Trump Promises a “100% Tariff” on Cars Made Outside the US

[Snowball]

I left a pretty long post last time, but the end result of it was to recommend prohibitions on select imports and exports for the national welfare. In this example, if you really don't want Chinese autos, you ban them. The reason why the gov prefers tariffs is because tariffs still bring in tax revenues, and contribute to price inflation.

It's another example of how the gov and the banks, aka BIG GOV and BIG BIZ are working in tandem against the duped population.

I would also like to see more appreciation of the nature of corporations in the global investment world, the fact that trans-national air travel and communications are exceedingly rapid in recent times, and the ownership of the money supply that is distributed to banks, institutions and multi-layered corporations all owned by the same group of appointed operatives, who become executives.

The trade deficit and unnecessary exporting all benefit the government and the energy businesses, along with global financiers, the military which expands, and the New World Order. These factors were not in play in the 1890's. So-called "American" companies don't produce anywhere but elsewhere most products we consume now.

None of this is good for the domestic economy, smaller government, non-inerventionism, the local communities, broad participation by Americans in ownership of native markets, sound money, or the environment.

It is all bad. Big Gov and Big Biz. American and British Protestants and American and Global Jews are what did all this. They put the Jewish version of Capitalism on us. Protestants participated and, being duped and having no belief in the integration of religious truths in the economic realm, favoring nonsense propaganda philosophies of "englightenment" (Luciferian) money pimps, they created this condition we live in -- mass concentration of wealth and state power to perpetual tyranny by the apex.

If people only listened to the Catholics, we wouldn't be here. Pope Leo XIII in his 1891 encyclical Rerum Novarum condemned both capitalism and socialism because one leads to the other necessarily and they are the enemies of freedom. Sin and license is not freedom. "Ayn Rand" was just a Jewess operative of the Rothschilds, spewing the sickening and Satanic philosophy. G.K. Chesterton and Hilaire Belloc wrote extensively about this, as did others... but America is run by Protestants and so is the U.K., and the Jews came in over the centuries, taking the UK first, then America. Mass Jewish immigration in the 1880's-1910's and the greed of Protestant robber barons is why everything and I mean everything in this world is such a mess. Geopolitically, and functionally. Learn the truth if you don't know it yet.

[Swordsmyth]

For people with some functioning neurons, protectionist tariffs are using government to make the things you like to buy more expensive. The aim of that misguided philosophy is to literally move more of your money to the politically-favored class. Had that money been left in your own pockets, you could have decided to spend it on a new deck for your house, built by another American.

So yes, it is indeed using government force to move wealth away from where you want to use it and into the hands of the politically-favored.

But you're shifting the goalposts again. Your original thesis was that if Americans were free to decide where to spend their money, we may become addicted to and dependent on that freedom - just like animals in a zoo. So up is down, water is dry, war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength. We know what you're doing here!

For people with functioning brains protectionist tariffs are keeping your nation capable of independence and raising the wages of the common man to create a robust middle class capable of resisting the power mad globalist oligarchs.

It is free traders who are selling the idea that globalist tyranny is liberty.

It not addiction to "freedom", it's addiction to foreign welfare bait in the globalist trap.
You know how to trap wild pigs for slaughter or domestication?
You build a concrete pad with holes around the outside for metal poles.
Then you start dumping free food on the pad each day, it will take some time for the pigs to get used to the pad but then they will come and hang out on the pad and eat the food all the time.
When they are comfortable with the pad you add one wall, this will spook them but they will get over it and get comfortable again.
Next you repeat the process with each remaining wall but the last one.
Finally you add the last wall with a portcullis style gate and leave the gate up and open.
They will probably take longer to get used to the last wall with the gate because it has a narrow entrance, but eventually they will become comfortable and they will have become dependent on the free food you leave them every day, so they will at last begin to hang out inside your fence with the open gate.
When the time is right you release the gate to fall and trap them inside.
You can now either shoot them at your leisure or stop throwing in food until they become weak and compliant and you can load them up and take them back to pens on your farm.

You cash register libertarians with wallets for hearts will get us all enslaved or killed, just like with the open borders libertarians letting in millions of liberty ignorant and liberty hostile barbarians so you can have near slave labor to do your menial work instead of doing it yourselves or paying a decent wage to Americans to do it.

