Trump claims neither war (Ukraine, Israel) would have happened if he were Potus..

[Snowball]

Trump: Hamas onslaught, Israel counter-attack wouldn’t have happened if I were president

“It would have never happened if I was president. Iran was broke… They had no money for Hamas, for Hezbollah, they were broke,” he says in a “Fox & Friends” phone interview.

“They wouldn’t have done it to me. I guarantee you that. They did this because they have no respect for Biden.”

Asked whether he supports the way the IDF is fighting in Gaza, Trump responds, “You’ve gotta finish the problem. You had a horrible invasion [that] took place.”

“Likewise, Russia would never never have attacked Ukraine. Never. You know it, everybody knows it. This is all on Biden.”

Asked whether he thinks US President Joe Biden is in the process of “abandoning Israel,” Trump responds, “I do believe that” before mocking his successor’s mental competence.

“It’s the fascists and the communists [who] surround him. They’re making the calls,” Trump claims.

Asked whether he supports US Vice President Kamala Harris’s call for a temporary ceasefire, Trump reiterates, “This attack on Israel, and likewise, Israel’s counter attack — which is what it is — would never have happened if I was president.”

He appears to again claim that the 2020 US election was stolen before saying, “all these people that are dead in Ukraine and Russia and Israel all these areas that are destroyed. People would be leading great lives right now.”

“We’re gonna end up in World War III,” Trump warns.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/livebl...ere-president/

takeway:
- Trump's purported reason why Hamas wouldn't have swet into Israel taking hostages on Oct 7, namely, because Iran would be weaker and not suppplying them, rings hollow to anyone familiar with the situation.
- Trump approves of the Israeli response, and says so.
- Yet again, Trump provides zero reason as to why or how Ukraine wouldn't have happened.
- Trump's lack of intelligent statements is a true insult to Americans. His braggadocio and base swagger is rather juvenile.

[TheCount]

Clearly the real problem is that we aren't supporting Israel enough! Luckily Trump is just the right person to address that.

[Occam's Banana]

- Trump's lack of intelligent statements is a true insult to Americans. His braggadocio and base swagger is rather juvenile.

On the contrary, those things are all as American as apple pie.

H.L. Mencken made numerous trenchant observations on this theme.

[Brian4Liberty]

Trump claims neither war (Ukraine, Israel) would have happened if he were Potus..

Of all the random and ignorant things Trump says, he is probably correct on that, for a variety of reasons other than "Trump is a bad ass". While Trump's unpredictability does give foreign leaders pause, the actions, corruption, and incompetence of the compromised Biden Admin are more to blame.

[dannno]

Clearly the real problem is that we aren't supporting Israel enough! Luckily Trump is just the right person to address that.

If we give $5 billion to Iran, that's another $10 billion+ we have to give to Israel to protect them from the military aid we just gave Hamas. That's called funding both sides of a war.

Trump wants to defund Iran, which will significantly lower the amount we would need to give to Israel to protect themselves.

I'm all for defunding both, but obviously defunding Iran and reducing the amount we have to give to Israel to protect themselves from the military aid we give to Hamas is highly preferable over the status quo.

[ClaytonB]

On the contrary, those things are all as American as apple pie.

H.L. Mencken made numerous trenchant observations on this theme.

This movie was so far ahead of it's time, it's just absurd...

[TheCount]

If we give $5 billion to Iran, that's another $10 billion+ we have to give to Israel to protect them from the military aid we just gave Hamas. That's called funding both sides of a war.

Trump wants to defund Iran, which will significantly lower the amount we would need to give to Israel to protect themselves.

I'm all for defunding both, but obviously defunding Iran and reducing the amount we have to give to Israel to protect themselves from the military aid we give to Hamas is highly preferable over the status quo.

Let me guess: "defund Iran" is your rebrand of Trump pulling out of the nuclear deal to twist it into a good thing actually.

Your $5 billion to Iran isn't real and your logic of "actually He saved money by giving money to Israel" is abused-spouse levels of apologia.

[acptulsa]

If we give $5 billion to Iran, that's another $10 billion+ we have to give to Israel to protect them from the military aid we just gave Hamas. That's called funding both sides of a war.

Trump wants to defund Iran, which will significantly lower the amount we would need to give to Israel to protect themselves.

I'm all for defunding both, but obviously defunding Iran and reducing the amount we have to give to Israel to protect themselves from the military aid we give to Hamas is highly preferable over the status quo.

