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  • Bryan's Avatar
    05-23-2016, 12:40 PM
    Some good points have been made but there is too much bickering to keep this open given the low value of this issue.
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    05-23-2016, 10:11 AM
    They are mostly all just news stories, some mean more to some than others. The media always had articles that are problematic. Members can choose to repond to media issues or not. I understand there are some collectivist issues, we've had them here since 2007. They should be logically called out as collectivist. We're open ideas for a better site protocol.
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  • Bryan's Avatar
    05-23-2016, 09:56 AM
    No, of couse not. The argument is how a candidate expresses views on violence, how they step up to condone issues and the like. Didn't Rand's campaign issue a denunciation of this act? This is very different than Trumps statement about paying for legal fees. Making such statements to a large crowd of people you don't know is problematic at best. Still, I don't see this as some major issue.
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  • Bryan's Avatar
    05-23-2016, 09:40 AM
    I understand, I was giving the OP the benefit of the doubt that his follow up was part of his main point. It should have been more clear however. Again, there is an argument against that based on the candidates. Smearing all Trump supporters because of this is illogical, I agree.
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    05-23-2016, 09:10 AM
    The argument being presented is that Trump has in some way encouraged violence and not spoken out against it. That Rand situation was very different. While I agree the OP could have stated a stronger case up front I don't think the argument is anywhere near hypocritical. While blame for bad behavior falls on those who engage in it, good leadership sets the expectations. Perhaps Trump has some area for improvement here.
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  • Bryan's Avatar
    05-23-2016, 08:59 AM
    Gary Johnson has shown he is far from perfect, but I'm not sure what he has to do with this thread.
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  • Bryan's Avatar
    05-23-2016, 08:46 AM
    Lets keep things civil, no need to make this personal. Also, I understand that not all site members are going to exhibit posts that are in line with the site Mission 100% of the time but it's a logical fallacy to assign a problem across the entire site, as in "this site has sunk". I see such statements as collectivist. Thanks.
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  • Bryan's Avatar
    05-19-2016, 08:40 PM
    1. No one complained. 2. This isn't about supporting Trump; OP's history doesn't seem to reflect that even. 3. Complaining will help get your way if you are on the right side of the Community Guidelines, otherwise complaints don't matter. Thanks. Now, back on topic..
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    05-19-2016, 08:13 PM
    Thread cleaned up and reopened, please keep the discussion on-topic. This isn't a pro-con on Trump and AtlantaIconoclast made it clear he isn't pro-Trump so don't paint him as such. Thanks.
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  • Bryan's Avatar
    05-18-2016, 02:22 PM
    Closing. Go read the community guidelines and learn how to treat people with respect. Thanks.
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    05-16-2016, 05:22 PM
    I've been talking about this with some people. The leading thought is that they want the long lines to increase sign-ups for the PreCheck program. Long term, you'll be a second class citizen if you don't sign up. To sign up for PreCheck you have to be fingerprinted, pay an $85 fee and provide other documentation.
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  • Bryan's Avatar
    05-16-2016, 01:32 PM
    This has been seen as a major lost opportunity, we had peoples attention and did not capitalize on it. This is something that has to be structurally fixed. It's part of what need to be done and part of what I am calling the Liberty Blueprint: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?494373-A-new-site-vision-a-new-era
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  • Bryan's Avatar
    05-16-2016, 12:50 PM
    The policy of this issue was resolved with the Trump Evaluation.
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  • Bryan's Avatar
    05-16-2016, 12:46 PM
    Thanks for clarifying. From my view there is a big different between viewing people as being part of some group vs. viewing people in a group in a negative manner. There is nothing negative about saying that people who signed up for this website are a part of the "site community", it's a label to convey a concept in a simpler manner and allows us to communicate better. However, if someone says "all people who signed up for the website are dumb." then they are making a sweeping generalization with some arbitrary negative attribute. Such sweeping and negative generalizations are problematic in multiple ways and have no intellectually foundation.
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  • Bryan's Avatar
    05-16-2016, 12:40 PM
    . Please keep the discussion civil and on topic. This thread isn't about any candidate or their political views. Thanks.
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    05-15-2016, 12:40 PM
    From what I can see, I agree. Not the OP's fault, they just used the same headline but for now the title has changed.
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  • Bryan's Avatar
    05-15-2016, 12:35 PM
    Right, so I think part of the lesson is to work to position yourself and wait for the right conditions to leverage. There wasn't anything great or magical that the LP just did. When you consider it, Ron Paul did the same thing, he positioned himself for 20 years and then things just went crazy with the right conditions.
