Why government should always have more power than private business.

[SpicyTurkey]

OP is on da good $#@!.

[tttppp]

The Free Market is not a "System", it is the natural state of man.

Hire someone to write your resume.

Hire someone to train you in interviewing skills: read a book on interviewing process, communication skills.

Unfortunately, most jobs go to the people who can bs people the best, not necessarily the best people (Obama). Most employers want to be told what they want to hear, not what they need to hear. It takes lots of practice to learn how to kiss ass if you want to. Even then you are not going to be as good at it as the people who are natural at it.

[Revolution9]

This^^ The Constitution is a corporate charter.

\

The one of 1883 is. The prior one not so.

Rev9

[EcoWarrier]

You never did explain why towns that have plenty of infrastructure and people, but no businesses left have low land values.

Shouldn't Ghost Towns generate tonnes of Land Tax Revenue if infrastructure and community creates wealth?

Infrastructure does not create wealth. It is a mechanism to aid wealth creation. An underground metro in a city is essential for wealth creation to get people around and to work fast and easy. They do not make profits on tickets sales but are profitable to the community as they assist in wealth generation. Close down the NY Subway and the city would economically decline.

Towns which have no businesses tend not to have people. Mining towns are the obvious. When the ore runs out, there is nothing left and the people move - unless the town has developed other forms of industry. But mining towns tend to be in the wrong place for commercial general trade. Large coal mining towns tended to survive as industry was attracted to the tows because of the available energy. When the coal is exhausted they just convert to oil and stay put.

The e.g., of Johannesburg is good as here is an ex mining town that has no right to be what it is as it is not a port, on a river, in fertile land, etc. LVT made the city strong and survive the diamond mines closing, making the city a Southern African financial centre.

Low land values come about because the land is not in demand by the community because the land gives little economic advantage - there may be no jobs around. Get it?

[EcoWarrier]

That sounds real nice in happy hippie eco land but in the real world land can be bought and sold just like any other form of property.

Again. Land is given by nature NOT by man. Always remember that. Land is bought and sold and should be. You do not need to be a hippy to know that. There is nothing you can buy that acts and reacts in a market like land. It is inelastic. Of finite supply. We need LAND and its RESOUCES to survive

We have world wide crashes because LAND is treated like a washing machine. If we are short of washing machines we can make more. If we are short of land that gives economic gain we cannot make more.

You can take cheap LABOR from Alabama to NY
You can take cheap CAPITAL (washing machines) from Alabama to NY
You cannot take cheap LAND from Alabama to NY

Neo-classical economics moved LAND into CAPITAL and since then the economic system has gone wild. We need to revert to classical economics.

Land is unique and special being completly different from movable objects like machinery, equipment and raw materials. If the price of cement rises in one location than another the cheaper cement will move to the location where the prices are higher equalising the price of cement (making cement cheaper) - moveable goods and service equalize the price (value).

[idiom]

An underground metro in a city is essential for wealth creation to get people around and to work fast and easy.

Every public transportation system I have every used has been self-supporting. Why wouldn't it be? It would have to be extremely poorly managed...

Low land values come about when there is low business demand for the land. Johannesburg was suitable for business without specific geographic requirements. Despite you insistence, not every business needs a geographical resource to survive.

Two towns, 100km apart. One has LVT at 80% the other has LVT at 5%. Neither town has any other taxes. Which town do you set up a business in?

[idiom]

Land is unique and special being completly different from movable objects like machinery, equipment and raw materials. If the price of cement rises in one location than another the cheaper cement will move to the location where the prices are higher equalising the price of cement (making cement cheaper) - moveable goods and service equalize the price (value).

Land is just a huge hunk of raw materials. Your view is about three thousand years out of date. Any amount of land can be moved anywhere. You clearly don't believe in other planets, in land reclamation, in open pit mining, or that Holland exists...

We actually have the ability to create matter now. We can't generate the energy yet to do that yet. Earth is not even the largest planet in this system. There are countless other planets we are aware of. There are billions of tonnes of asteroids in reach.

'Unique' and 'finite' and 'productive' have definitions quite different from the way you use them.



Land being made. Homes and businesses will be on this brand new land.

[John F Kennedy III]

Land is just a huge hunk of raw materials. Your view is about three thousand years out of date. Any amount of land can be moved anywhere. You clearly don't believe in other planets, in land reclamation, in open pit mining, or that Holland exists...

We actually have the ability to create matter now. We can't generate the energy yet to do that yet. Earth is not even the largest planet in this system. There are countless other planets we are aware of. There are billions of tonnes of asteroids in reach.

