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  • Christian Liberty's Avatar
    Today, 04:33 PM
    To the former, being found means they were caught. To the latter, the phrasing refers to fornication in that passage. "seize" is not referring to rape. I don't support the police state.
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  • Christian Liberty's Avatar
    Today, 03:25 PM
    //God Himself is the ultimate authority. Right? I mean, if God came down and said, "You guys got it wrong; this is what I really meant," we'd immediately jump to it and say, "My bad!" We wouldn't try to explain to Him, "But we can clearly read in Romans chapter....." Would we? Or would we?// Galatians 1:8
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  • TER's Avatar
    Today, 01:07 PM
    Yes. That is why I was sure to write down that the Holy Scriputres are the ultimate written authority, and why I explained that it is the Holy Spirit which gives anything in creation authority, including the Scriptures and the Church. I agree. Thankfully, God established a Church in which the gates of hell would not overcome so that the wolves in sheep clothing and false prophets might be revealed when they teach things against what the saints before them taught and the holy matrys died confessing. If that is the way you understand religion, then I agree, it is similar.
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  • TER's Avatar
    Today, 11:33 AM
    The Holy Scriptures are the ultimate written authority. But the Holy Spirit, Who is God of God, gives it this authority, just as the Holy Spirit gave the first council in Jerusalem it's authority. The Scriptures can unfortunately be misinterpreted and mistranslated. In order to discern the correct interpretation and correct understanding, we must above all pray for the Holy Spirit to enlighten us, and then seek the Church, which St. Paul says, is the pillar and foundation for truth. This is what St. Paul did and what he and the Apostles taught. It is easy for us to individually misinterpret something (because our framework and knowledge and wisdom is limited to our own personal experience, and we are sinful and imperfect beings), that is why we must seek the community of the faithful and especially the pious and graced amongst them, and seek what their voices say, to learn what the consensus and voice of the Church is. This is what St. Paul did after his conversion. Although he was graced by the Holy Spirit and baptized and beheld the risen Lord, he still travelled to Jerusalem to consult with those who were the leaders of the faith, those who were before him, so that he would not preach in vain things he believed which were actually against the witness of the Church and the teaching of the saints. Though full of zeal and purpose, reborn a Christian true believer, and graced with the Holy Spirit from God on high, he still understood the importance of self-examination and humility and obedience to those before and above him. We may believe we are inspired by the Holy Spirit, but our own passions and desires can also cloud our thoughts and distance us from truth. The Spirit of God is the Spirit of Truth and not division. So, when we believe or interpret something which is different from what the voice of the Church proclaims and has proclaimed, we must be ever cautious lest we are preaching a new gospel and distancing ourselves further from the truth and that holy communion. There is no religion in Christianity. There is a way of life, which is as a member of the body of Christ, the Church, which is the communion of united believers around Christ Himself. Christ said He came to establish His Church, which is to be His Bride in the culmination of this age. We should then take seriously, as St. Paul did, and as all the holy men and women since the day of Pentecost did, to deny ourselves, humble ourselves, and in faith and trust, enter into this communion, united in mind, spirit, and flesh, as one body partaking in one divine and sacramental love which is the Holy Trinity. For this is the Kingdom of Heaven, as taught by the Saints, to be united with God.
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  • Christian Liberty's Avatar
    Today, 10:50 AM
    My disagreement with you is not on whether creeds, confessions, councils, church fathers, etc. are authorities in the Christian's life. Rather the difference is that I hodl that these things are subordinate (non-infallible) authorities while you hold them on par with scripture (unless I'm misunderstanding.) That's the difference.
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  • TER's Avatar
    Today, 09:26 AM
    Thank you! I guess the next questions is, what scriptures were they studying? As there was no official canon of Scripture for the Jews at that time, I would guess it included the Prophetical books, the Psalms, and the Wisdom books in addition to the Torah. St. Paul was a Pharisee (who were regarded as the most noble of the Jewish sects, notwithstanding that Christ reprimanded them about hypocrisy), and they held on to the dual authority of the Written Law (the Torah) and the Oral Law (the traditions and teachings and other revered texts from the fathers and holy men before them). Likewise, within the Christian Church, the Holy Bible is authoritative (the most, it can be argued) as are also the teachings of the Saints and Holy Traditions which followed the time period of the Scriptures and which the believers have held to be God-pleasing, God-inspired and beneficial to the faithful.
