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    Today, 08:33 AM
    No douchery to see here. No buggery. Move along, prole.
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    Today, 08:31 AM
    HI, rising on the list of "black" states.
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    Today, 07:27 AM
    There is no "greater" threat. That would imply there is a "lesser". You either side with tyranny or with liberty. Trump and Clinton both fall into the former category. It's a crap shoot as to which one would be more "successful" in implementing their form of tyranny. (I think why you don't see as much Hillary "hysterics" is because there's no one in these forums endorsing her. That mistake seems to be reserved for the Trump backers.)
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    Today, 07:09 AM
    Understand this: Hillary's faults should not be an endorsement of Trump. Conversely, Trump's faults should not be construed as an endorsement of Hillary. If you make either one of those mistakes, then you are part of the problem.
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    Yesterday, 07:20 PM
    Works for me. Time for globalism to die quietly and without fanfare or ceremony.
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  • CaptUSA's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:24 PM
    Complete 180 on this issue. So if you backed it before, your thoughts now?! Go ahead. Rationalize it in your head.
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  • erowe1's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:05 PM
    To be fair, so does Ron Paul.
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  • erowe1's Avatar
    Yesterday, 05:52 PM
    You're lucky. "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Brian4Liberty again." You just lied. I don't claim to speak for Ron Paul, ever, much less constantly. I do make statements about what he himself has said he believes (don't you?). And as I said, this site has a mission that is explicitly written out. I have as much right to talk about that as you do. And, as you're proving, you have no hesitation in speaking for this site. It looks like you're just trying to gloss over the fact that, whereas I am in general agreement with Ron Paul and this site's mission, including when it comes to immigration and trade, you aren't (again, you yourself, just like Ron Paul and the official published mission of this site, have put your views on this out there). Is the reason you love the Trump trolls so much because you agree with them on those issues?
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  • erowe1's Avatar
    Yesterday, 05:19 PM
    But do you choose them based on their value in resolving the historical question we're asking, or based on their support for the position you want to support? Because when it comes to the beliefs Patrick of Ireland, what sources trump the writings of Patrick of Ireland?
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  • erowe1's Avatar
    Yesterday, 05:15 PM
    Actually, no, he wasn't. And we have his own writings to consult on that matter.
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    Yesterday, 05:14 PM
    You say "name them" as if you would expect me to name all of them. Yes, Ignatius, Irenaeus, and Cyril were professing Christians. The true model for churches isn't from the second century, but from the first. And historically speaking there is no one single model of second-century Christian churches. Christianity at that time was very diverse, and its churches fit many different models, some conforming more closely to the tradition of the apostles than others. I should also say that I don't think the apostles set forth a very strict single model of church organization that all churches must follow. Their dictates left room for variation. But we do know that they didn't ordain any bishops over whole cities. Their own writings show this. And when Ignatius wrote his letters in the early second century, we can see from them that the monarchical bishop model he favored was apparently a relatively new thing that was not very widely accepted, and he had his work cut out for him helping to establish it. It's clear from his tendentiousness that alongside those believers that recognized the city-wide authority of the bishops he endorsed were many others who did not. Incidentally, in his arguing for the special position to be held by the monarchical bishops in Asia Minor that he endorsed, he never once pretended that this model went back to the apostles. Nor did he appeal to apostolic succession for the bishops whom he endorsed, nor did he claim it for himself.
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  • erowe1's Avatar
    Yesterday, 05:08 PM
    This is a great example. It was Patrick of Ireland who brought Christianity there, and he ordained elders. But he himself didn't have apostolic succession. His calling to that ministry came (at least as he understood it) directly from Jesus through a spiritual encounter. Contemporary with him, Pope Celestine sent Palladius as an ordained bishop to Ireland, and he found a population that was already Christian, complete with elders, who opposed him and did not want to come under his leadership. Irish Christianity developed from the ministry of Patrick, not Palladius, and it took centuries for Rome to get control over it.
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  • erowe1's Avatar
    Yesterday, 04:59 PM
    I can't look into their hearts and say who had genuine saving faith, thus belonging to the universal invisible Church that the apostles established. But sure, I can name some people who outwardly aligned themselves with the visible Church. Whether any given one of these people were genuine members of the Church is something only God knows, and I leave it to him to say.
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  • erowe1's Avatar
    Yesterday, 04:57 PM
    Never. That still happens. Understand, though, that according to the apostolic model what you are calling priests and bishops are just two names for one office. Those words come from transliteration of presbyteros and episkopos. But if we translated them instead of transliterating them, they just mean elder and overseer. Another word that the apostles used for that same office was poimenos, which means shepherd or pastor. I don't know of any churches that don't have these offices in some form.
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    Yesterday, 04:54 PM
    In the only sense that any apostolic succession can actually reliably be asserted, all Christians have it. Everyone alive today who believes the Gospel learned it from someone who learned it from someone who learned it from someone, eventually going back to the apostles. On the other hand, in the sense you mean, that the there is an unbroken chain of bishops ordained by bishops ordained by bishops, going back to bishops who were ordained by the apostles, the problem is not that such a thing doesn't exist. It probably does. And I see no reason to deny that it really does apply to many elders in today's Presbyterian churches. The problem is, it can never be demonstrated. Nobody can ever say that any given bishop has this succession or doesn't. There do not exist reliable lists of these chains of ordination going all the way back to the apostles. Those who claim to have such lists always end up relying on unreliable lists comprised no earlier than the mid-second century, by church historians like Hegesippus, who (provided they weren't being outright dishonest) mistakenly assumed that the models of church leadership of earlier generations had to be the same as what they experienced in their own days, which we can prove not to be the case. Even in the apostles' own age, churches were starting up all over the world, faster than the apostles and elder/bishops ordained by them could keep up with. The apostles had no requirement that these elder/bishops had to have been ordained by apostles or by a chain of elder/bishops going back to the apostles, in order to be legitimate or to go on to ordain other elder/bishops themselves.