'Unique' and 'finite' and 'productive' have definitions quite different from the way you use them.



Land being made. Homes and businesses will be on this brand new land.

It seems Eco is pretending your post doesn't exist.

[idiom]

It seems Eco is pretending your post doesn't exist.

Its not for him.

[heavenlyboy34]

\

The one of 1883 is. The prior one not so.

Rev9

Incorrect. The original was also. Version 1883 is more obviously tyrannical, though.

[EcoWarrier]

We actually have the ability to create matter now.

Are we about to create another planet earth? Duh!

Land is: dry and, the sea, seabed (wet land), the air, electromagnetic spec rum. Dredging sand from the sea bed to make dry land is shuffling the furniture around. Get it?

[EcoWarrier]

Every public transportation system I have every used has been self-supporting.

No underground urban metro in the world survives on ticket prices.

Two towns, 100km apart. One has LVT at 80% the other has LVT at 5%. Neither town has any other taxes. Which town do you set up a business in?

The one with LVT as there is no Corporation tax, income tax, sales tax, or any taxes on production which makes business thrive. Which occured in Denmark.

[idiom]

The one with LVT as there is no Corporation tax, income tax, sales tax, or any taxes on production which makes business thrive.

Which part of "Neither town has any other taxes." was too hard?

Dredging sand from the sea bed to make dry land is shuffling the furniture around. Get it?

So you are saying land can be moved around then? But you just said it can't be moved around...

Land is unique and special being completly different from movable objects like machinery, equipment and raw materials.

[Theodore]

[QUOTE=From The_Honorable_Doug;4566878]Hi,

Look, it's nice to live in this fantasy world where government is always bad and private businessmen somehow incorruptible, but the truth is that
businessmen and investors, who are only concerned about turning bigger and bigger profits, would pay their workers nothing if they could get away
with it (what is wage-slavery but another form of (legitimate) slavery? A worker isn't free, after all, and just like a slave, you have to pay for the basics:
food, shelter, health, etc.)

This is why we need a stronger government: it is the sphere of democracy, in which (theoretically) all citizens can participate as equals,
unlike in a private business, where workers are subordinated to the interests of the investors/owners/bosses. In this case, the government
can step in to prevent the workers from abuse, if they are unable to do so themselves.

Hello Doug:

The National Labor Relations Board used to be quite competent in settling labor disputes but it has (30 years ago) been politicised. The NLRB should be reconstituted as a lifetime nine member elected board with an oversite appeal system (the US Supreme Court for instance can handle appeals). The NLRB decisions should be binding and enforced by the Justice Department, unless an appeal is submitted to the Supreme Court.

Theodore

[idiom]

The National Labor Relations Board used to be quite competent in settling labor disputes but it has (30 years ago) been politicised. The NLRB should be reconstituted as a lifetime nine member elected board with an oversite appeal system (the US Supreme Court for instance can handle appeals). The NLRB decisions should be binding and enforced by the Justice Department, unless an appeal is submitted to the Supreme Court.

Theodore

A government is just a group of people, usually, notably, ungoverned.

[Theodore]

Hello VoluntaryAmerican: the folowing is my reply to The Honorable Doug

Hi Doug:

The National Labor Relations Board used to be quite competent in settling labor disputes but it has (30 years ago) been politicised by both parties. The NLRB should be reconstituted very simply as a lifetime nine member elected board with an oversite appeal system (the US Supreme Court for instance can handle appeals). The NLRB decisions should be binding and enforced by the Justice Department, unless an appeal is submitted to the Supreme Court.

Theodore

[idiom]

Hello VoluntaryAmerican: the folowing is my reply to The Honorable Doug

Hi Doug:

The National Labor Relations Board used to be quite competent in settling labor disputes but it has (30 years ago) been politicised by both parties. The NLRB should be reconstituted very simply as a lifetime nine member elected board with an oversite appeal system (the US Supreme Court for instance can handle appeals). The NLRB decisions should be binding and enforced by the Justice Department, unless an appeal is submitted to the Supreme Court.

Theodore

The Justice Department won't even enforce current laws against monstrous corruption and fraud. Gun-running, money laundering, the entire housing fraud of 2001-2008, none of it has been prosecuted. Why would your 'reforms' change any of that?

[Theodore]

The Justice Department can effectively be cited for malfeasance or ignoring a direct order from the NLRB and, as such, will become a co-accessory for non implementation of a binding NLRB decision.

Thus an appeal to the US Supreme Court would result in a decision to make both: labor unions as well as corporations, be responsible for their non implementation of NLRB binding decisions. Appropriate penalties and jail sentences should then be handed out to the law breaking civil litigants as well as law breaking governmental litigants.

