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    FEC chair questions legitimacy of Trump's election, Electoral College

    The chairwoman of the Federal Election Commission has raised new concerns about the legitimacy of elections like that of President Trump, who lost the popular vote but won an Electoral College victory.
    Ellen Weintraub, who has stepped up criticism of Trump’s claims of voter fraud, said she is worried that Americans will lose faith in elections where the Electoral College and not the popular vote rules.
    Appearing on MSNBC, she said that when she explains the U.S. system to foreign observers, they appear confused. Weintraub said she explains that typically a presidential candidate wins both the Electoral and popular vote “and everyone’s happy.”


    But she said that in some recent elections that hasn’t been the case, though she did not name Trump’s 2016 election or that of former President George W. Bush in 2000.
    “More recently that hasn’t been happening all the time,” she said on All In with Chris Hayes. “And I worry, that just like these other, where people from other countries were confused about it, that people in our own country will come to feel that the result is not legitimate.”
    Thanks, @chrislhayes, for inviting me on to talk about faith in democracy, the myth of voter fraud, and the crisis at the ⁦@FEC⁩ (just don’t call us “undermanned”). @allinwithchris @MSNBC https://t.co/vIiRGYsNU2
    — Ellen L Weintraub (@EllenLWeintraub) August 31, 2019


    Hayes added, “Or just.”
    His website wrote of her appearance, "FEC Chair expresses concern that the Electoral College is undermining Americans' confidence in U.S. elections."
    The system was devised by the nation's Founders to block states with huge populations from discounting those with smaller populations. Also in the 1880s, two presidents won the Electoral vote but not the popular vote.
    Weintraub heads a newly defanged FEC that has become so politically divided that few enforcement actions have been agreed to. On Friday the vice chair of the agency resigned, leaving the FEC without a quorum to vote.
    FEC chair Ellen Weintraub says Pres. Trump's baseless claims of election fraud undermine people's faith in the system.
    "The end result is that it becomes harder to vote and more citizens end up disenfranchised...[Our democracy] will be stronger if we can get more people to vote." pic.twitter.com/ZvnEvPz24H
    — Anderson Cooper 360° (@AC360) August 20, 2019


    All of the three sitting members are operating on expired terms, the longest being Weintraub.

    More at: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/w...ctoral-college

    It sounds to me like it is the FEC that is illegitimate.
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    Misleading headline. She does not say she thinks the election was illegitimate but that some may think that when the same person does not win both the electoral college and the popular vote. She is critical of his claims of voter fraud saying there was no evidence of that.

    Appearing on MSNBC, she said that when she explains the U.S. system to foreign observers, they appear confused. Weintraub said she explains that typically a presidential candidate wins both the Electoral and popular vote “and everyone’s happy.

    But she said that in some recent elections that hasn’t been the case, though she did not name Trump’s 2016 election or that of former President George W. Bush in 2000.

    “More recently that hasn’t been happening all the time,” she said on All In with Chris Hayes. “And I worry, that just like these other, where people from other countries were confused about it, that people in our own country will come to feel that the result is not legitimate.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 09-02-2019 at 08:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Misleading headline. She does not say she thinks the election was illegitimate but that some may think that when the same person does not win both the electoral college and the popular vote. She is critical of his claims of voter fraud saying there was no evidence of that.





    Everybody knows she is trying to claim that the system is illegitimate and should be changed.

    She is illegitimate and needs to be tossed out on her ear.
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    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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    Do all of the folks who advocate abolishing the Electoral College also wish to change the number of Senators per state?

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaconda View Post
    Do all of the folks who advocate abolishing the Electoral College also wish to change the number of Senators per state?
    They'll get around to that.
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Misleading headline. She does not say she thinks the election was illegitimate but that some may think that when the same person does not win both the electoral college and the popular vote. She is critical of his claims of voter fraud saying there was no evidence of that.
    “Some may think that...” Lol. It’s inferred.

    And it's oh so important that if foreigners don’t understand all of the intricacies of a constitutional republic we should change it so that it is easier for them to understand and accept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    “Some may think that...” Lol. It’s inferred.

    And it's oh so important that if foreigners don’t understand all of the intricacies of a constitutional republic we should change it so that it is easier for them to understand and accept.
    Absolutely, it's the cosmopolitan thing to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Misleading headline. She does not say she thinks the election was illegitimate but that some may think that when the same person does not win both the electoral college and the popular vote. She is critical of his claims of voter fraud saying there was no evidence of that.



    Just think of it as a dog whistle, for socialists.
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