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    (Molynoob) Mother's horror after internet cult brainwashed her teenage son

    Full hilarity at: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...imed-evil.html
    'He's been taught to hate me': Mother's horror after internet cult brainwashed her teenage son into cutting off ties - and claimed SHE was 'evil'

    Barbara Weed's teenage son Tom cut off all contact six years ago
    He had been watching podcasts made by 'philosopher' Stefan Molyneaux
    Molyneaux also 'convinced him he was the victim of abuse' during chats
    Canadian espouses cutting off family ties which he calls 'de-FOOing'
    Molyneaux' operation has been described as a cult by critics
    Ms Weed says her son has been taught to hate her by Molyneaux

    In 2009, Tom Bell, then 18 and studying for his A-levels, walked out of his family home with all of his personal possessions and never returned.

    The teenager, whose mother says he had been 'distant and distracted', left a note saying he was cutting off all contact with the family and did not want to be found.

    Now, six years after he left, his mother Barbara Weed has revealed how she discovered that he had been brainwashed by a sinister online cult - and fears that he will never return.

    'He seemed more distant, distracted, detached,' says Ms Weed of the weeks leading up to Tom's disappearance.

    'He wasn't coming down for meals anymore. He wanted to cook his own food. He was vegetarian and then he was vegan. I assumed that he was going through the normal grumpy teenager phase.'

    But unbeknown to her, Tom had been spending most of his time on a website called Freedomain Radio, which is run by a Canadian named Stefan Molyneaux.

    Molyneaux, who claims to be a philosopher, regularly posts podcasts in which he expounds on everything from the evils of taxation to relationships.

    He also espouses a process known as 'de-FOOing', which involves cutting off ties with family and friends, and is on record as saying he does 'not believe there are any really good parents out there'.

    This, says Ms Weed, is exactly the sort of conversation he had been having with her son who, in podcasts later downloaded by his mother, can be heard being convinced that he had been a victim of abuse during his childhood.

    Family: Molyneaux claims there are 'no good parents' and advocates a process called 'de-FOOing' which involves cutting off ties with family members and friends who disagree with your views

    Sinisterly, the charge arose from Tom telling Molyneaux that he had seen his father John kick the family cat once.

    'I think that you as a child were treated like an animal by someone who was cruel to animals,' adds Molyneux in the recording.

    'I think the compassion you have towards animals, which is a good thing and which I respect, is a stand-in for something that's harder for you to face which is how you were treated.

    'That's why I say to people, if your parents are evil, ditch them.'

    Ms Weed was horrified. 'Even now, it's just so shocking to listen to the podcast and hear my son talking and asking quite innocent, reasonable questions: "Why do I feel so upset when I see animals being being mistreated?"

    'Then, within a couple of sentences, Molyneaux is convincing him that he had not just seen animals being mistreated because his cats were yelled at but he was treated like an animal, he was a victim of abuse.

    'Tom was just sobbing. And he believed he had been mistreated as a child.'

    Listening to the recording after her son's departure was, she says, agonising. 'Listening to somebody do that to my son - it was the same as if I had watched them kicking and beating him on a newsreel. Why would anybody do that to my son?

    'He [Molyneux] convinces people quite quickly that they have been a victim of abuse, that their parents never loved them, that they have been mistreated.'

    Molyneux, who has insisted in past interviews that his outfit is 'not a cult' and that he doesn't encourage people to leave their families, can be heard doing just that in more recent posts - bizarrely claiming that family members who disagree with his adherents' views want them dead.

    'Barbara's story is very sadly typical of parents who have lost their children or loved ones to cults -they get a letter saying, "I don't want to talk to you anymore", explains Professor Rod Dubrow-Marshall, the editor of the International Journal of Cultic Studies

    'It's the way in which cults break up families and harm people psychologically by expecting members to split themselves off from their families in that way.'

    Ms Weed, who has not seen her son for six years, did attempt to make contact shortly after he left by turning up at the coffee shop where he was working. She says she was swiftly rebuffed.

    'I did say he could come back anytime, even in 20 years, and he'd be welcome,' she says, sadly. 'He just shook his head.

    'He didn't speak. He just shook his head and looked at me as if to say, you fool. That's the last time I spoke to him.'

    Chillingly, Tom went on to discuss the encounter and his mother's subsequent media appeals with Molyneaux on a Freedomain Radio forum.

    The Canadian responded: 'She [Ms Weed] misses having a victim around and so she is using the media to victimise you ... Totally evil.'

    His mother is not surprised. 'I'm not going to look for him,' she says. 'I wouldn't know where to begin and the chances of ever seeing him again are so minimal.

    'There would be no point because he hates me - he will always hate me because that's what Molyneaux has trained him to do. He won't want to see me.