[Swordsmyth]

Let's make a government program where we pay a group of people to dig holes and pay another group of people to fill those holes back in and say it isn't welfare.

The government is not paying anyone to do anything with tariffs.
It does no good to repeat an obvious false analogy over and over.

If only the US existed we would have the same effect as perfect trade barriers, and internal commerce would proceed just fine, it wouldn't be welfare, that's all anyone needs to understand to see how idiotic the "tariffs are welfare" argument is.

[Swordsmyth]

It takes money from an American who buys an import and gives it to American bureaucrats.

Yes, it's a tax, it's the best kind of tax, a tax that will allow us to reduce or eliminate taxes with much worse side effects.
It's not welfare or anything like welfare.

You just never let facts get in the way of your narrative, do you?

There you go projecting again

I think what you're trying to say is, it takes money from someone doing something you disapprove of and uses it to fuel Air Force One which is going to happen anyway, so you tell yourself it fixes what you perceive as a problem without causing any side effects you care about.

It provides for the legitimate functions of government with the least side effects, which are the least damaging to liberty or the economy, and which even have beneficial aspects for independence and liberty.
It's also the most avoidable type of tax.

[CaptUSA]

For people with functioning brains protectionist tariffs are keeping your nation capable of independence and raising the wages of the common man to create a robust middle class capable of resisting the power mad globalist oligarchs.

It is free traders who are selling the idea that globalist tyranny is liberty.

It not addiction to "freedom", it's addiction to foreign welfare bait in the globalist trap.
You know how to trap wild pigs for slaughter or domestication?
You build a concrete pad with holes around the outside for metal poles.
Then you start dumping free food on the pad each day, it will take some time for the pigs to get used to the pad but then they will come and hang out on the pad and eat the food all the time.
When they are comfortable with the pad you add one wall, this will spook them but they will get over it and get comfortable again.
Next you repeat the process with each remaining wall but the last one.
Finally you add the last wall with a portcullis style gate and leave the gate up and open.
They will probably take longer to get used to the last wall with the gate because it has a narrow entrance, but eventually they will become comfortable and they will have become dependent on the free food you leave them every day, so they will at last begin to hang out inside your fence with the open gate.
When the time is right you release the gate to fall and trap them inside.
You can now either shoot them at your leisure or stop throwing in food until they become weak and compliant and you can load them up and take them back to pens on your farm.

That is about the most moronic and idiotic thing you've said on these forums - and that's a high bar! Congrats!

With free trade, the trap can never be set, because as soon as someone tries, we are free to seek alternatives. The only way a "cage" can be created is by government "protections".

I also think it's telling that you constantly refer to the American people as pigs and zoo animals as if we don't have free agency and are just animals to be played with on some cosmic chessboard.

Trade Globally / Govern Locally

[TheCount]

Bottom 10 countries ranked by trade freedom (heritage economic freedom index)

North Korea
Sudan
Bhutan
Venezuela
Barbados
Central African Republic
Chad
Equatorial Guinea
The Bahamas
Burundi

Fascists all believe that they will be part of the chosen few once their preferred government is installed. They wouldn't have a problem with living in any of those countries so long as they're a shepherd and not a sheep.

[spudea]

With free trade, the trap can never be set, because as soon as someone tries, we are free to seek alternatives. The only way a "cage" can be created is by government "protections".

That is incredibly short sighted and your just going by what a simpleton philosophical book says rather than use your brain and look at the complex real world implications. How can you have free trade with a communist country? They tariff our products or outright ban them, use slave labor, and we don't tariff their products results in the destruction of our vital industries and jobs. You're idealistic book based response will probably be something stupid like, "well they just do it better and we are better off not having those industries..." The result being the mass consumerism society that we have today that also enables mass manipulation to keep people from being capable of challenging the fraudster owners of this country.

You're fine with communist slave made products as long as it's cheaper? I'm not.

[CaptUSA]

That is incredibly short sighted and your just going by what a simpleton philosophical book says rather than use your brain and look at the complex real world implications. How can you have free trade with a communist country? They tariff our products or outright ban them, use slave labor, and we don't tariff their products results in the destruction of our vital industries and jobs. You're idealistic book based response will probably be something stupid like, "well they just do it better and we are better off not having those industries..." The result being the mass consumerism society that we have today that also enables mass manipulation to keep people from being capable of challenging the fraudster owners of this country.

