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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    Today, 02:01 AM
    Yes, I know what polls are used for. This is the same exact poll as the one in the op from Utah Rep. Mia Love's campaign, right?
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    Yesterday, 10:58 PM
    Very good. I'm glad that we agree. That's what I call a REAL Liberty Perspective. :)
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    Yesterday, 10:35 PM
    Well. Hm. Okay. Let's straighten sht out so everyone is on the same page, then. Good idea, P3ter_Griffin. Here is my position... A true Liberty candidate holds a position that an Individual or a group of Individuals should be free to make rules for themselves provided that the rules that an Individual or a group of Individuals make for themselves do not prevent other Individuals or other groups of Individuals from equally doing the same. Does everyone here agree with that? Yeah or naw?
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    Yesterday, 10:23 PM
    He's likely the most principled. Most here would agree with that. I find it difficult to accept that you don't know anything about him, though, Danke. Respectfully.
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    Yesterday, 09:58 PM
    Factual tidbit of the day here, kiddies.
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    Yesterday, 09:51 PM
    Heh. That's an internal poll from Utah Rep. Mia Love's campaign, RJ. We've been doing this for a long time, my man. We know a thing or 973 about poll methodology. Please provide for us another poll that supports this one because I'm challenging its legitimacy. Thank You, RJ. :)
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    Yesterday, 08:25 PM
    What is a Trumpet, Ender?
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    Yesterday, 07:07 PM
    Seems like the Trump supporters are the folks who are largely on the receiving end of the name calling, Ender. Granted, a lot of the Trump supporters aren't very good representatives for their candidate.
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    Yesterday, 05:55 PM
    Dang, that's purty, Carlybee. It looks really refreshing.
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    Yesterday, 04:13 PM
    I did the same thing. You aren't technically divorced, though, until the state has the final say with papers and such. That is if you ever intend to remarry under the authority of the state. Personally, if I ever get married again, it won't be one of those state licensed marriages.
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    Yesterday, 03:53 PM
    I suspect that it comes from either a misunderstanding of what the true foundation for moral code actually is, particularly given Krug's misguided assessment of its correlation between Man and government previously, or never knowing what the true foundation for moral code is at all. I suppose that this misunderstanding of what the foundation for moral code actually is, is likely the driver for trends like projecting leadership whose position is that it is an acceptable Man-to-Government relation to force a feller to relinquish his property to another feller at the direction of the barrel of a government gun in the name of Liberty itself and stuff like that.
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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    Yesterday, 03:27 PM
    No. Your assessment of the moral correlation between Man and governmental philosophy is patantly false. To your credit, though, it is simply a misguided assessment. Respectfully. The fundamentally religious basis of America's traditional governmental philosophy is the foundation of its moral code. Let us review how and why. The second paragraph of the United States Declaration of Independence starts as follows... Again...all men are created...endowed by their Creator
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    07-22-2016, 09:34 PM
    Heh. You don't say. Gary Johnson's admitted position is a rejection of Individual Liberty's most fundamental principle. His position is one that, because it rejects Individual Liberty's most fundamental principle, patently rejects the concept of Individual Liberty fully. Below average, indeed. I'm pretty sure that one can't get any more below average as a spokesman for liberty than that if one tried. To reject Individual Liberty's most fundamental principle, one might as well come out as a Communist. Because that's really what one would be. Communists hate the concept of private property and equally reject the idea of any right to it. And putting a government gun to a fellers head to force him to relinquish his property to someone else is just their solution. Sounds rather similar to Gary Johnson's point of view to me. Anyway. I don't think I belong here anymore. I don't even want to be here anymore. Communist ideology, observably, is the new libertarianism around here. Y'all are freakin nuts.
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    07-22-2016, 08:56 PM
    No. What has become a disturbing trend on RPF and also in our country is that people are so misguided that they will not equate government force of "gay nazi cake" transactions to its realistic meaning. Which is, precisely, the act of forcing an Individual or a group of Individuals to relinquish their property to another Individual or another group of Individuals at the barrel of a government gun. This is a rejection of the most fundamental principle of Individual Liberty itself. To openly reject Individual Liberty's most fundamental principle is to wilfully reject and relinquish Individual Liberty fully.
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    07-22-2016, 08:52 PM
    Not under the banner of Liberty, they won't. Nor have they. Your boy, on the other hand, has made it his precise contention.
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    07-22-2016, 08:32 PM
    Trump and Clinton didn't say that they wanted to put me at the end of the barrel of a government gun and take my stuff in the name of Liberty. That's the difference.
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    07-22-2016, 08:20 PM
    Again...nikcers...