    She adds: 'To parents, I'd say if you notice your child's behaviour changing, they're cutting themselves off from people who used to be their friends, try talking to them.

    'Find out what they're involved in and find out as much about that as you can. It might be some religion they're involved in, it could be a gang, it could be drugs or it could be a cult.'

    FREEDOMAIN RADIO: THE 'CULT' THAT HIDES BEHIND PHILOSOPHY

    Set up by former IT worker and self-proclaimed philosopher Stefan Molyneaux, Freedomain Radio is a blog that produces regular podcasts on a huge range of topics, including family life and politics.

    Molyneaux appears in most of the videos and claims they amount to 'the largest and most popular philosophy show in the world' with 100 million podcasts downloaded.

    But his confrontational style and his enthusiasm for 'de-FOOing' have led to his organisation being dubbed a cult, with many of those who use it going on to cut off their families much like Tom.

    Many of his rants err on the side of the bizarre, including one recent example in which he claimed family members with differing views really 'want you dead'.

    'How can I even have a shred of pride if I'm willing to hang out with people who want me dead,' he continues.

    'That is sick. That is self-denigration of the most revolting kind. If you're not willing to put your personal relationships to the test, that's fine. But don't imagine you're a libertarian or have anything to do with virtue.'

    There is also a small but growing number of former devotees who have become disillusioned with Molyneaux's 'philosophy' and have created websites of their own to counter his narrative.

    Jack, a user of one the websites, called freedomfeens.com, and a former devotee took to a forum to describe his experiences and described himself as a 'victim' of Molyneaux' brainwashing.

    'Many of us were directly told to shun people,' he writes. 'Stef draws people into his little cult by telling them to leave their families, etc – then when he gets tired of specific people, directs others to gang up on them and shun them.

    'Many of these people are very lost, some are mentally ill, and he draws them in and then cuts them off, leaving them without any sort of support network.'

    In an interview with the Guardian shortly after Tom's disappearance, Molyneaux himself said his website 'couldn't be further from a cult'.
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    Destroying families isn't the way to anarchy, it's the way to control. If true, it's an indication of Molyneux true character and someone to be avoided.
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    I don't watch much Molyneux outside of some his videos on gun control and such, so this is news to me.
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    He also says that if one's friends aren't ancaps, one should cut them out completely. The guy is a menace. I'm not against cutting out one's family if they truly are toxic and abusive, but his standard for what counts as "abuse" is so broad, that we should all be "DefOOing" according to him.
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    Stefan making the against me argument in a very creepy way only he can pull off. Just notice the stab he takes at Ron Paul (around the 6:00 and 9:50 mark) and his supporter for believing that things can be changed via politics, this is the same guy now heaping praise at Donal Trump. The man is a sales man and a good one at that but he is not principled or a philosopher and definitely not a libertarian/anarchocap

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    That's not hilarity. It's terrible.

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    He's such a smarmy sneak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Rogue View Post
    Destroying families isn't the way to anarchy, it's the way to control. If true, it's an indication of Molyneux true character and someone to be avoided.
    I don't have a dog in this fight, but Stef is normally a fan of family. The "de-fooing" thing, as I understand it, is about getting out of dysfunctional and destructive relationships. We ought to avoid strawmanning and slandering if we're concerned with making good arguments against what Stef does. ETA: note also that this is a Daily Fail piece. Take it with a grain of salt and factcheck it. It's a rag not exactly known for journalistic integrity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    I don't have a dog in this fight, but Stef is normally a fan of family.
    Not the Stef most of us know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    I don't have a dog in this fight, but Stef is normally a fan of family. The "de-fooing" thing, as I understand it, is about getting out of dysfunctional and destructive relationships. We ought to avoid strawmanning and slandering if we're concerned with making good arguments against what Stef does. ETA: note also that this is a Daily Fail piece. Take it with a grain of salt and factcheck it. It's a rag not exactly known for journalistic integrity.
    I wish it was just strawmanning but he believes that no rational person can hold power (parental) power without abusing it. This is the abusive he is talking about and unless your parents or you as a parent took a parenting class from him, then your children should leave you or you should leave your parent because of parental abuse..

    Please I beg you to watch the last video about his true belief on defooing. If after watching it you still believe that people criticizing his defooing idea are just talking him out of context then I will quit trying to convince people on RPF.


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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    That's not hilarity. It's terrible.
    Oh, I agree the story is tragic - I just found it kind of funny that the DailyFail picked the story up. Certainly the last place I would expect to read anything about Molyneux. ETA: The dude's age is also such that I'm not taking this story more seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    Not the Stef most of us know.
    You obviously don't know him well at all.

    I will stick up for him, and the kid is probably better off that he ran away.