Your fine with communist slave made products as long as it's cheaper? I'm not.

Great! Then don't buy them! See? Freedom.

[PAF]

Great! Then don't buy them! See? Freedom.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to CaptUSA again.

[spudea]

Great! Then don't buy them! See? Freedom.

My god you are incapable of connecting the dots. Don't buy them? The destruction of our domestic industry combined with the destruction of our wealth by the federal reserve leaves most of us no choice but to buy the slave made products in order to survive at a basic level.

[CaptUSA]

My god you are incapable of connecting the dots. Don't buy them? The destruction of our domestic industry combined with the destruction of our wealth by the federal reserve leaves most of us no choice but to buy the slave made products in order to survive at a basic level.

This is what you're not getting... Free trade doesn't destroy domestic industry; but it can affect certain sectors of our industries. But trying to protect them from foreign competition only hurts other domestic industries even MORE!

It's freedom, pure and simple. It's the barriers to freedom in markets that cause most of our problems.

[spudea]

This is what you're not getting... Free trade doesn't destroy domestic industry; but it can affect certain sectors of our industries. But trying to protect them from foreign competition only hurts other domestic industries even MORE!

It's freedom, pure and simple. It's the barriers to freedom in markets that cause most of our problems.

as predicted, more philosophy tropes. The essence of competition requires a level playing field with all parties following the same rules. This is you: "we don't need a textile industry, the child slaves in asia will make all our clothes. we don't need an auto industry, the child slaves in asia will make all our cars. oh yeah freedom baby!"

[CaptUSA]

as predicted, more philosophy tropes. The essence of competition requires a level playing field with all parties following the same rules. This is you: "we don't need a textile industry, the child slaves in asia will make all our clothes. we don't need an auto industry, the child slaves in asia will make all our cars. oh yeah freedom baby!"

Um yeah... that's not me at all. First, I don't use "we" in the same way you do. "We" don't have industries... People have businesses and we are free to buy their products or not. If those business owners give you heartburn, don't buy from them. Secondly, you're talking about manufacturing as if we get everything from a single source - that's not true at all. We are free to buy things from all over the world - and we do. And if that improves our lives and saves us money to spend on other things that also employ Americans (like energy, construction, medical care, basically every trade job, etc.) then that's great! That means more overall wealth.

It's almost like you don't care about those people... Or perhaps, you're only connecting the dots on one side of the equation. It's a common mistake.

[Anti Federalist]

The maritime disaster in Baltimore this morning, should drive home the folly of "outsourcing" critical manufacturing through unlimited "free trade" agreements.

In the space of five minutes, a major US port is now out of commission for months.

A coordinated attack by a serious enemy on shipping, ports and infrastructure would utterly cripple the US and any response to such an attack.

[Swordsmyth]

That is about the most moronic and idiotic thing you've said on these forums - and that's a high bar! Congrats!

With free trade, the trap can never be set, because as soon as someone tries, we are free to seek alternatives. The only way a "cage" can be created is by government "protections".

I also think it's telling that you constantly refer to the American people as pigs and zoo animals as if we don't have free agency and are just animals to be played with on some cosmic chessboard.

Trade Globally / Govern Locally

Free trade is the trap.
Once your industries are gone the globalists can cut off trade to your country like how the British Empire defeated Germany in both world wars.

Americans are wild and free, you want them to take the handouts and end up in the butcher shop or a farm pen.

[Swordsmyth]

That is incredibly short sighted and your just going by what a simpleton philosophical book says rather than use your brain and look at the complex real world implications. How can you have free trade with a communist country? They tariff our products or outright ban them, use slave labor, and we don't tariff their products results in the destruction of our vital industries and jobs. You're idealistic book based response will probably be something stupid like, "well they just do it better and we are better off not having those industries..." The result being the mass consumerism society that we have today that also enables mass manipulation to keep people from being capable of challenging the fraudster owners of this country.

You're fine with communist slave made products as long as it's cheaper? I'm not.

Free Traders are modern slave holders, they just hire other people in tyrannical countries to manage the slaves for them.
The fact that this reduces their countrymen to slaves as well is just fine with them because they imagine that they will be exceptions.
The truth is that they will just be eaten by the crocodile last.

