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    02-19-2017, 08:17 AM
    :)
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    02-19-2017, 08:02 AM
    Do you agree that a woman who is accused of and convicted of adultry should be stoned to death? That's a yes or no answer.
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    02-19-2017, 07:56 AM
    End of the day, only worthy men will be free men. And that means something. Far too deep for a thread like this.
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    02-19-2017, 07:50 AM
    I'm right there with you, brother. Have to spread some rep around but I'll get ya. I finally realized that we get a lot of people who like to call themselves libertarian yet act completely opposite. And I make the mistake of calling them anarchists when they're actually globalists. The "Global Citizen" folks. Of course, thats just one thing. I don't really mind true anarchists who have actually thought things through a little bit and understand the pros with the cons of it. I can relate to them. But it's the Global Citizen types that like to blend in and purposefully confuse libertarianism from the perspective of the traditional American philosophy with their globalist philosophy. As if a foreign citizen can just come here as they please and enjoy all of the protected rights that our nation was founded by and that my ancestors spilled their guts for. I really want to call them out by name but I'll pass this morning. But anyway. Yeah. That's where I'm at, too.
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    02-13-2017, 04:38 PM
    Well, it's a good thing I don't care about your feelings, now isn't it, princess. The next time you quote me, quote me completely. It's common gaddamn courtesy. Because when you completely remove the tenor and references in my posting in order to pick out one or two words for the purpose of creating your own separate debate , you're making it personal. I've read your posts for a long time. As I'd said, if you want to have that separate debate, then start a thread. Here it is again...ask your questions in a manner that is relative to what I said.
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    02-13-2017, 04:31 PM
    The people are the government, dumbass.
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    02-13-2017, 01:32 PM
    This is something that I see you say to people quite a bit. I don't generally like to say you're this or you're that or you this or you that. But do you know what? I'm going to make an exception with you just because I see you do it so much. It's you who lacks a grasp on history and our Constitutional Republic. Observably. You're another one of the anarchists around here who really makes the place stink. People like you are why the doers don't come here anymore. People like you are what is wrong. People like you are really nothing but a turnoff to people who have an appreciation for the validity of our founding documents and who would come here to try to learn things. Someone like you who 1 - rejects them, and 2 - has a very minimal and shallow grasp of that which you speak of, really have no business trying to "educate" on the topic. I really do wish that Bryan would thin some of you peckerheads out of here. You, like some others, are not worth your weight. You're a detriment to the cause of Individual Liberty and small government as a matter of functional activism. This isn't an anarchy board. It isn't an anti-government board. What you're doing, and what others like you are doing, is blatantly getting in the way of functional activism. As far as your thought about LE, she's done far, far, far more around here for the cause of Individual Liberty than you ever have. I guarantee it. I suspect that your keyboard is likely as far as you've went to pop off your anarchist, Anti-America, spew. We've lost a lot of good people around here. People who were doers. And do you know why? I'll tell you why. Because they don't want to be represented by or associated with antagonistic pricks like you. People liek you who actually reject our documents and form of government and who think they know far more than they actually do and who get in the way of what we're actually trying to do.
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    02-13-2017, 01:27 PM
    No, scooter. What you're quoting are the words of Senator Jacob Howard, the author of the citizenship clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Which I placed into relevant context here with the thread. My tolerance with the antagonistic, anarchist, trolls around here like you isn't what it used to be. So I'm going to give you fair warning should you choose to proceed with that kind of thing. My willingness to be nice is thinning out with some of you who really don't belong here and should be in an anarchist/anti-government board some place.
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    02-13-2017, 12:42 PM
    Regarding ChristianAnarchist's thought here with regard to allegiance to our creator, I do agrree with that. But I think that it needs to be explained in the correct perspective. I'll offer a very good explanation of this underlying principle of the traditional American philosophy as it relates to a proper Man-to-Governemnt/Man-to-Man relationship. Which I've offered previously around the forum but I'll offer it again for sake of courtesy. Principle 1 of The Twelve Basic American Principles which I've taken from a remarkable book on the topic. The American Ideal of 1776 By Hamilton Abert Long, 1976... A Principle of the Traditional American Philosophy 1. The Spiritual is Supreme...
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    02-13-2017, 12:29 PM
    Here's what I said.... Please don't remove the tenor of my postings in order to spin my words. Now. If you'd like to discuss the concept the sovereignty of the American citizen, then please do start thread. I'll be happy to discuss it with you if you think I have some kind of shortcoming on the subject. I surely do like to learn, otherone. It's oen of my favorite things to do.
