John Taylor
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LOL. I'll be honest. I didn't read through the entire article. I got everything I wanted from the headline. I did see this looking back at it. Mexico elected a female president. Pakistan chose a female prime minister — in 1988. There are, or have been, women elected as heads of state and government in Honduras, Turkey, India, Bangladesh, the Philippines, Guyana, Ireland, Britain, Israel and Germany. Throw a dart anywhere on a world map and she’s there, or has been there, leading nations and governments that Americans often label as inferior or intolerant. From the perspective of those who see Trump as a danger to democracy, this election marks an incredibly dark turn for our nation. I won’t cry “fraud” or “vote-rigging” — that’s a MAGA thing. But I will blame some of my sorrow over the outcome of this election on Karens. These women weren’t hiding their vote for Harris from their Trump-loving husbands. They were hiring a supervisor who understands entitlement. Note when name women elected to head of state she did not mention Margaret Thatcher. I wonder why?

You were right. I was wrong. I admit it. What's an "AWFUL?"

:rolleyes: No it doesn't! I actually had access to death records doing medical research. You have no idea what you're talking about. Yes you have to be careful with the records, but a researcher working under an IRB can get access. And on top of that, how do you think state's attorneys general are able to purge records of dead people? You don't think Trump could find a single Republican AG in the entire country to look into this?

No comparison! A marine is taught the rear naked choke as a part of his lethal hand to hand training program. See: You can't compare a freak accident to ways a particular person has been specifically trained to kill in a particular way.

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=How+researchers+are+able+to+access+confidential+death+records

I'm going by the stat, not by the article. Supposedly white women were going to break hard for Kamala Harris over abortion. That just didn't happen.

It's irrelevant to the question of why were there more votes overall. We're not talking about the run of the mill, someone voted in New York and then voted in Florida. We're talking about 10 million that (maybe) didn't vote in 2024 who "voted" in 2020. And I say "maybe" because as someone else pointed out, votes are still being added to the tally. While these are not swing states and can't change the electoral vote they could change the popular vote. https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=how+to+obtain+death+records+for+reearch

On moral grounds I sympathize far more than Daniel Penny than I do George Zimmerman or Kyle Rittenhouse. On legal grounds Zimmerman and Rittenhouse had stronger arguments. Was the chokehold on for 15 minutes or under 2 minutes? That's the question for me.

And she thinks Kamala "Willie Brown's Mistress" Harris is "scandal free." I don't agree with her analysis. But the facts are all so obvious. Michelle Obama and Kamala Harris trying to make this election about abortion didn't win the white woman vote.

Very good point. I didn't think of that.

If your "process" is to cheat, it's impossible to elimiate all vulnerabilities of getting caught. The "Let's through up our hands and pretend we can't do anything but look at the raw numbers of voter participation between elections and ignore the very real circumstances that can explain the difference in the numbers and just yell voter fraud" argument is not sound.

Cross reference the 10 million with death certificates. If you find a significant number were dead prior to 2020, there you go. You've actually made this easier not harder to check. As for elderly people, they are the ones most likely to have legitimately voted abstentee. Ummm....NO! There's absolutely no reason for someone to lie about this. But say if someone does? It's impossible for there to be 10 million people who didn't vote but knew ahead of time that they needed to lie and say that they did vote. So say 50% lie. That's still 5 million people that will say "No I didn't vote in 2020" when the records show they did. Okay. So take 20% of the 50% and you still have 2 million people that should say "I don't remember voting in 2020" and you can go from there.

Yes. And there was universal mail in voting in 2020. And Democrats took advantage and voted from home. Republicans by and large did not. Hence the spike.

:rolleyes: The explanation is there was general anger in the country and voting was made easier than ever before through universal mail in voting. I've already explained how if there is actual fraud that could easily be proven by making phone calls to the people who, according to the records, voted in 2020 but not 2024. But I get it. If people actually took the time to verify the conspiracy theory and were wrong then it would go away and that wouldn't be as fun.

Of course. But... I already explained how to check this. All states keep records of who votes in every election. And they have to give you that information. That's how polsters come up with their "likely voter" lists, how candidates get signatures for ballot access, and how parties determine who's a "bona fide" democrat or republican. (In Tennessee anyway the GOP determines that if you voted in the last 3 GOP primaries.) So using that list you can contact voters who, according to the records, voted in 2020 and not 2024 and simply ask them "Did you vote in 2020?" If there was ballot stuffing of people who were on the rolls but didn't vote that will show up. It's not like 10 million people who votes were cast for them without their knowledge or consent will be clued in to lie and say "Oh yeah. I voted in 2020" when they really didn't.