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:18 PM
    I think she comes back repentant and saves Winterfell.
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 08:07 PM
    I don't understand. Who are the Bereans and what did they check against what? The Church is full of sinners. Christ did not say that there would not be troubles or difficulties. In fact, He warned them it would be the case. That the forces of hell try to destroy the Church, that is a given. This group of men and women and children called the Church has had to endure through innumerable challenges and pressures and sinful people doing sinful things both within and without. What distinguishes Her, however, is that She is not overcome, as Christ promised. Look then and learn where such a Church exists, whose saints span every era, through the rise and fall of Empires and Kingdoms, through glory and subjugation, in basilicas and in chains, through every century going back, and then from them, learn the correct doctrines so that you too might be worthy to become a martyr for Christ.
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  • Christian Liberty's Avatar
    Yesterday, 07:59 PM
    The Council of Jerusalem is recorded as being correct, but the Bereans rightly checked even what the apostles said against the scriptures they have. Councils may err, have erred (see the "second council of nicea") and should be checked for error. That doesn't mean they are not subordinate authorities however.
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 07:51 PM
    The Holy Spirit is what intervened in the Council of Jerusalem (the first recorded synod). Likewise, He has continued to act within the life and experiences of the Church. Even after the last page of the Book of Acts.
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 07:46 PM
    The Scriptures are one long history of switches from not only institutional polity, but from Convenants! The acts of the Apostle's did not end on the last page of Acts. But even there, we find the forming of the ecclesiology of the Christian Church, that by the turn of the century, when Apostles still lived, the basic structure (which is still used in the Orhodox Church) is appearing. Namely, one Bishop per city. And because of this conciliar and synodical structure, the Church has remained united even from the first century, because the Head is Jesus Christ. Not hidden, or underground, but visibly and outwardly, whose real Saints shed real blood on the earth to witness to the faith of their fathers.
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  • Christian Liberty's Avatar
    Yesterday, 07:36 PM
    I don't believe either the scriptures or the Holy Spirit ever condoned that which is clearly documented as being a switch from the Biblical polity.
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    Yesterday, 06:59 PM
    Yes but it's also likely that it's not going to work out so well for the females, either. Do you really think Cersei is long for this world? The Dorne snakes are still useless. Yara has worked pretty hard to become leadership material, though I doubt her people will be happy to give up reaving and raping. If Jon's days are numbered, it's be the fault of Littlefinger and not Sansa, plus I'm not sure the story will resurrect Jon, have completed his backstory, then have Littlefinger poison him or something.
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:58 PM
    Exactly, which is why the Church developed into one Bishop over a geographical area. To prevent factionalism and to protect the deposit of the truth, as guardians of the truth, in the communion of the Saints, in the eschaton as the people of God, in the Kingdom of Heaven. The Church developed its synodical system by the grace of the Holy Spirit. This was the movement of the Holy Spirit, the work of God, working within the body. It was the people of God uniting in order and faith and confession, speaking against the current of this sinful age.
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  • Christian Liberty's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:46 PM
    Factionalism. Per Wiki: //St. Jerome (347–420) "In Epistle Titus", vol. iv, said, "Elder is identical with bishop; and before the urging of the devil gave rise to factionalism in religion, so much that it was being said among the people, 'I am of Paul, I of Apollos, I of Cephas', the churches were governed by a joint council of elders. After it was... decreed throughout the world that one chosen from among the presbyters should be placed over the others." This observation was also made by Chrysostom (349–407) in "Homilia i, in Phil. i, 1" and Theodoret (393–457) in "Interpret ad. Phil. iii", 445.//
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    Yesterday, 05:24 PM
    Interestingly, there were Bishops over cities by the end of the first century (especially in those missionary ones in far away lands and in the Roman Empire), though it is true that until that time there could be more than one bishop in a city. We do find, however, by the end of the second century, and going into the third and after, singular Christian Bishops over cities or one geographical area had become widely practiced. Why do you think that happened?