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    02-13-2017, 12:25 PM
    Sure. Myself, as well. Do you understand the fundamental philosophy that Man uses government to be his tools? Because it seems like you're separating Man from Government. Certainly the brotherhood of men under the common Fatherhood of God is the underlying foundation for moral code that stimulates proper man-to-man relations, and subsequemtly defines proper government-to-Man relations. Would you not agree with that? Or are you completely ant-government as opposed to simply less government?
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    02-13-2017, 07:27 AM
    Yep. And it's on paper, too. Which I've just shown. Still, though, an immigrant can't just waltz into our country and claim jurisdiction when they owe allegiance to a foreign nation. And we get back to the duty of the individual States there.
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    02-13-2017, 07:18 AM
    Well, does section V of the 14th make it clear that Congress has the power to define jurisdiction of the United States of America? I think so. They've used this power before. The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 would be an example of the use of that power. Additionally, the Civil Rights Act of 1866 defined citizens of the United States as all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed. That said, and some will certainly disagree, that means that every person born here is subject to individual State jurisdiction. That said, a person cannot just claim jurisdiction because they choose to walk into our country. That's further compounded by the fact that the immigrant owes allegiance to his or her own country. Of course, many will also disagree with the allegiance part, too, but these folks are typically opposed to our founding documents and the very philosophy of our traditional form of government anyway. I didn't even read presence's post yet. I've just read the title at this point.
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    02-12-2017, 01:21 PM
    Suz is ghetto as a mofo, though. Respectfully. lol. But you nice lady, too, Suz.
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    02-12-2017, 01:19 PM
    Ya know, every single one of the selfies you've used have a kind of in your face "oh yeah, mothertrucker, whatchu gonna say about it!!??" look on your face. lol. But, you're a very sweet lady...
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    02-12-2017, 02:15 AM
    If I were sweet, I'd totaly try to get in them pants. Bandits are so sexay.
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    02-08-2017, 10:06 PM
    Bombogenesis: Could Winter Storm Niko Become a Weather 'Bomb'? From the weather channel... Plus long lines to buy emergency milk sandwiches....
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    02-05-2017, 06:27 PM
    Are you two, talking about me? Of all people on this board, why do you want to tinker with me? Hm? Why? I'm minding my own business. Heck, I haven't even been around here much lately. I'll tell you something, though, if you two peckerheads want to make a claim like that, then you're gonna have to back it up. I might be a lot of things, but a troll, I am not. I assure you both of that. I likely get more done in a 30 minute lunch meeting that you two drones get done in an entire year.
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    02-03-2017, 06:53 PM
    My friend, you're way too far out of your league to be making the statements you just made. I think you're just too prideful in your ignorance to know that you are. And, observably, you're equally as aggressive in misinterpreting our documents and history in order to gather support for your cause of anarchy. Here - Learn, dummy. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?493927-The-American-Ideal-of-1776-The-Twelve-Basic-American-Principles&p=6197351&viewfull=1#post6197351 I should neg your silly ass for being purposefully dishonest about history and the tenor of our founding documents. But I think you truly have no idea what you're talking about. I don't think you're very well read. And if you are, then you're more likely reading the wrong books. Probably th ones which make you feel good about your own anarchist worldview. Which makes you dangerous to those who read your pablum and don't know any better about what you're actually promoting from behind the shroud of Individual Liberty. End of the day, Americans are equal, not only by their creator, but in sight of the law. But that's you're problem isn't it? The latter. Want to be a cowboy, do ya? :)
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    02-02-2017, 07:17 PM
    As an after-thought, it's my view that most of the comments here are likely from people who actually reject the very notion of the constitution and the traditional American philosophy of governance as a whole. Put up a poll and I'll guarantee it. I've been around here long enough to know. It's truly amazing how many different factions we have gathering under the liberty banner, though. In many cases, some are actually working against it. But you'd never know it to hear them tell it. Any casual passers-by who may happen across this thread, my advice is to be very careful who you listen to. Some people will have you thinking you're working in favor of the cause of Individual Liberty when you're actually working to forward anarchy/socialism/ or about a half-dozen other isms. And they won't ever tell you otherwise. They'll just turn you loose to spread their bullsht. It's one of the main reasons I don't like people who merely identify as libertarian. Read what they type for five minutes and you'll sure as sht see otherwise if you know what it is that you're actually looking at and understand what they're truly arguing against. The original text of the Constitution clearly says We The People. The Constitution is a document FOR the United States. Not Of. This distinction is very, very important to recognize as the tail tries to wag the dog. And what we are seeing more and more these days, mainly in places like this when the anarchsts start popping off, is people argue against the constitution in a way that projects the notion that the document was written OF the United States of America while completely ignoring (likely they don't even know) that It was written FOR We The People of the United States of America. Nobody else.