[Swordsmyth]

Um yeah... that's not me at all. First, I don't use "we" in the same way you do. "We" don't have industries... People have businesses and we are free to buy their products or not. If those business owners give you heartburn, don't buy from them. Secondly, you're talking about manufacturing as if we get everything from a single source - that's not true at all. We are free to buy things from all over the world - and we do. And if that improves our lives and saves us money to spend on other things that also employ Americans (like energy, construction, medical care, basically every trade job, etc.) then that's great! That means more overall wealth.

It's almost like you don't care about those people... Or perhaps, you're only connecting the dots on one side of the equation. It's a common mistake.

You cede the entire world to the globalist tyrants and then wonder why they impose their policies in your country.
If you want liberty you need a "We" who do things differently in the area we control, in order to do things differently (liberty policies) we need independence, and in order to have independence we need to have industries instead of being lured into dependence on industries in tyrant controlled regions.

Without a "We" there is no liberty because the enemies of liberty most assuredly have a "We" and each isolated hyperindividualist will be defeated in detail.

The left accuses liberty oriented people of being "selfish", it's poppycock for normal liberty lovers, but people like you prove that in extreme cases they are right.
You are so "ME, ME, ME!" focused and short term instant gratification focused that you sell your birthright of liberty for a mess of pottage and when people tell you that you shouldn't and that it hurts their liberty for you to do so you lay down on the ground, bang your feet and fists, and scream "It's MINE! I can do what I want with it!".

I've got news for you, you have no right to destroy our independence and liberty and WE have a right to stop you.

[CCTelander]

You cede the entire world to the globalist tyrants and then wonder why they impose their policies in your country.
If you want liberty you need a "We" who do things differently in the area we control, in order to do things differently (liberty policies) we need independence, and in order to have independence we need to have industries instead of being lured into dependence on industries in tyrant controlled regions.

Without a "We" there is no liberty because the enemies of liberty most assuredly have a "We" and each isolated hyperindividualist will be defeated in detail.

The left accuses liberty oriented people of being "selfish", it's poppycock for normal liberty lovers, but people like you prove that in extreme cases they are right.
You are so "ME, ME, ME!" focused and short term instant gratification focused that you sell your birthright of liberty for a mess of pottage and when people tell you that you shouldn't and that it hurts their liberty for you to do so you lay down on the ground, bang your feet and fists, and scream "It's MINE! I can do what I want with it!".

I've got news for you, you have no right to destroy our independence and liberty and WE have a right to stop you.

It must be a truly miserable existence to be so terrified of every thing and every one that you feel you must control their choices to fit within your own myopic, childish and irrationally fearful worldview in order to feel anything resembling safe and secure. I pity you.

[CaptUSA]

It must be a truly miserable existence to be so terrified of every thing and every one that you feel you must control their choices to fit within your own myopic, childish and irrationally fearful worldview in order to feel anything resembling safe and secure. I pity you.

Well said. I was going to chime in again, but yeah... pointless. They are seriously trying to convince people that Freedom is Slavery, Control is Liberty. Orwell would be proud.

[Swordsmyth]

It must be a truly miserable existence to be so terrified of every thing and every one that you feel you must control their choices to fit within your own myopic, childish and irrationally fearful worldview in order to feel anything resembling safe and secure. I pity you.

What is a truly miserable existence is to live in absolute ignorance of the dangers in the world even in an era where they are all crashing down on your head.
That's myopic, childish, and irrational.

[acptulsa]

What is a truly miserable existence is to live in absolute ignorance of the dangers in the world even in an era where they are all crashing down on your head.

You think this nation is crashing down about our ears because we forgot how to build Japanese cars?

[Swordsmyth]

You think this nation is crashing down about our ears because we forgot how to build Japanese cars?

It's crashing down around our ears in many ways and for many different causes, but the destruction of our industries that turned so many people into welfare dependents who vote for the Demoncrats to keep the welfare flowing is one of the bigger ones.

[acptulsa]

It's crashing down around our ears in many ways and for many different causes, but the destruction of our industries that turned so many people into welfare dependents who vote for the Demoncrats to keep the welfare flowing is one of the bigger ones.

What a repetitive bore.

You want us to not only pay enough tax to keep OSHA (to name one of a thousand) in operation, pay extra for domestic products because OSHA is overhead, and pay the government extra to buy things not built where OSHA can affect the operation.

I want to get rid of OSHA.

