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    Mitt Romney Comes Out in Support of Homosexual Boy Scout Leaders, Members

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    Mitt Romney Comes Out in Support of Homosexual Boy Scout Leaders, Members


    A spokesperson for Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney has advised that the former Massachusetts governor disagrees with the Boy Scout’s current policy prohibiting open homosexuals from serving as members and leaders.

    According to The Associated Press, Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul told the news outlet in an email that Romney still stands by his beliefs that homosexual men should be able to serve in the organization. She specifically noted that Romney had outlined his views in 1994 during a political debate, and that his stance has not changed.

    “I support the right of the Boy Scouts of America to decide what it wants to do on that issue,” Romney stated during the debate. “I feel that all people should be able to participate in the Boy Scouts regardless of their sexual orientation.”

    As previously reported, last month, the Boy Scouts of America issued a statement reaffirming its policy prohibiting open homosexuals from joining the organization.

    “The committee’s work and conclusion is that this policy reflects the beliefs and perspectives of the BSA’s members, thereby allowing Scouting to remain focused on its mission and the work it is doing to serve more youth,” the statement said. “The review included forthright and candid conversation and extensive research and evaluations — both from within Scouting and from outside of the organization.”

    The decision to reiterate and reaffirm the Scout’s current policy followed two years of deliberations from an eleven-member committee comprised of Boy Scout executives and other volunteers who represented “a diversity of perspectives and opinions.”

    When all was said and done, the committee concluded that the restriction served as “the best policy” for the Boy Scouts.

    The current policy reads, “While the BSA does not proactively inquire about the sexual orientation of employees, volunteers, or members, we do not grant membership to individuals who are open or avowed homosexuals or who engage in behavior that would become a distraction to the mission of the BSA.”

    Mitt Romney also recently reiterated his support for homosexual adoption. This past May, in an interview with Neil Cavuto of Fox News, he explained that while he is against the concept of homosexual “marriage,” he does believe that homosexual couples should be able to adopt children.

    “[I]f two people of the same gender want to live together, want to have a loving relationship, or even to adopt a child, in my state, individuals of the same sex were able to adopt children. In my view, that’s something that people have a right to do,” Romney outlined. “But, to call that ‘marriage’ is something that in my view is a departure from the real meaning of that word.”

    He had first outlined his position on the matter in 1996 while talking to CNN’s Wolf Blitzer.

    “Well, they are able to adopt children,” he said. “I’m not going to change that.”

    Prior to Saul serving as Romney’s press secretary, Richard Grenell, an open homosexual, filled the position.

    http://christiannews.net/mitt-romney...aders-members/
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    Christians are acting like it is the end of the world because Obama came out in support of gay marriage and now their alternative thinks gays should be able to penetrate a private group made up of mostly BOYS. This is unreal. Now is the time to tell them Ron Paul does not think the boy scouts should have to accept gays in their ranks. If this is more important to many Christians than war, then we should use this issue to our advantage to get them to seriously consider Ron Paul.

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    THANK YOU RICKY! This means Ron Paul would be identified as a christian crusader. Which, will suck, but get us tons of stupid votes.

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    Boy Scouts need to stop getting government support. Then they'll have the right to discriminate.
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    mad now
    Last edited by jkr; 08-09-2012 at 08:54 AM.

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    so guys who like boys should be in charge of little boys?

    fliPPermint strikes again!

    maybe jerry sandusky should be a scout leader...
    and dont you DARE smoke cannabis
    anything goes but that
    $#@! you wiLLard
    $#@! this "reality"

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    So once again, Obama and Romney take pretty much the same position, and they're both GAY. Never a surprise. lol
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    Well, they have the Boy Scouts, the Girl Scouts, now perhaps they need to have something known as the Gay Scouts and the Les Scouts. Of course the last two of those wouldn't have to be associated with the first two. The first two are about God and country and mostly Christian organizations.

    Let's see.... we have the YMCA and the YWCA. Of course the last two letters of those organizations are "Christian Association". Thus if they want a Gay association, they will have to remove those last two letters and replace them with something else.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitt Romney
    I support the right of the Boy Scouts of America to decide what it wants to do on that issue
    Not sure what the issue is here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feeding the Abscess View Post
    Not sure what the issue is here.
    Perhaps it's the second part of that quote.
    “I feel that all people should be able to participate in the Boy Scouts regardless of their sexual orientation.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkr View Post
    so guys who like boys should be in charge of little boys?
    Did you read a different article about pedophilia in the boy scouts? Because this article is about men who are attracted to men, not men who are attracted to boys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkr View Post
    so guys who like boys should be in charge of little boys?"
    Not one in the same, and not what he is saying. The vast majority of homosexuals are not pedophiles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brandon View Post
    Did you read a different article about pedophilia in the boy scouts? Because this article is about men who are attracted to men, not men who are attracted to boys.
    Indeed. Following jkr's logic no men should be able to coach girls soccer. with that said, I really don't have a problem with the BSA choosing their own internal rules.