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    02-02-2017, 06:59 PM
    Well, let me ask you something since you know so much. Does a person who is not an citizen of this country possess the right to come here and be left alone by our government (of, by, and for the people) to pursue his happiness? Whatever it may be. We don't always know, of course. Maybe he gets off on blowing 5 year olds up at school, talking about Allahu Akbar or something sweet like that because, you know, he feels it's his God-given moral responsibility, duty, and natural right. If so, then how? Additionally, and given that American citizens delegate their government with Just Powers in order to protect their Individual rights, how would your foreign citizen excercise his right to prohibit American government from bothering him once he is here? While I've read the moral case for unalienable rights, there also exists a responsibility or duty for every right that American citizens (again, whom delegate their government's just powers) have. Which, when broken down, means simply Right-Duty, Feedom-Responsibility, and ultimately this equates to Liberty-Responsibility as an inseparable whole. Share with us your wisdom. Thank You, PierzStyx.
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    01-30-2017, 05:27 AM
    Libertarian means to be against government-over-man. Freedom from Government-over-Man. It doesn't mean anything else except for that.
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    01-25-2017, 04:18 PM
    Well, surely there must be creator. I'm not debating that.
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    01-25-2017, 04:09 PM
    Well, that was some really cool stuff. It's really fun suff, too. I'm not saying the man isn't intelligent. He certainly is.And he's surely done more with his degree than I have. We're at a point where we either have to move forward and think beyond traditional math and logic in terms of the way energy works or we have to settle for just knowing that there are things we simply aren't wired to know. My gripe is that I don't want to see legitimate questions about things that we can actually understand and benefit from being rejected simply because we're content to settle for half the equation if it suits our worldview. That's all I'm saying. Actually, a bit offtopic, but not exactly off topic, I was reminded of this when Trump was talking about developing new technologies and promoting modern scientific thinking. I was reminded of the shortcomings of maintream science and math. Anyway. I guess I did go off the rocker a bit there. Sorry. Probably my main problem was because theo just dropped it in a thread like a hand grenade.
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    01-25-2017, 03:42 PM
    That was an excellent presentation, TER. There were some marvelous things being shown in it. The problem that I have with it is that he has to know fully well that what is going on there was a consequence of things beyond the the fabric of the third dimension. But he completely avoided telling us that. What he did was he continued to try to explain the unified field without moving beyond his three dimensional formula. And I know why he did it. You start getting into the field of matter, energy and consciousness beyond the fabric of the third dimension and he has to rethink his formula. As I said, you can't actually see those fields. So his math just isn't compatible. It's easy to just say God did it. That's okay. I can agree with that. I'm not arguing against that. It just really annoys me. I've said before, I've sat on a couple of STEM boards. Physics is just my thing. And I've known a few christians who also shared seats. I have great respect for them and I don't really have any problems with them. None. In fact, I've learned from them. Heck, you're a doctor. Surely you've been met with similar instances. It's the religious activism of it that causes problems. Theo likely doesn't know jack squat nothin about the more profound things we were looking at in the presentation. But he just posted it in a projectory way because he wants to promote his faith from a scientific perspective. I get it. And most people would never even be able to see what it was they were looking at there in order to actually compare it to what he was saying.
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    01-25-2017, 03:21 PM
    This right here is precisely why we need to keep religion out of the classrooms. Particularly the science classroom. It's perfectly fine to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. But screwing around with scientific observation in order to mislead people about what's really going on with what they're seeing is a crock.
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    01-25-2017, 03:06 PM
    Bullsht. The unified field behaves like a fluid. Which I briefly explained. When matter is vibrated, it forms geometry. These particles you cannot measure with his "formula". You can't measure what you can't see. You can't. And it's disingenuous for the guy to try to pawn it off like you can by changing the termsof controversy into what he wants them to be just to sell his faith. He completely ignored that aspect of it. You're dealing with harmonics here. Your doctor completely avoided having to address what was really going on there. I hate people like that. Some of the mst dishonest people I know call themselves christians. And that guy's a prime example. It's annoying. It's really no wonder we're all the way at the bottom of the list of developed countries in the education department.
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    01-24-2017, 05:09 PM
    If there was nothing, then where did He self-exist?
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