Well, neither Tucker Carlson nor Joe Rogan pushed Trump on Operation Warp Speed, so I doubt anyone will actually hold Trump accountable.

Non story in the "OMG it MUST be voter fraud" variety. :rolleyes: So all of those other times when voter turnout was even HIGHER there MUST have been voter fraud? Because that's basically the argument. Let's just ignore all other possible explanations other that "the election was stolen" without any attempt at checking the voter rolls first and doing a survey of voters who, according to the rolls, voted in 2020 but not 2024 and see if anything shakes out. :rolleyes: Maybe, just maybe, if you make it super easy to mail in vote, more people vote.

Did he ever give an update on why he didn't prosecute Hillary Clinton? Was he just joking? Maybe he'll do things differently now that he's been prosecuted himself though.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to PAF again.

Riiiiiight. You'll be saying the same thing 4 years from now.

:rolleyes: Bob Dole was running in the 1800s? Because that's where you see the biggest drop. You're grasping at straws. And if you don't think Kamala Harris was "such a bad candidate" you are really kidding yourself in order to keep your conspiracy theory alive. The whole world was talking about Kamala's "word salad" answers to questions. Muslim voters mad at Gaza either said they weren't voting or some even endorsed Trump. It was all in the news before the election that Democrats were concerned black men would not turn out for Kamala Harris, even to the point of Barack Obama "scolding" black men, and we didn't. Bob Dole was a much better candidate than Kamala Harris. She was her own voter suppression.

Okay. My problems with Nate's analysis. 1) He keeps calling this a headlock. It IS a chokehold! That's not "media spin." It's possible to put someone in a headlock where you don't have a chokehold. This is an example. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5fBDIWB0mp0 Does that mean Daniel Penny was TRYING to choke Jordan Neely to death? Nope. But he clearly had Jordan in a rear naked choke. A white belt in BJJ would know that. Anyone who is even a casual MMA fan would know that. 2) We (or at least I) do NOT have all of the information we need. I've yet to see the full 15 minute video. When in the span of 15 minutes did Jordan Neeley go limp? How quickly did Daniel Penny release the chokehold and attempt to revive Jordon? 3) At 6:30 Nate says that prosecutors have to show that Daniel Penny knew there was a risk that Jordan could die from that hold and he ignored that risk. Ummmm...how could he not know? Daniel is a marine. Marines are taught how to kill using that hold. That's like saying "I didn't think there was a risk to pointing a loaded gun at someone." Of course, even if you don't intend to kill someone, there is a risk. If that's all prosecutors have to prove then God bless Daniel Penny. 4) Yeah...I was wondering why the other two who were restraining Jordan weren't charged. But it's not as simple as a question of race as Nate tries to make it seem. Daniel Penny had training on the rear naked choke. The other passengers who were holding Jordan's arms may not have had that training. So did they know the risk of a rear naked choke? It's possible they didn't.

And yet Trump didn't pardon Assange did he? Assange had to wait for Biden to strike a deal with him. Yeah....I heard that before. Trump promised to "lock her up" (Hillary Clinton) and didn't deliver.

:rolleyes: And yet Bill Clinton won both with the spike in turnout and the drop in turnout. You're grasping at straws. You see bigger spikes and dips in turnout going all the way back to 1789. https://www.electproject.org/national-1789-present Anti Federalist, this is a non story.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Occam's Banana again I wonder if she's married or seeing anybody?

Candace Owens approves. 1854324688329089371

I'll check it out later and give my thoughts in that thread. James Corbett and Whitney Webb are two of the best conspiracy realists in the business.

Higher than average voter turnout for 2020 was reported way back in 2021. See: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/turnout-in-2020-spiked-among-both-democratic-and-republican-voting-groups-new-census-data-shows/ Possible reasons for the higher turnout? 1) Nationwide there was no questions asked abstentie voting. So all of a sudden voting was super convenient. 2) Nationwide mass protests and civil unrest natutually resulted in higher voter turnout. The 2020 turnout level while high, is not unprecedented. From the above linked article.