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    Today, 01:00 PM
    Yep. That's my position on it. Blowback is certainly a bitch. But I sure as heck didn't consent to the aggressive invitation of it either.
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    Today, 12:48 PM
    Well, I don't want to put up a wall whether it be physical or virtual. That'll just serve to keep me inside a police state. I'm of the view that people should be free to move freely. In fact, I don't even consent to the idea that I have to have a passport.
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    Today, 12:32 PM
    Agreed. Nor do they unless they become citizens. Which is why I'd mentioned what I did about accustomed rights earlier in post # 28 when multi-culturalism came up. Still, though, Natural Law is, in my view, universal. Morally, if the Mexican guy wants to make a deal with the American guy and they both agree on it, it shouldn't morally be anyone's business. And like Bryan said, what if, for instance, erowe1 owned property on the border? Goes back to property rights. Technically he should be able to be his own border agent. I suppose I'm contradicting myself here so I suppose it just depends on what one views as the higher authority or one's moral duty. God or government.
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    Today, 12:25 PM
    You have some hit and miss in here. I think the misses come from maybe some confusion. First thing is to recognize that America is really the only true Republic on the planet. Its form of governance is religious in nature given that its principles and framing documents are premised upon a foundation for moral code that is, itself, God's Law. Or, as erowe1 mentioned, Natural Law. This affectively establishes proper Man-toMan relations and subsequently proper Man-to-Government relations in the United States of America.
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    Today, 12:20 PM
    Point of clarfication... A Democracy The chief characteristic and distinguishing feature of a Democracy is: Rule by Omnipotent Majority. In a Democracy, The Individual, and any group of Individuals composing any Minority, have no protection against the unlimited power of The Majority. It is a case of Majority-over-Man. This is true whether it be a Direct Democracy, or a Representative Democracy. A Republic
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    Today, 12:17 PM
    Well, yeah, I agree with you to that extent. Eh. Maybe I'll leave it alone for now. I see you brought up Natural Law. Which is why I inserted the ethical perspective. Natural Law is certainly a fundamental Law. One that should be understood to be universal. And logistically not limited to the American philosophy of governance.
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    Today, 11:56 AM
    Hm. Okay. So, then, private-profit motive presupposes the existence of an ethical environment? Is that what you're saying? I actually agree with that. But the reason I ask is because we're dealing with another human being here whom you cannot transfer your own rights for his benefit. One who, btw, is not a citizen and does not possess rights under the American philosophy of governance to represent himself as government. We The People and whatnot, I mean. Do you see where I'm going with this, e?
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    Today, 11:42 AM
    ...Which the Declaration of Independence Makes Express The Constitution was designed to translate into enduring, governmental reality the ideals, goals and principles of the Declaration of Independence. This is made clear by the inspiring words of the Constitution's Preamble. It provides the connection between these two documents--the chief link being the word "Liberty" in both--with regard especially to the expressly stated religious considerations underlying the traditional American philosophy as defined in the Declaration, notably the concept of God-given, unalienable rights. Belief in God as the Creator of Man and the giver of his unalienable rights--unalienable because God-given--is the basis of this philosophy; which is an indivisible whole and must be accepted, or rejected, as such. The Constitution's primary role, or function, was intended to be the safeguarding of these rights of every Individual--partly through so limiting the power of the Federal government that it could never interfere with the religious life and practices of the people of the separate States (the people in each State being in complete control of pertinent policy for themselves), always involving implicitly recognition of belief in God as the only basis of the unalienable character of these rights. The traditional American philosophy's first and fundamental principle is that "The Spiritual Is Supreme," that Man is of Divine origin and his spiritual, or religious, nature is of supreme value and importance compared with things material. This principle was the basis of the assertion in the Declaration of Independence that ". . . all men are created . . . endowed by their Creator . . ." This philosophy teaches that belief in God is the fundamental link which unites the adherents of all religions in a spiritual brotherhood under the common fatherhood of God; and it allows for no differentiation between them as to this unifying conviction. This applies not only to those who adhere to some one of the organized religions but also to The Individual holding a strictly personal, but genuinely religious, belief--however unorthodox or strange it may seem to others. Belief in God is the common denominator here; but no element of required, religious conformity is involved.