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    05-15-2016, 12:32 PM
    Yes, the question is why was there that energy? From my view, people were energized with the Ron Paul campaigns, seeing Ron on the debates, getting caught up with new friends in meet-ups, seeing the possibility of real change. IMO, right now, we lack a beacon (a game changer in the presidential race), and we lack the opportunity for immediate change. There is no urgency, so other things take a priority. This is seen all over. How many Ron Paul meet-ups started in 2007/2008 are still going? IMO, forums can provide the fuel for someone to go the distance to change. People can be there to answer the every question about their changing world view; but forums don't make good beacons on their own. That was my original point. Ron Paul was the beacon for LLS, we helped provide the fuel. So my statement of "forums aren't the best vehicles to convert people, it's a series of well done writing and/or videos, tailored on the persons learning style, world view and more. " - should also include a spokesman with the right bully pulpit. Perhaps history has shown such leaders are actually the most effective, but as we lack one, where do we turn?
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    05-15-2016, 12:18 PM
    I'm not following your point, could you explain? Thanks.
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    05-15-2016, 12:15 PM
    Can you please cite for me amply cases of where Trump is being promoted such that this is a safe zone? Just as important, have these posts been reported and not acted upon? The accusations are against the guidelines, they should be reported. 2) Treat others with respect. Do not make accusations, declarations on others' character, question their motives, be judgmental, assign them to a group or make any other negative personal commentary of members. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/content.php?1989
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    05-15-2016, 11:50 AM
    Some people are voting for him, but in no case is he bring promoted in any non-micro way beyond being talked about, there are no "Vote for Trump", "Donate to Trump" threads. There is value in what is allowed as it educates Trump supporters on the problems of what his campaign is about. We don't shy away from reality. The referenced poll is just on voting, it doesn't have anything to do with promoting. Sanders supporters are certainly welcome here just like anyone else. They just must follow the guidelines which includes not promoting agendas that counter our Mission, which would include the Sanders campaign. That doesn't mean that they can't talk about the things the like about Sanders, just like Trump, this is useful dialog that leads to education. I concur this is a bit of a problem. I am open to suggestions on solutions.
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    05-15-2016, 11:21 AM
    Xenophobic viewpoints are the antithesis of our values, if you see any such posts report them. That said, certainly not all Trump supporters are xenophobic. Community Values As a community: * We value a plethora of viewpoints. All are welcomed except those based on negativity in collectivist mindsets that view humans as members of groups rather than as individuals. Sexism, racism and anti-semitism are the antithesis of our values. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/content.php?1989
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    05-15-2016, 10:40 AM
    When I first saw the name Bydlak I immediately wondered about a connection to Jonathon Bydlak, and of course there is. I remember Rebekah from some past Ron Paul campaigns, didn't she use to do youtubes? I am very encouraged to see young liberty supporters stepping up to run for office! This is great news and even better when they have a solid foundation to build upon. From what I've seen, Rebekah has a lot of potential. That said, I am likewise concerned on attempts to jump too high too soon. Winning and keeping a congressional seat is not something that comes easy, so for liberty activists efforts to be fruitful the candidate has to have a lot going for them. Without knowing all the fundamentals in this case, I would agree with Matt to a point, the situation is not stacked well. Getting more information on these fundamentals however can help provide better focus. Some key questions for me... - What has she done to build up her local base? Has see been involved in a lot of grassroots groups? Building contacts?
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    05-15-2016, 10:29 AM
    If you see someone violating the guidelines then please flag it. As most should know, promoting Trump is not allowed, that doesn't mean we can't cover the election new cycle and do some analysis on it. Otherwise, I have not seen what you claim, Trump is topping the news so people are going to talk about him. Some micro-promotions are removed or locked, some get by, I don't see it causing a big problem. Site traffic has always reflected the presidential race. It is not "way down" from where we were 3 years ago but is down from when Rand was still in the race. From what I've seen the LP registration jumped when Cruz dropped from the race, this is more of an anti-Trump effect then people discovering liberty. In general, I think Brandon is correct, it's not just us here, and it's not just Ron Paul people. Much of the '09 Glenn Beck / tea party crowds are gone too. If the LP is doing something golden to make registration go way up, what is it? Was it a new marketing campaign? Are people bring brought in by the candidates? I'd be interested to hear you analysis. Thanks.
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    05-14-2016, 12:16 PM
    Everyone go read the Community Guidelines: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/content.php?1989 What happened here isn't it (20+ posts deleted)
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    05-13-2016, 10:40 PM
    Off topic posts deleted.
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