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    you cannot pretend this doesnt happen

    i understand the distinction being made here, but is anyone here aware that their have been "homosexual" pedophiles like JERRY SANDUSKY being put into a position of power over little boys ( and or girls)?
    with all due respect, spare me the "vast majority" nonsense.

    Statistics and numbers are used justify all manner of sick human behavior from who to feed, let breed, and die. additionally there is NO WAY to reliably produce data to support your claims-only personal experience, which-while valid- is too small of a sample set.



    and Rmoney is promoting them going camping in the woods?
    getting $#@!ing real!

    i am not interested in a witch hunt.
    $#@! who you want, i dont care anymore, JUST STAY AWAY FROM PERVING LITTLE KIDS OUT and we will be fine!


    $#@! ROMNEY

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    btw

    this HAPPENED TO A RELATIVE OF MINE

    IT WAS INDEFENSIBLE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feeding the Abscess View Post
    Not sure what the issue is here.
    same. he proceeded to just give his opinion, which was not a policy.



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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Indeed. Following jkr's logic no men should be able to coach girls soccer. with that said, I really don't have a problem with the BSA choosing their own internal rules.
    agreed
    men should NOT take other peoples little girls camping...oh wait, you said soccer...nice strawman

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkr View Post
    so guys who like boys should be in charge of little boys?

    fliPPermint strikes again!

    maybe jerry sandusky should be a scout leader...
    and dont you DARE smoke cannabis
    anything goes but that
    $#@! you wiLLard
    $#@! this "reality"
    meh, the rules should be against child predators. If the leaders FOLLOW the 'anti child predator' rules in the actual guidelines for leaders, this wouldn't be an issue. for one thing no child not the child of the adult is EVER to be in a sleeping tent with an adult without their parent. Leaders are supposed to bring EXTRA tents for themselves so if they have to put kids in a tent because of a tent emergency of some sort, THEY can sleep somewhere else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jkr View Post
    agreed
    men should NOT take other peoples little girls camping...oh wait, you said soccer...nice strawman
    I don't think you understand the term strawman. Unless of course it is just the camping activity you have a problem with? So you are fine with gay BSA leaders as long as they aren't allowed to go on the camping trips? which IIRC, is not the majority of BSA activities.

    edit: and fwiw, I would probably not have my son join a troop with an openly gay troop leader, but the pedophilia argument would not be the foundation of my reasoning for that decision.
    Last edited by specsaregood; 08-09-2012 at 10:09 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkr View Post
    btw

    this HAPPENED TO A RELATIVE OF MINE

    IT WAS INDEFENSIBLE!
    I don't remotely suggest it isn't a problem. It is a problem wherever children are put into the charge of an adult.

    However, I agree the BSA has a right to make its own rules.

    I know one large troop in the L.A. area, however, that every year sends a memo to national reconfirming that they are never going to follow that rule, that it is against their faith and conviction, but that they will strictly enforce all of the anti child predator rules (as most troops really don't bother to do.) Obviously, they also send the memo to membership of the troop every year so it isn't like the parents don't know the rules.

    It is the largest troop in the L.A. area, or one of them, which may be why the BSA doesn't make an issue of it.
    Last edited by sailingaway; 08-09-2012 at 10:04 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruno View Post
    Not one in the same, and not what he is saying. The vast majority of homosexuals are not pedophiles.
    You don't have to look far (try catholic churches) to find instances where gay leaders have taken advantage of the kids they are exposed to.

    That doesn't mean gay = pedofile. But it's enough to convince me that I will not let a gay man lead my child.

    I'm pretty sure this is more about discrimination than pedophilia. To that end I am pro discrimination by private parties. Boy scouts should have ultimate control over who is allowed to lead, especially due to the fact there are kids involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asurfaholic View Post
    You don't have to look far (try catholic churches) to find instances where gay leaders have taken advantage of the kids they are exposed to.

    That doesn't mean gay = pedofile. But it's enough to convince me that I will not let a gay man lead my child.

