They've already won

**A Son of Liberty** · 03-31-2018, 09:03 AM

To borrow osan's term, Theye have already won. Theye control mass media and communication. Theire ideology is portrayed as though it is the majority opinion, and moreover the idea that opinion matters when it comes to Rights is portrayed as a legitimate viewpoint.

Who knows if most people think Rights are subject to whim? Who cares? People who understand Rights don't, surely. What matters is that those who do understand be willing to fight and die for them.

As far as I'm concerned, at this point these should be the final words with regard to "the Liberty Movement". The die is cast. There is no debate. Rights are not debatable. Respect them, or pay.

**Jamesiv1** · 03-31-2018, 09:45 AM

Please create a poll for this thread. With plenty of options.

Thanks.

**otherone** · 03-31-2018, 10:01 AM

**undergroundrr** · 03-31-2018, 10:31 AM

"Liberty" and "movement" don't go together very well. Welcome to reality.

**acptulsa** · 03-31-2018, 10:53 AM

They don't see it that way. One thing you can count on with psychopaths is they're never satisfied. They want even more. Ninety-something percent of the wealth will never be enough.

That's why the pendulum keeps swinging both ways.

**Swordsmyth** · 03-31-2018, 01:27 PM

It aint over till it's over.

**timosman** · 03-31-2018, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Swordsmyth

It aint over till it's over.

+rep

This defeatist attitude is detrimental to the liberty movement. We've already lost is not a good starting point of any movement. Bitching is easy and requires no effort but all you need to do is to stop accepting the bull$#@! coming your way. Is this too hard?

**dannno** · 03-31-2018, 01:32 PM

Sorry, we are on a slight detour right now due to some construction..

**Swordsmyth** · 03-31-2018, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by timosman

+rep

This defeatist attitude is detrimental to the liberty movement. We've already lost is not a good starting point of any movement. Bitching is easy and requires no effort but all you need to do is to stop accepting the bull$#@! coming your way. Is this too hard?

I'm not surprised that it is one of our resident anarchists trying to convince us that things are hopeless either.

It makes you wonder what his real purpose is.

**timosman** · 03-31-2018, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by dannno

Sorry, we are on a slight detour right now due to some construction..

Some members forgot to wear helmets and suffered irreparable damages to their brain tissue. Remember safety first!

**timosman** · 03-31-2018, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Swordsmyth

I'm not surprised that it is one of our resident anarchists trying to convince us that things are hopeless either.

It makes you wonder what his real purpose is.

The purpose is to convince you that you should fold like a cheap lawn chair instead of extending a middle finger at a minimum.

**RonZeplin** · 03-31-2018, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by timosman

Some members forgot to wear helmets and suffered irreparable damages to their brain tissue. Remember safety first!

**Raginfridus** · 03-31-2018, 01:53 PM

You kids figure it out.

**oyarde** · 03-31-2018, 02:14 PM

Personally , long term I see no real reason to be optimistic . I will not surrender though . Right now I live like a King among the squalor so I am enjoying it while I can .

**A Son of Liberty** · 03-31-2018, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by timosman

+rep

This defeatist attitude is detrimental to the liberty movement. We've already lost is not a good starting point of any movement. Bitching is easy and requires no effort but all you need to do is to stop accepting the bull$#@! coming your way. Is this too hard?

Originally Posted by Swordsmyth

I'm not surprised that it is one of our resident anarchists trying to convince us that things are hopeless either.

It makes you wonder what his real purpose is.

Originally Posted by timosman

The purpose is to convince you that you should fold like a cheap lawn chair instead of extending a middle finger at a minimum.

Go $#@! yourselves.

You two wouldn't know a liberty movement if it stood up and slapped you in face... which I wish it would do, actually. I'm familiar enough with this forum to know that at least one of you are Trump-suckers, which makes your comments here laughable.

$#@! it. I really don't care what you two morons think. What you missed and what remains true is that "Theye" control the narrative, "theye" will continue to carry the ball forward, and "theye" will inevitably achieve "theire" goals... and what you don't realize is that you'll compromise yourselves all the way to the event horizon and just when you're slipping over the edge, you'll be asking yourselves how it happened.

Go $#@! yourselves.

ETA: Also, you jackasses, in case you missed it - the OP was clearly a call to arms, not a "defeatist" attitude... Jeezus... this is what passes for the liberty movement these days... what a cluster$#@!.

**Swordsmyth** · 03-31-2018, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty

Go $#@! yourselves.

You two wouldn't know a liberty movement if it stood up and slapped you in face... which I wish it would do, actually. I'm familiar enough with this forum to know that at least one of you are Trump-suckers, which makes your comments here laughable.