    Stefan is a great philosopher. I don't agree with everything he says, but I agree with the vast majority and I can see where he is coming from regarding our disagreements. He's certainly not a cult leader by any stretch of the imagination.
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    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    This is actually one of my favorite youtube videos of all time:

    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    I don't have a dog in this fight, but Stef is normally a fan of family. The "de-fooing" thing, as I understand it, is about getting out of dysfunctional and destructive relationships. We ought to avoid strawmanning and slandering if we're concerned with making good arguments against what Stef does. ETA: note also that this is a Daily Fail piece. Take it with a grain of salt and factcheck it. It's a rag not exactly known for journalistic integrity.
    That's why I said "If true". I have family members, some are progressive socialists and some are Fox News watching/Rush Limbaugh listening nationalists, but I'm not going to cut ties with them. Heck, my Wife agrees with me on very little, even cops. I'll never change any of their minds a bit, but I still see them as good people, just wrong. By the way, what is the origin of foo and what does it mean? Question meant for any member.
    Quote Originally Posted by BuddyRey View Post
    Do you think it's a coincidence that the most cherished standard of the Ron Paul campaign was a sign highlighting the word "love" inside the word "revolution"? A revolution not based on love is a revolution doomed to failure. So, at the risk of sounding corny, I just wanted to let you know that, wherever you stand on any of these hot-button issues, and even if we might have exchanged bitter words or harsh sentiments in the past, I love each and every one of you - no exceptions!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Rogue View Post
    That's why I said "If true". I have family members, some are progressive socialists and some are Fox News watching/Rush Limbaugh listening nationalists, but I'm not going to cut ties with them. Heck, my Wife agrees with me on very little, even cops. I'll never change any of their minds a bit, but I still see them as good people, just wrong. By the way, what is the origin of foo and what does it mean? Question meant for any member.
    Family of Origin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Rogue View Post
    That's why I said "If true". I have family members, some are progressive socialists and some are Fox News watching/Rush Limbaugh listening nationalists, but I'm not going to cut ties with them. Heck, my Wife agrees with me on very little, even cops. I'll never change any of their minds a bit, but I still see them as good people, just wrong. By the way, what is the origin of foo and what does it mean? Question meant for any member.
    Defooing means
    de - dissociating
    foo - family of origin

    Ofc, you defoo from your family of origin and then join the family of FDR. The whole thing is a sham to seperate you from the people most likely to stop you from making a foolish life choice like joining a cult and giving the leader all your money

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    Family of Origin.

    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Defooing means
    de - dissociating
    foo - family of origin

    Ofc, you defoo from your family of origin and then join the family of FDR. The whole thing is a sham to seperate you from the people most likely to stop you from making a foolish life choice like joining a cult and giving the leader all your money
    Thanks you both for the answer.

    Yeah, not a fan of defooing, unless it's from devil's rejects or similar.
    Quote Originally Posted by BuddyRey View Post
    Do you think it's a coincidence that the most cherished standard of the Ron Paul campaign was a sign highlighting the word "love" inside the word "revolution"? A revolution not based on love is a revolution doomed to failure. So, at the risk of sounding corny, I just wanted to let you know that, wherever you stand on any of these hot-button issues, and even if we might have exchanged bitter words or harsh sentiments in the past, I love each and every one of you - no exceptions!

    "When goods do not cross borders, soldiers will." Frederic Bastiat

    Peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    I wish it was just strawmanning but he believes that no rational person can hold power (parental) power without abusing it. This is the abusive he is talking about and unless your parents or you as a parent took a parenting class from him, then your children should leave you or you should leave your parent because of parental abuse..

    Please I beg you to watch the last video about his true belief on defooing. If after watching it you still believe that people criticizing his defooing idea are just talking him out of context then I will quit trying to convince people on RPF.

    Thanks, I'll watch tomorrow. I'm always open to new evidence I haven't heard of. ~hugs~
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    This is actually one of my favorite youtube videos of all time:

    It's one of my favorite videos too! I don't really watch a lot of his videos but of course, he does have good things to offer, & after all, there's good & bad in every person so it's our responsibility to take the good things a person has to offer & reject the bad ones, based on our individual views.
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    Wow unreal. He actually promotes ditching your family? I suppose I can understand it in a truly horrific scenario. But if you're living in suburbia, your dad isn't a pedophile, and your mother isn't on crack cocaine, I don't see how this could be a good idea. Steph does pretty good videos, and his point of view is an important bellweather to gauge ideas by (well, to me at least). But he's got a little bit of crazy mixed in. I think you're going to get that whenever you take one of these hardline, unilateral world views, where you just cling to a single overriding principle to the abolition of all else.

    Hmm "cult" is a little strong I think. I can imagine how Steph pictures a "libertopia" paradise that will one day break away from the violent, sinful world. But at what point does it become a "cult", and not just really bad advice?