The buck would stop directly on the steps of the Supreme Court.

[idiom]

The Justice Department can effectively be cited for malfeasance or ignoring a direct order from the NLRB and, as such, will become a co-accessory for non implementation of a binding NLRB decision.

Thus an appeal to the US Supreme Court would result in a decision to make both: labor unions as well as corporations, be responsible for their non implementation of NLRB binding decisions. Appropriate penalties and jail sentences should then be handed out to the law breaking civil litigants as well as law breaking governmental litigants.

The buck would stop directly on the steps of the Supreme Court.

Assuming you have standing and the Supreme Court deigns to hear you and the entire government doesn't just decide to ignore you because you are not putting enough money in the right pockets.

Every problem you are identifying is a problem that is thwarting your solutions. If government corruption is the problem then more government power is not going to resolve it.

[heavenlyboy34]

Assuming you have standing and the Supreme Court deigns to hear you and the entire government doesn't just decide to ignore you because you are not putting enough money in the right pockets.

Every problem you are identifying is a problem that is thwarting your solutions. If government corruption is the problem then more government power is not going to resolve it.

+rep

[Theodore]

Both the National Labor Relations Board as well as the US Supreme Court are ongoing branches of the Federal government - there are no new additions of the US government to implement this method of civil arbitration. All we need are fair and unbiased practitioners who see to it that the facts are presented at arbitration time.

[TheTexan]

All we need is Obama to follow the constitution and we're $#@!ing set, that's not happening

[Professor8000]

What we need is for the individuals of this country to realize that it is their support of the mafia via the protection money they pay to them every year is prolonging the problems we see in society. Typical of the mafia is that if you do not pay them to protect you they become the very problem they wish to be paid to protect against. I do not favor ceding such an organization even more of my power. I don't particularly favor ceding them any power.

[EcoWarrier]

So you are saying land can be moved around then? But you just said it can't be moved around...

I know you are no brain box but look at the definition of land I gave. It wasn't difficult.
You cannot take cheap desert land to Manhattan. Get it?

[Bman]

When you say "more government," what you're really saying is "more community." You believe that businessmen and investors should be allowed to just do whatever they want, regardless of what the community says (even if they say, "Hey! We don't abuse our workers in this country!"

Maybe if the businessmen don't want the community telling them what to do, maybe THEY should go somewhere else! Hahahaha!

Maybe you should grow a set and start that bottom up company you dream of. You want to cry about what you don't have. Change perspective and figure out what you do have. Rome wasn't built in a day and crying about your job without the guts to go for it will earn you little sympathy from me.

[idiom]

I know you are no brain box but look at the definition of land I gave. It wasn't difficult.
You cannot take cheap desert land to Manhattan. Get it?

Well you could, but its not worth the effort. Instead you take the businesses to the desert to avoid the rent.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/48472204

[-C-]

We quit bullshitting as a species and terraform/develop the desert into something worth living in.

and to the OP, we need Glass-Steagall to be re-inacted to force separation of commercial and investment/merchant banks. The government must have sovereign control over money, as proscribed by Article 1 Section 8. This is really the only way to ensure the "private" money doesn't ingulf the government. I mean how many Goldmann Sachs employees have worked for the Bush/Obama administration? Both in the Treasury and as direct economic advisors. The Political Economy is how the world is ran, for better or worse....for development of sovereign people or for war.

[heavenlyboy34]

We quit bullshitting as a species and terraform/develop the desert into something worth living in.

and to the OP, we need Glass-Steagall to be re-inacted to force separation of commercial and investment/merchant banks. The government must have sovereign control over money, as proscribed by Article 1 Section 8. This is really the only way to ensure the "private" money doesn't ingulf the government. I mean how many Goldmann Sachs employees have worked for the Bush/Obama administration? Both in the Treasury and as direct economic advisors. The Political Economy is how the world is ran, for better or worse....for development of sovereign people or for war.

What do you have against private, competing currencies? Why is it bad that private, sound money "engulf" the government? I personally don't trust the government with the money supply at all.

[Theodore]

Idiom:

I visited your website and surfed to this very interesting segment:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/23937480

Both informative and entertaining, thanks … Theodore

[LibertyRevolution]

I'm going to give you a piece of advice that my first boss gave me.
From the bread delivery route owner I was a ride along for:
"As long as you work for someone else, your just an option. You will be replaced as soon as they can find someone who will do it cheaper."
Keep this in mind when being an employee.
There is no point in giving 100%, or being the best employee, if they can find someone to do it cheaper, your gone.