$#@! it. I really don't care what you two morons think. What you missed and what remains true is that "Theye" control the narrative, "theye" will continue to carry the ball forward, and "theye" will inevitably achieve "theire" goals... and what you don't realize is that you'll compromise yourselves all the way to the event horizon and just when you're slipping over the edge, you'll be asking yourselves how it happened.

Go $#@! yourselves.

We will be fighting for every inch while you lie on the ground in the fetal position and suck your thumb (if you aren't just here to undermine the movement), I'll take my grade on judgement day over yours.

**wizardwatson** · 03-31-2018, 06:36 PM

If you suck at video games, throwing the controller doesn't make you any better.

If you can define the problem, the solution will not be apart from it.

The general problem of the movement is that it's core competencies are divorced from its general strategic focus. It's core competencies are related to economics, monetary theory, and natural law and property rights (true government) while it's strategic focus is in electoral politics.

Step one for what remains of the movement, once at least one person comes up with a viable strategy related to said core competencies, will be seeing the working strategy in contrast to the non-working electoral politics strategy. Consensus may form around the new strategy enabling group action to form. Consensus around failure of electoral politics has already formed in the negative, in my opinion.

We must find our "hot gates".

**TheTexan** · 03-31-2018, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by Jamesiv1

Please create a poll for this thread. With plenty of options.

Thanks.

Yes, poll please.

Please include options for sign waving, petitions, strongly written letters, and of course, voting.

**fisharmor** · 03-31-2018, 06:43 PM

Hey, ASOL, send me your email & such before you get banned. IIRC you live close by me and I'd like a way to stay in touch.

**TheTexan** · 03-31-2018, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by Swordsmyth

We will be fighting for every inch while you lie on the ground in the fetal position and suck your thumb (if you aren't just here to undermine the movement), I'll take my grade on judgement day over yours.

I think we're going to make a lot of progress in 2020. With Trump again at the helm of the Republican ticket, I think it will be bring in a new wave of Conservative republicans in the next cycle.

Good times ahead.

**fisharmor** · 03-31-2018, 06:45 PM

Also, I'm really, I mean genuinely, amused that anyone thinks the liberty movement has had jack $#@! to do with anything for the last five years.

Rand killed it.

I'm not saying he's not doing any good work. I'm saying he killed the movement.

**TheTexan** · 03-31-2018, 07:01 PM

Oh ya, Rand too.

Almost forgot.

Maybe he can run for VP in 2020.

**angelatc** · 03-31-2018, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty

ETA: Also, you jackasses, in case you missed it - the OP was clearly a call to arms, not a "defeatist" attitude... Jeezus... this is what passes for the liberty movement these days... what a cluster$#@!.

Yeah. I wish I had a solution, but I don't. The Liberty movement isn't moving. Ron Paul said to take over the GOP, but most of the young activists either went to the LP (or back to the LP), walked away from politics, or stopped voting.

**Swordsmyth** · 03-31-2018, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty

ETA: Also, you jackasses, in case you missed it - the OP was clearly a call to arms, not a "defeatist" attitude... Jeezus... this is what passes for the liberty movement these days... what a cluster$#@!.

When you have started your rebellion let me know, until then you sound like a FedRat, your OP is designed to either get us all to give up or get us arrested and thrown in prison.

**timosman** · 03-31-2018, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by Swordsmyth

get us arrested and thrown in prison.

You don't wanna fight for leeberty and make your final stand?

**Swordsmyth** · 03-31-2018, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by timosman

You don't wanna fight for leeberty and make your final stand?

I'd rather not walk into a trap because some idiot called for a disorganized uprising on the NSA infested internet.

If an armed uprising is ever justified it will have to be organized and that will have to take place offline.

**TheTexan** · 03-31-2018, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by timosman

You don't wanna fight for leeberty and make your final stand?

Why would anyone want to do that, when everything is awesome?

My stock portfolio is looking pretty good about now

**timosman** · 03-31-2018, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by Swordsmyth

I'd rather not walk into a trap because some idiot called for a disorganized uprising on the NSA infested internet.

If an armed uprising is ever justified it will have to be organized and that will have to take place offline.

You don't want to be a patsy? http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...0-Step-Program

**heavenlyboy34** · 03-31-2018, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Swordsmyth

When you have started your rebellion let me know, until then you sound like a FedRat, your OP is designed to either get us all to give up or get us arrested and thrown in prison.

Mr 2016 join date, I promise the OP isn't a FedRat. He knows his $#@! a helluva lot better than you do, if my experience with you is any indication.

**Swordsmyth** · 03-31-2018, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34

Mr 2016 join date, I promise the OP isn't a FedRat. He knows his $#@! a helluva lot better than you do, if my experience with you is any indication.

Then he is a fool and my experience with you gives me little indication that you know much either.

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