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    Today, 11:23 AM
    This has always seemed like such a deceptive and meaningless buzzword to me. I understand its meaning. But it's always thrown around so deceptively. I think its dishonest to do that. I'm not insinuating that you're doing that. I'm just expressing my distaste for the fact that it's generally done that way.
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    Today, 11:03 AM
    Well. That's certainly the right philosophy. One that I've repeated many times here of late. He'd do well to straighten his position out to reflect ihis words here fully, though. This is the difference between talking about it and being about it. Will see how it goes, I suppose. He has some critical patching up to do.
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    Today, 10:39 AM
    Hillary is likely toast anyway. Likely looking at a Trump presidency. Is what it is.
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    Today, 10:33 AM
    Heh. Well. Thank You. I just happen to be in muh prime, though. :)
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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    Today, 10:19 AM
    Heh. Ought to be interesting around here after November, too. :)
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    Today, 10:03 AM
    Heh. Choo choooooooo. We're going off the rails on a crazy train.
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    Today, 10:02 AM
    Heh. You're still hanging around with him? I haven't really heard much from him in the last couple of years.
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    Today, 08:34 AM
    Well. I don't know. I'd likely tend to want to fundamentally destroy any credibility of Johnson's bogus legitimacy as a true Liberty candidate out in the wild of the www. Although, in doing so, I could make an honest and practical case for the true fundamental principles of Individual Liberty itself in a cordial way. I view Johnson as more of a cultural Marxist than a defender of Liberty given that he openly rejects its most fundamental principal/principle and the foundation for moral code in Liberty. And I think it is counterintuitive to promote him under the banner of Liberty. To do so, I think, projects the wrong notion of what the true fundamental principles and their moral foundation actually are and mean. This is, I think, reckless. I think it is extremely short-sighted. And I see this eagerness to project him as such to be nothing more than the product of Party Politics. A social media expansion of the two-party system functioning as one to a single Party functioning as three. Particularly because it projects the notion that policy defines and guides Individual Liberty. This is patently false and couterintuitive to project. Especially given that the man's policy positions on matters where Individual Liberty itself is at stake patently reject Individual Liberty's most fundamental principles. So, then, I'd tend to use someone like Johnson and the wilful eagerness of others to agree with my rejection of him for the purpose of stimulating practical discussion on what Individual Liberty actually is in its most fundamental way. Historically, this has been fruitful for me around the web and has led to many stimulating and educational discussions with liberals and people of other varying political persuasions in a civil manner. End of the day, it isn't how one plays the game. It's how one gets played by the game itself. As it relates to this particular discussion anyway :) Which reminds me. I should likely take an extended break from here and spread out elsewhere on the web for a while rather than being "contained" here on RPF. Perhaps I'll do that. Liberal/Progressive circles are fruitful this time of year. Plus I gots charisma on my side. Heh. I just don't know if I want to sign up on a gaming/poker platform or not, though. I don't particularly like them. I'm already signed up on so many other forums anyway.
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    Today, 07:59 AM
    Well. We get into the terms of accustomed rights there. That's deep. Heh. Admittedly, too deep for me unless limited to traditional philosophies for governance in a particular place. Which is why I framed it that way initially. Have you ever heard the quote, "The Revolution is not over" This notion supports the idea that evolution guides revolution by way of its function from within it. Multi-culturalism presents a quirk in that, though. Because, then, we get back to "accustomed" rights there. And, as I'd mentioned, their varying terms of controversy. Which is why its relevance was considered there in the latter half of my initial question to the op.
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    Today, 07:44 AM
    This is likely the only thing I really worry about. The Supreme Court. Still, though, they're functioning administratively anyway. You know? I mean, the've totally been operating outside of the parameters of our system of checks and balances for some time. And congress isn't doing smack crap anything about it.