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 05:17 PM
    You can chose your sources, and I can chose mine! :) Let's go back to the second century saints as I think it will help shed light on what Christians mean by 'Apostolic succession' and the ecclesiastical structure of the growing Church in the first centuries.
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 05:12 PM
    Actually, St. Patrick was ordained by the Church in Rome which was part of the One Church at that time (there was a Pentarchy of Patriarchates, and Rome was one of them).
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 05:03 PM
    Please, name them. Would you like to discuss St. Ignatius? I think he says some things which contradicts what you have written above. Or St. Ireneaus? St. Cyril? Who is the model you look for to what the Church believed and practiced in the second and third centuries?
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 05:01 PM
    Erowe, can you name me a Christian of the second century? Also, we have discussed before the ancient writings, including the Holy Bible, which demonstrates that God's grace is active in ordination. Indeed, as Christians, we know it is the Holy Spirit which is transferred, which are explicitly said to happen in writings of the first centuries. Now, if you can name some the Christians who followed after the Apostle's, then we might be able to learn what Bishop and presbyters and deacon meant to mean to the Christian Church at that early time.
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 04:50 PM
    When Presbyterianism was created after the Reformation in the British Isles, there existed other ancient cities whose Bishops were from the One, Holy, Catholic Church as called by the First Ecumenical Council, and ordained in a direct line of succession from the Apostles, around a common faith and sacramental unity. These are the cities of Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria, Constantinople, Serbia, Georgia, Russia, Ukraine, Athens, Corinth, Thessalonica, Ephesus, etc etc etc (it was quite widely spread due to the missionary vigor and blood of the Saints.) Indeed, in the first millenium, it was this same Church which existed in the British Isles. These local churches claimed to be One Church, spanning nations and different empires, and shared one Holy Eucharist and could trace their sacramental unity back to the early Church via the mystery of holy ordination. I am simply saying that these Presbyterians you allude to were not in sacramental communion with this ancient Church NOT because of their form of presbyterial church governance, but because of their doctrines which the ancient Church professed to be heretical and impediments to sacramental and spiritual communion and unity.
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  • Christian Liberty's Avatar
    Yesterday, 04:38 PM
    I question the claim that Presbyterians lack apostolic succession. Certainly Presbyterian pastors have a line of ordination tracing back to the earliest Reformed churches, which would trace back through the older Catholic Church and ultimately through the apostles. This isn't something I'm an expert on, but Presbyterians don't just ordain people in their local church without the imput of the broader church like baptists and congregationalists sometimes do.
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 04:36 PM
    The Apostle's established a Church. Can you name me some members of this Church in the second century?
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 04:34 PM
    So when did they stopped ordaining priests and bishops?
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 04:33 PM
    I am not saying that the Presbyterian Church does not practice a Presbyterial form, I am stating that it lacks apostolic succession going back through the centuries to the early Church.
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  • Christian Liberty's Avatar
    Yesterday, 04:17 PM
    What is the basis for your claim that Presbyterians do not practice Presbyterial form?
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 04:14 PM
    The next sentence in Wiki says: "Presbyterian churches derive their name from the presbyterian form of church government, which is governed by representative assemblies of elders." This form of Church governance is indeed biblical and the Apostle's taught it. It was what we find in the early centuries centuries in the Bishops of the early great Christian cities and in the Holy Ecumenical Councils. This form has extended all the way down in apostolic succession in the Orthodox Church, and has not in the modern Presbyterian Church, which formed after the Reformation.
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  • Christian Liberty's Avatar
    Yesterday, 04:09 PM
    In its modern form it started after the Reformation yes, but it is Biblical and thus the apostles taught it :D
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  • TER's Avatar
    Yesterday, 04:04 PM
    Wiki is not infallible, but it says on the first sentence that "Presbyterianism is a part of the Reformed tradition within Protestantism which traces its origins to the British Isles". There is a long history before they started.
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    At least until every county or so willingly decided to submit to Christ, which I think will happen eventually because I'm a postmillennialist.
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