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    Gitmo should only be used for politicians who violate the Constitution

    Esp when the justice system absolutely refuses to even arrest and charge them for anything regardless of the evidence.

    It should never be used for private citizens under any circumstances. But if you violate the Constitution, you are committing a crime that harms every American. It is the most heinous of crimes and gitmo should fit the crime.



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    I dunno, enhanced questioning of any of our electable leaders would go against our way of life.

    Money matters in a $cracy system; for example, even UN's ICC wing has tried as 'war criminals' only leaders of poor African countries and never touched any SWCs funded by deep peckets of globalist neocons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dude58677 View Post
    Gitmo should only be used for politicians who violate the Constitution

    Esp when the justice system absolutely refuses to even arrest and charge them for anything regardless of the evidence.
    <*cognitive dissonance intensifies*>
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    <*cognitive dissonance intensifies*>
    What about using it as a deterrent? It would go like this:

    Hypothetical President: You are going to face serious consequences if you don’t stop these lockdowns/arrest politicians for common crimes.

    Corrupt politician: Hahaha, what are you going to do about it?

    Hypothetical President: How would you like to spend some time in Gitmo?

    Corrupt politician: Yea, like your generals will comply.

    Hypothetical President: Who said I would contact my generals? I’ll just order a unit to do it and they will do it with pleasure. They love me, they hate you.

    Corrupt politician: I’m going to continue with my lockdowns and my illegal server and there is nothing you can do about it.

    Hypothetical President: (picks up cell phone
    to give
    Order to military unit)

    Corrupt politician: Wait! Ok I’ll....

    Hypothetical President: Good choice!

    In federal district court-

    Judge:How do you plead?

    Corrupt politicians lawyer: Not guilty your honor.

    Judge: Bail is set at...trial starts on...court is adjourned

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    Quote Originally Posted by dude58677 View Post
    What about using it as a deterrent? It would go like this:

    Hypothetical President: You are going to face serious consequences if you don’t stop these lockdowns/arrest politicians for common crimes.

    Corrupt politician: Hahaha, what are you going to do about it?

    Hypothetical President: How would you like to spend some time in Gitmo?

    Corrupt politician: Yea, like your generals will comply.

    Hypothetical President: Who said I would contact my generals? I’ll just order a unit to do it and they will do it with pleasure. They love me, they hate you.

    Corrupt politician: I’m going to continue with my lockdowns and my illegal server and there is nothing you can do about it.

    Hypothetical President: (picks up cell phone
    to give
    Order to military unit)

    Corrupt politician: Wait! Ok I’ll....

    Hypothetical President: Good choice!

    In federal district court-

    Judge:How do you plead?

    Corrupt politicians lawyer: Not guilty your honor.

    Judge: Bail is set at...trial starts on...court is adjourned
    Still not seeing it. The system is not going to hold the system accountable.

    If, as you stated things earlier, "the justice system absolutely refuses to even arrest and charge them for anything regardless of the evidence," then by what means shall "Gitmo [...] be used for politicians who violate the Constitution" ... ?

    If "the justice system absolutely refuses to even arrest and charge them for anything regardless of the evidence," then how does the following ever happen?
    In federal district court-

    Judge:How do you plead?

    Corrupt politicians lawyer: Not guilty your honor.

    Judge: Bail is set at...trial starts on...court is adjourned

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Still not seeing it. The system is not going to hold the system accountable.

    If, as you stated things earlier, "the justice system absolutely refuses to even arrest and charge them for anything regardless of the evidence," then by what means shall "Gitmo [...] be used for politicians who violate the Constitution" ... ?

    If "the justice system absolutely refuses to even arrest and charge them for anything regardless of the evidence," then how does the following ever happen?
    They are terrified of going to gitmo themselves if they rubber stamp crimes by not having trials as what is done for anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dude58677 View Post
    They are terrified of going to gitmo themselves if they rubber stamp crimes by not having trials as what is done for anyone else.
    Terrified of whom? The system?

    The very same system that you say "absolutely refuses to even arrest and charge them for anything regardless of the evidence?"

    I rather think not.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Terrified of whom? The system?

    The very same system that you say "absolutely refuses to even arrest and charge them for anything regardless of the evidence?"

    I rather think not.
    You think a military soldier would defy the order to throw a corrupt politician to go to gitmo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dude58677 View Post
    You think a military soldier would defy the order to throw a corrupt politician to go to gitmo?
    Ordered by whom? The system?

    The very same system that you say "absolutely refuses to even arrest and charge them for anything regardless of the evidence?"

    Again, I rather think not.

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    That's an idea I think everybody can get behind. Or close Gitmo and give it back to the Cubans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Ordered by whom? The system?

    The very same system that you say "absolutely refuses to even arrest and charge them for anything regardless of the evidence?"

    Again, I rather think not.
    Ordered by the President as the Commander in Chief. You do realize that Gitmo is under the military jurisdiction and not the department of justice?
    Last edited by dude58677; 10-20-2020 at 09:44 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dude58677 View Post
    Ordered by the President as the Commander in Chief. You do realize that Gitmo is under the military jurisdiction and not the department of justice?
    Corrupt politician A orders military to jail corrupt politician B
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    Quote Originally Posted by dude58677 View Post
    Ordered by the President as the Commander in Chief. You do realize that Gitmo is under the military jurisdiction and not the department of justice?
    Ordered by the President to do what? Summarily toss people into black holes like Gitmo, just because POTUS says so?

    I don't know what you think about Trump, but do you seriously want a President Biden (or President Harris) to have that kind of power?

    Do you really imagine that is supposed to be some kind of improvement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Ordered by the President to do what? Summarily toss people into black holes like Gitmo, just because POTUS says so?

    I don't know what you think about Trump, but do you seriously want a President Biden (or President Harris) to have that kind of power?

    Do you really imagine that is supposed to be some kind of improvement?
    You’re right. It would start bad precedent. Do you have any other ideas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dude58677 View Post
    You’re right. It would start bad precedent.
    Not only would it be a bad precedent, but it would also be unconstitutional.

    Any POTUS who tried this would be violating the Constitution.

    Which means he would have to have himself thrown into Gitmo.

    Which, of course, no POTUS would actually do.

    So it wouldn't even work in theory, let alone in reality ...

    Quote Originally Posted by dude58677 View Post
    Do you have any other ideas?
    The system is too big, too bloated and too broken. It can't be fixed

    So just secede and let the separated parts start all over from scratch.

    Some of them might manage to come up with something better - or at least something not as broken.



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