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Everything government gets involved in it $#@!s up.
There is a marked difference between "arms" and "ordinance." And the second amendment specifically cites "arms." This term was meant to include all that which the militia of the time was required to bear. Knives, swords, rifles and pistols. As time has changed so have the weapons used by the standing military. I believe that individuals, who should be the rightful militia and defenders of this nation, should have the ability to affect the same weapons as a modern U.S. Army Fire Team. These are the weapons that would allow for the overthrow of tyranny or the suppression of riots and insurrection. This is what the founders had in mind.
Last edited by phill4paul; 10-05-2017 at 05:58 PM.
According to the Natural Law, which is codified in the Constitution by the 2nd & 9th Amendments of the Bill of Rights, individuals can own any firearms, including rocket launchers, and explosives, including nuclear bombs, BUT property owners can only lawfully own an explosive with a blast radius small enough to only destroy their own property. If you own a bomb that has a blast radius large enough destroy my property as well, then that device is a threat to my life, liberty and property. I (and your other neighbors) have a Right to disarm and neutralize that threat.
There’s your line.
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9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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No they are not legal without stamp.
There is a trigger available that shoots twice with every trigger pull that they have not attempted to ban yet though.
It has to do with how the gun functions (which is why the laws are absurd in the first place as it doesn't take long for someone to invent a way around their bull$#@! laws).
ETA: To wit, bump fire stocks.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
No professional shooter would need it as it's purpose does not serve their need and every soldier would like it as another tool in their shed. There are two specific purposes for fully automatic fire. It is used as suppression fire to allow team mates to advance on a target. Whether to use an explosive or to allow a more advantageous shot. It is used in the face of overwhelming numbers in the event of a riot.
They should not deny bump stocks anymore than the should regulate all full auto rifles.
Thanks! So that clarifies it. We are already beyond the government banning weapons that are typical infantry issue. And to answer @jllundqu, the case he was wondering about was the Heller case which upheld a ban on sawed off shotguns specifically because they are not what is a typical soldier uses.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
Proggressive Godfathers FDR/Truman didn't take issue with atomizing hundreds of thousands of civilians going about their lives in cities of 0 strategic value - and it still took an army of conventional weapons, some which FDR had supplied the Soviets, to bring down the government. AND they still couldn't stop the Japanese Army from resisting British, Dutch, and American re-colonization of Asia.
The Bomb is a madman's weapon - a weapon of State-sponsored mass murder - nothing a popular rebellion would have any strategic use for. Don't be a tool.
Personally I don't care too much about bump stocks either, but I do care about unilateral surrender on guns while getting nothing in return.
I won't "agree to disagree" with someone that stands against my rights.
You guys shouldn't either.
My rights are not open for a $#@!ing discussion and no... no I will not be interested in hearing your arguments or in compromise.
Just thought I'd drop this off in here... aimed at no one particular.
In the wake of the deadly Las Vegas shooting, three House Republicans have sent a letter to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) asking for the agency to reevaluate the legality of bump stocks or devices used to increase the discharge rate of a firearm. About a dozen of these devices were found in the hotel room of the Las Vegas shooter.
The letter, penned by Reps. Adam Kinzinger, R-Illinois, with co-leaders Mike Gallagher, R-Wisconsin, and Martha McSally, R-Arizona, said: "Now is not a time to politicize a tragedy or bring politics into our grieving, but it is a time to reflect on what has happened and how we can work constructively on what can be done to curb the impact of these evil, deranged attackers."
"The ATF must re-evaluate these devices, and it is my hope that they conclude these mechanisms violate the spirit, if not the letter, of the law. In the meantime, my colleagues and I will consider legislative options, because these fully-automatic simulator devices have no place in civil society," the letter added.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-g...ocks-legality/
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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No question we disagree.
SCOTUS decisions are not a valid point of reference. They are a political body, no doubt about it.
These are the same group of guys who said that slavery was legal under our constitution...
Civilians, the militia, should have access to all weapons, including nukes and heavy artillery.
Keep in mind, our military is run by civilians.
Theres no reason why similar protocols couldnt be put in place for the use of heavy weapons under the control of Constitutional state militias.
Its funny to me when people argue that somehow government is more responsible or trustworthy.
Historically, governments have been responsible for countless more deaths, destruction, wars, genocides and mass exterminations than any group of civilians or individuals.
Last edited by unknown; 10-06-2017 at 01:57 AM.
"An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.
"To learn who rules over you simply find out who you arent allowed to criticize."
The prime directive of the NRA is not to support the right to keep and bear arms. It is essentially a trade organization for gun manufacturers. They are its primary source of funding. When they support that right, they do so because it benefits their primary funders, and when they oppose that right, they do so because it benefits their primary funders.
In the present case, I'm sure that if we looked into the details we's see how that applied. Perhaps major gun manufacturers who sell fully automatic weapons that are heavily regulated, and that people can't buy without the requisite federal tax, don't like having to compete with little individual proprietorships set up in garages putting out cheap pieces of plastic that many consumers will buy rather than jumping through the hoops to get fully automatic weapons.
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