    I'm pretty sure this is more about discrimination than pedophilia. To that end I am pro discrimination by private parties. Boy scouts should have ultimate control over who is allowed to lead, especially due to the fact there are kids involved.

    Of course they should have a right to make their own rules. I don't think anyone HERE is questioning that. I was just suggesting there might be better ways to handle this situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Perhaps it's the second part of that quote.
    So, he thinks the boy scouts should be allowed to do what they want, but that they shouldn't be bigots?

    What's so bad about that? If this is actually what Mitt believes, it's probably the least idiotic thing he's said during this campaign.

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    So, he thinks the boy scouts should be allowed to do what they want, but that they shouldn't be bigots?

    What's so bad about that? If this is actually what Mitt believes, it's probably the least idiotic thing he's said during this campaign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingNothing View Post
    So, he thinks the boy scouts should be allowed to do what they want, but that they shouldn't be bigots?

    What's so bad about that? If this is actually what Mitt believes, it's probably the least idiotic thing he's said during this campaign.
    Bigots eh? This issue is much like the Obama contraception mandate. It's not about being a bigot, but rather, keeping to the Christian standards of the organization. The scriptures don't condone homosexuality and thus organizations who try to follow the scriptures would be going against their religious beliefs to condone it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkr View Post
    btw

    this HAPPENED TO A RELATIVE OF MINE

    IT WAS INDEFENSIBLE!
    I have known dozens of victims in my travels. Many never got over it and became street whores and drug addicts. Kill a child's innocence with sexual abuse and they feel like nobody cares for them or can protect them. . I don't like it and I know what the 'gay' agenda is attempting. The barriers should hold strong against this alien infiltration into children's environments under the bogus banner of tolerance. I will bet many of the strung up and burned at the stake people in the past had their meathooks on local kids and the parents took care of that predator for good..Just like they would if a rattlesnake was threatening their children by being in the area. Recently a grandfather found a farmhand's hands down his four year old granddaughters pants and beat him to death with his bare hands. The local populace were four square behind him and the Sherriff did not arrest him or charge him. Allowing pedophiles access to young boys for weekends in the woods is going to ruin alot of young lives, many for the rest of their days. I could give a $#@! how many gays get their panties in a knot about their feelings. It is our God given charge to make sure his children can retain their innocence as nature intended it by placing signs in our growth tht let us know what and when we were to become interested in coupling with the opposite sex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkr View Post
    so guys who like boys should be in charge of little boys?

    fliPPermint strikes again!

    maybe jerry sandusky should be a scout leader...
    and dont you DARE smoke cannabis
    anything goes but that
    $#@! you wiLLard
    $#@! this "reality"
    All gays rape little boys?
    I am the spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John F Kennedy III View Post
    All gays rape little boys?
    yes jfk 3 some do...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Bigots eh? This issue is much like the Obama contraception mandate. It's not about being a bigot, but rather, keeping to the Christian standards of the organization. The scriptures don't condone homosexuality and thus organizations who try to follow the scriptures would be going against their religious beliefs to condone it.
    They have a right to pick their own rules. They are developing role models as part of their mission so I see where you are going this. I didn't really ever think of it that way, I always thought of it as an insurance liability issue where national was concerned. Those with a 'gay agenda' aren't likely to have a troop to lead, parents do pick leaders. But gays who are just good Dads and no more likely to display sexuality one way or the other in front of the kids any more than any other Dad, could easily be picked, depending on your location.

    The stories I've read of abuse in Boy Scouts all involved proclaimed to be straight leaders, and I think strict adherence to the anti child predator policies is more effective at stopping abuse, frankly.
    Last edited by sailingaway; 08-09-2012 at 10:34 AM.
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    "Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden

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    Quote Originally Posted by sailingaway View Post
    They have a right to pick their own rules. They are developing role models as part of their mission so I see where you are going this. I didn't really ever think of it that way, I always thought of it as an insurance liability issue where national was concerned. Those with a 'gay agenda' aren't likely to have a troop to lead, parents do pick leaders. But gays who are just good Dads and no more likely to display sexuality one way or the other in front of the kids any more than any other Dad, could easily be picked, depending on your location.

    The stories I've read of abuse in Boy Scouts all involved proclaimed to be straight leaders, and I think strict adherence to the anti child predator policies is more effective at stopping abuse, frankly.
    That's why they are allowed to be scout leaders. It's the openly gay who are refused, and that is because of religious beliefs.

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