    Anyway, in my personal opinion, I don't think you can come up with some sort of hyper rational, logical solution to the world on a chalkboard. A person should form their view of the world by getting out there. Getting some grass between their toes. Seeing the sights, hearing the sounds. Talking to rusty old men with handlebar mustaches and hearty barrel laughs. Listening to a giggling gaggle of women chattering about their day. Having some adventures, and getting some good story telling material for the future grandkids.

    This kid really needed someone to knock on his door, drag him out of his room away from his internet connection, and take him to the beach. Or take him up into the mountains. Get some dirt under his fingernails. Make him talk to real, physical people, most importantly GIRLS! A young man should not be sitting around like a slug, he should be out there DOING stuff. Or at least that's what I was told growing up.

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    Stop blaming Molyneaux. He didn't kill anyone. He didn't make this guy stop talking to his family. He didn't make anybody do anything they didn't want to do. This is another media outlet trying to blame the TV for ruining their lives. This article is all about the parents feelings about what their own kid thinks about them. Maybe this is why the kid hates them. Because they only think about themselves. While Molyneaux's opinion can be misconstrued, I believe the overall message is valid. If your associations are toxic and that includes your own family, then it's time to move on. We wouldn't be talking about this if the person who left their parents was Macaulay Culkin or Michael Jackson, knowing how abusive their upbringing was. This is more "blame the internet because I got my feelings hurt" bull$#@!. She would probably be all for banning Molyneaux from the internet. Another case of emotional tyranny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roho76 View Post
    Stop blaming Molyneaux. He didn't kill anyone. He didn't make this guy stop talking to his family. He didn't make anybody do anything they didn't want to do.
    Stop blaming Bill Kristol. He didn't make our presidents kill all those people.



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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    Stop blaming Bill Kristol. He didn't make our presidents kill all those people.
    Where have I made that claim? I blame no one but the ignorant electorate for our problems.
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    I like Molyneux, I liked him when he was a nobody. The problem is with people in general is that they have an "all or nothing" approach to things. You see this kind of radicalism in fringe movements. No offense to the comrades here, but libertarianism is rather fringe in the real world. Especially the variant of libertarianism espoused by Molyneux and the folks on here. Anyways, there's a tendency to have a cult-like devotion to someone or something that makes sense to people. Molyneux is a persuasive guy, great speaker, good production values these days, and has a decent argument for a decentralized laissez-fairez, Austrian society. But if one steps back and looks at it objectively he has an extremely weak foundation for his views. Consider the following:

    1) His thoughts on God & theism in general. Very controversial subject but probably the most important and popular subject in philosophy at the moment. There are real, peer-reviewed philosophers who are respected by virtually everyone on the battlefield, theist & non-theist alike. Yet they still hold to a belief in God and make convincing arguments for a deity's existence. Dr. William Lane Craig is an obvious example of such. Molyneux and his followers just dismiss any concept of a God as being silly. When in reality Molyneux's arguments would probably get dismantled by any academic theistic philosopher, especially the likes of a Craig, Feser, or Hart.

    2) His rhetoric on social contracts and oversimplified arguments. Basically I'm referring to the "against me" argument. His basic claim against a social contract is that one cannot involuntarily enter a contract, so any sort of social contract is nullified. Problem is this, the NAP is just another social contract. It's so vague and damn ambiguous, even its most die-hard adherents concede as much. Who defines aggression? Sure, obviously in cases like murder we know where the aggression was taking place. But what about things like wage exploitation, artificial property rights, property rights in general? These are ideas that have divided anarchists and pretty much everyone since the beginning of the anarchist movement.

    I have more to say but I just got called into work. I'll continue this discussion later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    I think it makes sense to cut negative people out of your life. I prefer to associate with Ron Paul supporters and not socialists. Negative and destructive people are not good to have around even if they are family.
    That's the problem. It's all subjective according to what you view as "negative and destructive." According to Molyneaux, that means a heck of a lot of people, including religious families, which is a very large category. I'm sure my sister viewed my family as negative and destructive to her freedom when she ran away as a teenager, but she was the only one of 6 who turned out that way. There's really no way we can know for sure whether it was good for a certain kid to leave their parents, but suffice it to say Molyneaux's broad definition is going to have quite a bit of negative influence. Again, how much negative influence is subjective according to what your view is of the situation. Those of us who follow him will continue to follow him, and those of us who think he's a cult leader will continue to think he's a cult leader because there's really no reason for us to question the more basic premises of our belief systems, which are predicated upon our moral convictions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roho76 View Post
    Where have I made that claim? I blame no one but the ignorant electorate for our problems.
    But Bill Kristol? Totally cool guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    Stop blaming Bill Kristol. He didn't make our presidents kill all those people.
    Leaving toxic and abusive relationships is like killing people??


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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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