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    Yesterday, 04:28 PM
    Your first sentence is true. Your second is false. In the age of the apostles, "bishop" and "elder" were just two different words for the same thing. There was no such thing as a bishop of a city. The fact that such things are part of the essence of Eastern Orthodoxy is additional proof that the apostolic Church was not the same thing as it. And the apostles didn't give these bishop/elders the authority to get together in a small group of just a few hundred and claim that their group was a "Holy Ecumenical Council." In truth, there has never been an ecumenical council comprised of anyone other than the apostles themselves (the only Christian leaders ever to have authority over the whole universal Church), only local councils, with some being bigger than others.
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  • erowe1's Avatar
    Yesterday, 04:25 PM
    It never went anywhere. It's still here. It's comprised of everyone with saving faith in Jesus Christ, regardless what denominational organization they may belong to. Those denominations (of which Eastern Orthodoxy is just one) are many and come and go. But there is just one Church.
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    Yesterday, 04:18 PM
    How's that working out for you? Has turning this site into a hive of Trump trolls improved the discourse and made it more intellectually functional?
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    Yesterday, 04:12 PM
    In addition to the guidelines is a mission statement. And among the guidelines you neglected to mention are some requiring no supporting of agendas counter to our mission and no supporting of mission-supporting activism efforts. Also, note that even in the part you copied and pasting about the use of the word troll, it is presented in a context of replying to arguments. You can't say, "Here are the problems with your line of thinking," when there is no line of thinking but just pure trolling. And who do you think you are anyway, telling me I can't speak for this forum but you can?
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    Yesterday, 04:04 PM
    Wow. When did the troll part get added to that? What's the point of having this website if we can't even criticize people for trolling? As I see it, if people don't want to be called trolls, they shouldn't troll.
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    Yesterday, 03:44 PM
    That's not what I was hearing. I kept hearing about how the polls showed Brexit could win but they had to be wrong for one reason or another. But nope, they were right after all.
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    Yesterday, 02:58 PM
    Like many historical things, it was a development that didn't have just one single starting point. There were a series of watershed moments that can be debated as to which were more or less significant. If I have to pick a single event, I would pick either the Qunisext Council in the late 7th century or the Second Council of Nicaea in the 8th century. In the former case, its significance is that it's when the Pentarchy, which is a defining feature of Eastern Orthodox as it has come to be defined since then (parallel to the Pope for Roman Catholics), came about. In the latter case, I would say that, since it's the most recent council that Eastern Orthodox consider to be ecumenical, and so agreement with it must be a sine qua non of Eastern Orthodoxy, and of course it could not have been a sine qua non of Christianity before that time since it hadn't happened yet, and (as we can easily demonstrate) many earlier fathers, even among those who are revered as saints in Eastern Orthodoxy, wouldn't have accepted its dogmas. Another way I might approach it would be to go back to when a more unified organization out of which both Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy developed and went their separate ways. Looked at this way I would probably pick the tenure of Pope Gregory the Great around AD 600, since he, more than anyone else, moved the papacy toward the pretense of authority over the universal church that is such a defining feature of Roman Catholicism.
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    Yesterday, 02:04 PM
    Let's start with a more basic question. Why aren't there a bazillion Jesus followers, period? One reason is that bazillion is not a number. I'm not sure, but I think it might be a kind of wax or something. Ladies, did I get that right?
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    Yesterday, 02:01 PM
    I realize that that's the standard propaganda you learn from EO apologists. But there's no historical basis for it that would be recognizable to any objective observer. In order for you to say that, you have to either redefine Eastern Orthodoxy so as to allow it to include churches that fail to exhibit features that today's Eastern Orthodox claim are essential to that denomination, or else you have to make believe things about history that just aren't true.
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    Yesterday, 01:52 PM
    Yes. I already have refuted it. In truth, Jews only made up about 5% of all of the above groups. You already proved my point. You never studied this critically. You just copied and pasted what you got from a racist source, and when you finally did provide your source after repeatedly avoiding it, you proved I was right about it.
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    Yesterday, 01:50 PM
    You say you are honest about enforcing the guidelines. But you're really only honest about enforcing your make believe version of them. The published guidelines include nothing about calling trolls trolls. Conspicuously, you don't deny that they are trolls. Nobody should have to go tattling to mods every time some troll trolls here. We who stand for what this site claims to stand for (it remains to be seen if it really still does) should be allowed to take matters into our own hands by humiliating and mocking trolls until they run away with their tails between their legs, just like has always been done here. If you want to have guidelines that say we can't do that any more, then stick your neck out and change the guidelines. As you can tell, I and many others here virulently disagree with you on this. So does the history of this site. So do the published site guidelines.
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    Yesterday, 11:58 AM
    How will the federal government grow if the population it rules over has zero people in it?
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    Yesterday, 11:57 AM
    First of all, that's a redundant question. The 7th day sabbath is the only sabbath. There is no other one. The very passage you just quoted says that as clearly as can be. And I am saying Christians are not bound to it.
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