Why do you hate America?

[Swordsmyth]

What a repetitive bore.

You want us to not only pay enough tax to keep OSHA (to name one of a thousand) in operation, pay extra for domestic products because OSHA is overhead, and pay the government extra to buy things not built where OSHA can affect the operation.

I want to get rid of OSHA.

Why do you hate America?

There you go lying again, nobody said anything about keeping OSHA.
Your tricks get more basic and transparent all the time.

[Swordsmyth]

What a repetitive bore.

You want us to not only pay enough tax to keep OSHA (to name one of a thousand) in operation, pay extra for domestic products because OSHA is overhead, and pay the government extra to buy things not built where OSHA can affect the operation.

I want to get rid of OSHA.

Why do you hate America?

You know why OSHA is still here? because free trade means people can still buy things from countries with zero safety or environmental rules and lots of slave labor.
Big government like OSHA, the EPA, and all the rest would not be tolerated if they weren't compensated for by China and others.
Why do you think it was Nixon who both created them and opened up relations with China? because they were two sides of the same coin meant to destroy our industries and make us interdependent so we could be forced into globalism and world government.

[acptulsa]

There you go lying again, nobody said anything about keeping OSHA.
Your tricks get more basic and transparent all the time.

You really can't figure out why OSHA is relevant to the conversation? Really?

You know why OSHA is still here? because free trade means people can still buy things from countries with zero safety or environmental rules and lots of slave labor.
Big government like OSHA, the EPA, and all the rest would not be tolerated if they weren't compensated for by China and others.
Why do you think it was Nixon who both created them and opened up relations with China? because they were two sides of the same coin meant to destroy our industries and make us interdependent so we could be forced into globalism and world government.

I thought you could.

Why do you think sticking on a few tariffs like band aids will solve the problems OSHA and EPA and all the rest create better than getting rid of the problems would?

This is why Republicans have been failing for 95 years. You're all having too much fun whining about the havoc the Democrats (and Republicans like Nixon) caused and using it as an excuse for even more random exercises of power to simply undo the damage.

And then after entrusting government to exercise power to fix the problems government caused when it exercised power, you're amazed when government exercises its power to give itself more power to cause problems.

You can't even, throw the damned Ring into the fire, and it's not even your damned ring.

[Swordsmyth]

You really can't figure out why OSHA is relevant to the conversation? Really?



I thought you could.

Why do you think sticking on a few tariffs like band aids will solve the problems OSHA and EPA and all the rest create better than getting rid of the problems would?

This is why Republicans have been failing for 95 years. You're all having too much fun whining about the havoc the Democrats (and Republicans like Nixon) caused and using it as an excuse for even more random exercises of power to simply undo the damage.

And then after entrusting government to exercise power to fix the problems government caused when it exercised power, you're amazed when government exercises its power to give itself more power to cause problems.

You can't even, throw the damned Ring into the fire, and it's not even your damned ring.

It's not either/or.
You get rid of the agencies and you put up the tariffs, the exact reverse of what the globalists did to us.

And Free Trade would have destroyed the industries all on its own even without help from regulations, the regulations just helped it go faster.

You keep insisting that Sauron's Ring (Free Trade) is a ring of power that can be used for liberty.
The globalists created it and push it because it serves them and them alone.

[acptulsa]

It's not either/or.

I just can't figure out why Trump keeps selling the band aid and rarely mentions the cure.

You keep insisting that Sauron's Ring (Free Trade)...

Do you really think that's what Sauron's Ring is?

Do us all a favor. Tell us which Tolkien forum you're going to, and when, and start talking about Sauron's Ring of Free Trade. That would be an amusing troll.

So, in your book free trade is an exercise of centralized power. Maybe you'd like to explain to the class how that works...

[TheTexan]

You know why OSHA is still here? because free trade means people can still buy things from countries with zero safety or environmental rules and lots of slave labor.
Big government like OSHA, the EPA, and all the rest would not be tolerated if they weren't compensated for by China and others.

Excellent point.

[TheTexan]

It must be a truly miserable existence to be so terrified of every thing and every one that you feel you must control their choices to fit within your own myopic, childish and irrationally fearful worldview in order to feel anything resembling safe and secure. I pity you.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to have a cultural and economic identity that is shared with people beyond just yourself.

And that, is what the globalists want to destroy.