You were already dead wrong at, "If we give... to Iran."

https://www.foreignassistance.gov/cd/iran/

[Snowball]

If we give $5 billion to Iran, that's another $10 billion+ we have to give to Israel to protect them from the military aid we just gave Hamas. That's called funding both sides of a war.

Trump wants to defund Iran, which will significantly lower the amount we would need to give to Israel to protect themselves.

I'm all for defunding both, but obviously defunding Iran and reducing the amount we have to give to Israel to protect themselves from the military aid we give to Hamas is highly preferable over the status quo.

"Defund Iran"? We don't give money to Iran. It's explained here:
https://apnews.com/article/donald-tr...e2a54b2b002dad

Iran is not in a position of control over Hamas whatsoever. Iran gets most of its income from China, selling oil.
Hamas doesn't even have any serious weapons like Hezbollah, which also had nothing to do with October 7th.

[TheCount]

You were already dead wrong at, "If we give... to Iran."

https://www.foreignassistance.gov/cd/iran/

Allow me to get my crystal ball out.

Part of the Iran deal involved lifting sanctions. Those sanctions included money that the US ordered frozen. Giving them their own money that we stole from them was spun as foreign aid and/or a bribe.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_frozen_assets

[Snowball]

Allow me to get my crystal ball out.

Part of the Iran deal involved lifting sanctions. Those sanctions included money that the US ordered frozen. Giving them their own money that we stole from them was spun as foreign aid and/or a bribe.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_frozen_assets

yes, like every day and night by the likes of Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity. In between big pharma commercials, of course...

[Anti Globalist]

True. Putin wanted Biden to be president because he knew it would be a lot easier to invade Ukraine.

[dannno]

"Defund Iran"? We don't give money to Iran. It's explained here:
https://apnews.com/article/donald-tr...e2a54b2b002dad

Iran is not in a position of control over Hamas whatsoever. Iran gets most of its income from China, selling oil.
Hamas doesn't even have any serious weapons like Hezbollah, which also had nothing to do with October 7th.

Allow me to get my crystal ball out.

Part of the Iran deal involved lifting sanctions. Those sanctions included money that the US ordered frozen. Giving them their own money that we stole from them was spun as foreign aid and/or a bribe.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_frozen_assets

So basically you're saying what I said is technically incorrect, but also you are admitting that Trump is correct.

[unknown]

[Swordsmyth]

Trump is right.

Iran has been at war with us since their revolution and both O'Bummer and Brandon gave aid and comfort to the enemy.
The enemy gave aid and guidance to its proxies to attack Israel and us.
Both also just directly gave money to Hamas and proxies of Hamas, Trump had cut off aid to them.

Ukraine wouldn't have happened because Trump would not have allowed Ukraine to provoke Russia.

[TheTexan]

Ukraine wouldn't have happened because Trump would not have allowed Ukraine to provoke Russia.

LOL. Ukraine was provoking Russia all throughout Trump's presidency.

[Swordsmyth]

LOL. Ukraine was provoking Russia all throughout Trump's presidency.

Not like what happened afterwards.
And Trump was exposing their corruption, that was one of the reasons the Demoncrats tried to impeach and remove him.

[acptulsa]

And Trump was exposing their corruption...

Oh? How?

[Swordsmyth]

Oh? How?

The perfect phone call about Biden getting the prosecutor fired for investigating Burisma.

Is your memory really this short? or is it just selective?

[acptulsa]

The perfect phone call about Biden getting the prosecutor fired for investigating Burisma.

Is your memory really this short? or is it just selective?

I'm not surprised that you don't remember that I considered both impeachments hogwash because I didn't consider what Trump did to amount to anything at all, because you were too busy foaming at the mouth over Justin Amash at the time in a Nixonian loyalty fit. But I didn't think a phone call inquiring about whether something was ongoing amounted to anything at all then, when that was your position too. And I don't think it amounted to anything now, while you seem to be claiming Trump exposed everything single-handed, right down to buying that second hand laptop.

[TheCount]

So basically you're saying what I said is technically incorrect, but also you are admitting that Trump is correct.

No to both.

[TheCount]

Iran has been at war with us since their revolution

$#@!s sake, read a book.

If anything it's the complete opposite of that. We sanctioned them because they kicked out our favorite dictator, then repeatedly tried to overthrow their government over the course of a few decades.

You might as well say that Cuba has been at war with us, it's the exact same situation.

and both O'Bummer and Brandon gave aid and comfort to the enemy.

Only in a Wormtongue world where words have no meaning.

The enemy gave aid and guidance to its proxies to attack Israel and us.

Yes, definitely.