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    Today, 07:37 AM
    Made simpler - Man's Freedom = Freedom from Government-over-Man...Individual Liberty = Liberty against Government-over-Man. Very good, grasshoppa.
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    Today, 07:02 AM
    Good morning, Ron Paul in 2008. How are you? Okay. So, Bryan chimed in here. And he went straight to the nuts and bolts of your question while adding a schematic of sort to put everything together. That also opens an opportunity for extended dialogue once thoughtful consideration is provided to both parts of his model there. And likely healthy, practical, dialogue, too. I'm going to set that aside given that I've already considered those terms. If nobody else touches on his thoughts there, then, I will. Because there are some really good points made there that may stimulate much needed discussion which remains absent of late. Anyway. With that in mind, it should be understood to be true that some people do not accept that there exists a set of fundamental principles that are uniquely American and support a primary governmental philosophy. The traditional American philosophy of governance is a set of principles that are the product of a fundamental foundation for moral code. Nothing more. Nothing less. So I'll offer some words from the Declaration of Independence for the moment to support that. Per the original of 1776... Again, there are some who reject the sincerity of these words in their function as fundamental American principles which serve to define America's traditional philosophy of governance. This is true. In fact, we see the view here often. And elsewhere, too. The framers were wise to consider that this would happen. In support of that foresight, I'll offer some thoughts from John Adams on the possibility of any future rejection of the legitimacy of these principles/philosophy given the era of their initial consideration. It is true that we read and hear often that our founding documents are "outdated." That they are not legitimate. This is patently false.
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    Today, 12:48 AM
    Are you asking your question as it relates to the primary moral foundation for the fundamental principles of Liberty that establish the traditional American philosophy of governance or are you asking your question based on some other traditional philosophy that is not the traditional American philosophy of governance? Think that through before you answer, though. I don't want to provide my thought on your question until I know that you understand mine. The former is the more relative to what we do here. And the latter contradicts the former 100% of the time by default given that we are the only true Republic in the world per our specific framing. Actually, I'm getting ready to get off of here, though. I'll check back on you tomorrow. I didn't realize what time it was.
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    Yesterday, 11:55 PM
    What we have here, it seems, with all of this hey, "my definition of Libertarianism is different than your definition of Libertarianism and because my definition of Libertarianism happens to be mine, then, it surely must be the correct and proper definition of Libertarianism because I say so and I don't care what you think" drama is a simple failure to wilfully recognize what Liberty is prior to debating who is the more Libertarian. So, let's define Liberty. Can we do that? We should likely consider doing that first. Here is how I think Liberty is defined. And I'm certainly open for any corrections. Ready? Lets go....Liberty defined: Individuals and groups of Individuals should be free to make rules for themselves provided that the rules that they make for themselves do not prohibit other Individuals or other groups of Individuals from equallty doing the same. It's pretty simple. Does that sound right? If so, then, whomever holds a policy or position that is consistent with that definition fully is most likely the true Libertarian. Policy does not define Liberty. Nor can it. Nor should it. Principles define Liberty. Truthfully, I'd likely never trust a growing handful of friends here with any real responsibility when it comes to adult activism in Liberty where adult activism in Liberty may be needed. Some friends lack the correct temperament. And some friends aren't very responsible representatives of their cause.
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    Yesterday, 11:35 PM
    Hey, Happy Birthday, man. I missed this thread.
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    Yesterday, 11:20 PM
    What did S_F get banned for this time anyway? I was wondering about him. I had asked once before and nobody told me. It must be a permaban because he's been gone for quite a while. S_F was good at understanding the geo-political impact of religious goings-on around the world. He could discuss them without inserting some kind of bias that completlely twisted and dismissed the more relevant terms of controversy of said goings-on like we see a lot.
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  • Natural Citizen's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:13 PM
    Good question. Never really thought about it.
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    Yesterday, 10:06 PM
    Ah. I see. I do have a bit of a fascination with the South American Structures and surrounding areas. I like to read about anything about them whenever something is newsworthy is all. I'll have to look it up.
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