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    07-22-2016, 07:50 PM
    Respectfully...nikcers, I don't think that "selling cake", as you say, means what you think it means. I'll tell you what I think it means in precise language. I, nikcers, think that forcing an Individual or a group of Individuals to relinquish their cake to another Individual or another group of Individuals at the barrel of a government gun means the exact same thing as forcing an Individual or a group of Individuals to relinquish their property to another Individual or to another group of Individuals at the barrel of a government gun. Let us, then, review the principle of property. Just so that we're clear. Umkay? Ready? Lets go... ". . . are entitled to life, liberty and property . . ." (Declaration of Rights by First Continental Congress, 1774)
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    07-22-2016, 07:47 PM
    I wouldn't call it denial. But I agree with your thought here otherwise. As you may know, lily, pride is an ignorant sin. Some friends are so led to count their names that they've lose vision of what leaving the more relevant mark was all about. As it is, some friends, by remaining content only that their names be counted, would lead us to the end of a barrel of a government gun. As I'd mentioned elsewhere here today, never in my wildest dream did I ever consider that Individual Liberty's ultimate survival would be threatened by a dagger that is inscribed with its very name. What a crazy, crazy, upside-down, world we live in.
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    07-22-2016, 07:23 PM
    You still didn't answer my question. I thought you were Mr. oh, hey, lets advance libertarianism. Fukin fraud. By supporting someone whose position is patently contrary to Individual Liberty's most fundamental principle...again...a position of forcing an Individual or a group of Individuals to relinquish their property to another Individual or to another group of Individuals at the barrel of a government gun, and in the name of Liberty, no less, you're promoting and acting in advancement of Individual Liberty's very destruction. Forcing an Individual or a group of Individuals to relinquish their property to another Individual or to another group of Individuals at the barrel of a government guns is not, in any way, a "minor issue." It is an issue of the most critical nature. It is the most important issue that we face. And, unfortunately, it is an issue that is increasingly, and by your own demonstration, becoming one that we face from within our very ranks. I don't think libertarianism means what you think it means. In fact, I'm sure of it.
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    07-22-2016, 07:07 PM
    No it isn't. He was popping his mouth off about the advancement of libertarianism specifically. Again... r3volution 3.0, by his own mouth, is presenting a case for the advancement of libertarianism. As such; mine is the only relevant question. And given that r3volution 3.0 seems to be interested in the "advancement of libertarianism" I asked him a precise and relevant question that is germane to, not only it's discussionm, but its very survival. Which was....again....
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    07-22-2016, 06:45 PM
    First of all, you had your rear end handed to you in that thread. So, that's the last thread I'd be linking if I were you. Again...my question. What does forcing an Individual or a group of Individuals to relinquish their property to another Individual or to another group of Individuals at the barrel of a government gun do to advance libertarianism, r3volution 3.0? Pease tell us precisely how the action advances libertarianism. You're popping your mouth off about the advancement of libertarianism. Are you not? I'm asking you, respectfully, what violating Individual Liberty's most fundamental principle does for the advancement of libertarianism. It's a very simple and precise question. Please answer it. I don't want to read any more pablum from you except the answer to that question.
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    07-22-2016, 06:34 PM
    Let's have it again. Because it is apparent to me that it is you didn't get it the forst time and I think that it is you who may be incapable of understanding what it means to advance libertarianism. So, again...What does forcing an Individual or group of Individuals to relinquish their property to another Individual or group of Individuals at the barrel of a government gun do to advance libertarianism, r3volution 3.0? Tell us. Tell us precisely how the action advances libertarianism.
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    07-22-2016, 06:28 PM
    What does forcing an Individual or group of Individuals to relinquish their property to another Individual or group of Individuals at the barrel of a government gun do to advance libertarianism, r3volution 3.0. Hm? Please tell us the extent of doing that in the name of advancing Liberty. Thank You.
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    07-22-2016, 05:18 PM
    The results of this poll really do speak for the gradual erosion of virtue within our movement; consequently, the movement itself. The erosion of respect for/adherence to the principles that establish the site's professed mission is a trend that is becoming particularly observable. Here, on a platform that historically prides itself on promoting the principles of Individual Liberty as its primary mission statement, we have a man winning a poll for the leadership of our nation, who openly and admittedly, would force an Individual or group of Individuals to relinquish their property to another Individual or group of Individuals at the barrel of a government gun. And he makes his position known in the name of Liberty, itself, no less. This is the most fundamental principal of Individual Liberty, people. To relinquish that primary fundamental principle is effectively relinquishing and rejecting the concept of Individual Liberty itself. Granted, I get that most people who actively participate in coercion understand very little of its function and subsequently demonstrate no regard for its consequence. But such action is not, in my view, acceptable on a platform where promoting the principles of Individual Liberty itself is understood to be its primary mission. It just isn't. Anyway. I really do hope that some of you reserve some time to consider and evaluate the scope and magnitude of your choice. And it is a choice. Make no mistake about that.
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    07-21-2016, 07:22 PM
    Yep. Agreed. Certainly Individuals or groups of Individuals are free to make rules for themselves provided their rules don't prohibit other Individuals or groups of Individuals from equally doing the same. It really is that simple. That's the fundamental principle of Individual Liberty. But how quickly some forget.
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