Both also just directly gave money to Hamas and proxies of Hamas, Trump had cut off aid to them.

What aid did Trump cut off to Hamas?

Also, what proxies does Hamas have?

Ukraine wouldn't have happened because Trump would not have allowed Ukraine to provoke Russia.

Trump sent more weapons and aid to Ukraine than either Obama or Biden did preinvasion.

If that's the cause of the provocation, then Trump was the one who provoked Russia.

[Swordsmyth]

I'm not surprised that you don't remember that I considered both impeachments hogwash because I didn't consider what Trump did to amount to anything at all, because you were too busy foaming at the mouth over Justin Amash at the time in a Nixonian loyalty fit. But I didn't think a phone call inquiring about whether something was ongoing amounted to anything at all then, when that was your position too. And I don't think it amounted to anything now, while you seem to be claiming Trump exposed everything single-handed, right down to buying that second hand laptop.

Trump was exposing Ukrainian corruption, he would have gone farther if the left didn't tie him up in an impeachment for it.

You can drag in all the irrelevancies you want and it won't help.

[acptulsa]

Trump sent more weapons and aid to Ukraine than either Obama or Biden did preinvasion.

If that's the cause of the provocation, then Trump was the one who provoked Russia.

Are you trying to confuse him with genuine, proven facts?

Won't work. He has made up his mind.

[Swordsmyth]

$#@!s sake, read a book.

If anything it's the complete opposite of that. We sanctioned them because they kicked out our favorite dictator, then repeatedly tried to overthrow their government over the course of a few decades.

You might as well say that Cuba has been at war with us, it's the exact same situation.

In a war both sides are at war, it takes two to war.
The cause of the war doesn't matter because they will not make peace.
It's the same thing for Cuba.
The causes of the two wars are complicated and neither side is "the good guy".

Yes, definitely.

Strange that you now admit what you had denied.

What aid did Trump cut off to Hamas?

Also, what proxies does Hamas have?

US stops all aid to Palestinians in West Bank and Gaza



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-47095082


Israel shares evidence of UNRWA employees involvement in Oct. 7


https://jewishinsider.com/2024/03/ha...-israel-hamas/

Trump sent more weapons and aid to Ukraine than either Obama or Biden did preinvasion.

If that's the cause of the provocation, then Trump was the one who provoked Russia.

Weapons were not the provocation.
The push to get them into NATO and to use them to retake Crimea was the provocation.

[Swordsmyth]

Are you trying to confuse him with genuine, proven facts?

Won't work. He has made up his mind.

He's using his and your favorite tactic of changing the subject using irrelevancies.

[TheCount]

In a war both sides are at war, it takes two to war.
The cause of the war doesn't matter because they will not make peace.
It's the same thing for Cuba.
The causes of the two wars are complicated and neither side is "the good guy".

This is how you think that everyone is everyone's enemy and everyone's at war. Seems ridiculous.

Strange that you now admit what you had denied.

Strange that you are now making $#@! up.

Wait no,that's not strange, it's the norm.

US stops all aid to Palestinians in West Bank and Gaza

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-47095082

Israel shares evidence of UNRWA employees involvement in Oct. 7

https://jewishinsider.com/2024/03/ha...-israel-hamas/

Collectivists gonna collectivize.

By that logic, you support the IDF.

Weapons were not the provocation.
The push to get them into NATO and to use them to retake Crimea was the provocation.

Things that never happened.

[acptulsa]

He's using his and your favorite tactic of changing the subject using irrelevancies.

Got examples of me doing that? Or even of the straw man you like to slap my name on doing it?

[Swordsmyth]

Got examples of me doing that? Or even of the straw man you like to slap my name on doing it?

Me: What about RFK's CIA campaign manager? (Not a whistleblower)

You: Not all CIA are bad, what about whistleblowers like Snowden?


Me: Look at this testimony about Pedos in Government

You: Don't Lynch people


There's lots more but that's enough and it's not worth my time.

[Swordsmyth]

This is how you think that everyone is everyone's enemy and everyone's at war. Seems ridiculous.

LOL
I never said that.
But both Iran and Cuba have committed acts of war against us, continue to do so, and have never made peace.

Collectivists gonna collectivize.

By that logic, you support the IDF.

Right, it's collectivizing to show that Trump cut aid to the Hamas government in Gaza that pays the terrorists and to the UN aid agency that gives them aid, including some members participating in terrorist attacks.
Right.

And I have never done a thing for the IDF, I have repeatedly said we should stay out of it.
But just keep bloviating nonsense, I want people to see it.

Things that never happened.

Things that very much happened.