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    SCOTUS votes 7-2 to Keep Obamacare Individual Mandate

    The Supreme Court on Thursday ruled against Texas and other Republican-led states seeking to strike down Obamacare in the law’s latest test before the nation’s highest court.

    The top court voted 7-2 to reverse an appeals court ruling that had struck down the law’s individual mandate provision.

    Justice Stephen Breyer, who authored the opinion of the court, said that Texas and the other states that challenged the law failed to show that they were harmed by it. In legal terms, the states failed to demonstrate that they had standing.

    “Neither the individual nor the state plaintiffs have shown that the injury they will suffer or have suffered is ‘fairly traceable’ to the ‘allegedly unlawful conduct’ of which they complain,” Breyer wrote.
    More...https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/obam...challenge.html
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    Do I understand correctly that their reasoning for the lack of standing is dependent on the removal of the fines attached to the individual mandate, i.e. that the individual mandate doesn't harm anyone since there's no punishment for violating it?

    If so, then at the same time as ruling in favor of the mandate, it's also a rule in favor of keeping the mandate unenforceable. I'm not sure if this is really a win for the mandate if it comes with that string attached.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    Do I understand correctly that their reasoning for the lack of standing is dependent on the removal of the fines attached to the individual mandate, i.e. that the individual mandate doesn't harm anyone since there's no punishment for violating it?

    If so, then at the same time as ruling in favor of the mandate, it's also a rule in favor of keeping the mandate unenforceable. I'm not sure if this is really a win for the mandate if it comes with that string attached.
    Even if it's not legally enforceable, companies like Turbo Tax will probably do their part to make it as enforced as possible
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    Justice Stephen Breyer, who authored the opinion of the court, said that Texas and the other states that challenged the law failed to show that they were harmed by it. In legal terms, the states failed to demonstrate that they had standing.
    Hmmm. Struck down on a technicality. So they never really address the question. Can the government force you to purchase a product?

    And IIRC, Obamacare resulted in quite a few administrative and bureaucratic costs to the states. Is that not harm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Even if it's not legally enforceable, companies like Turbo Tax will probably do their part to make it as enforced as possible
    One of the reasons they didn't have standing was because Trump signed a law making the fine $0. So it sounds like the fine of $0 will be enforced. The articles say the case was about the individual mandate, but then they say that states like Texas were trying to strike down the whole law using the individual mandate portion, that covers things like pre-existing conditions, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Hmmm. Struck down on a technicality. So they never really address the question. Can the government force you to purchase a product?

    And IIRC, Obamacare resulted in quite a few administrative and bureaucratic costs to the states. Is that not harm?
    the way i see it is 7 of them think that is ok
    Do something Danke

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    So nice to have seven leftists on the court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt4Liberty View Post
    So nice to have seven leftists on the court.
    Including two of Trump's three appointees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    Including two of Trump's three appointees.
    Do you know what confirmations are?
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    They asked for this when they rejected the election fraud cases.
    I think that perhaps Thomas took the wrong side in this case as part of their recent trend of trying to prove they are not partisan, he saw they had 5 or more votes anyway so he switched sides to show his vote couldn't be predicted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    Including two of Trump's three appointees.
    Do you know what confirmations are?
    Confused. Are you saying that you expected the Senate to protect you from Trump's nominations?
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    After FDR threatened the judges all his fascist policies were found to be …..constitutional

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voluntarist View Post
    Confused. Are you saying that you expected the Senate to protect you from Trump's nominations?
    You think they would have confirmed the Judge?
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    But but but vote cuz SCOTUS!?!?!

    Quote Originally Posted by Contumacious View Post
    After FDR threatened the judges all his fascist policies were found to be …..constitutional
    I see this shill account is resurfacing again....

    FDR? Fascist? Uh, most of the New Deal was straight out of the Communist Manifesto and springboarded from the biggest plank, a Central Bank, in the wake of the new Central Bank engineering a Depression. Granted, there's no much difference between fascism and communism (Nazi "fascists" were national socialists...it's still all authoritarian centralization of money and therefore control regardless of which -ism is applied, the revolving door between public and private should be obvious by now) but it's plain as day that New Deal policies were communist planks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    What a load of treasonous bull$#@!.

    What SCOTUS did here was keep the door shut on the states in a far broader way, reaching way past Obammycare. This was a message to the states and everyone in them as to who is really in charge here. Those sever justices should be hanging from their lifeless necks for this. Sadly, we Americans are gone way too far down the pussy highway to see to it that proper measures are taken to correct this felony against America.

    That all aside. this leave the door wide open for reformulating the individual mandate some time down the road.

    We have been betrayed yet again, and boy and how did I ever pooch in my opinion that Amy Barrett was anything better than a garden slug. I'd pull the lever on her myownself if someone would convict her.

    Can't trust anyone these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    But but but vote cuz SCOTUS!?!?!



    I see this shill account is resurfacing again....

    FDR? Fascist? Uh, most of the New Deal was straight out of the Communist Manifesto and springboarded from the biggest plank, a Central Bank, in the wake of the new Central Bank engineering a Depression. Granted, there's no much difference between fascism and communism (Nazi "fascists" were national socialists...it's still all authoritarian centralization of money and therefore control regardless of which -ism is applied, the revolving door between public and private should be obvious by now) but it's plain as day that New Deal policies were communist planks.
    True,

    The ultimate goal was communism

    But in the Communist Manifesto Mark suggested that a free country must go through an interim process - fascism - the boiling frog syndrome step :

    "The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the state…"


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    Never have complied. Never will comply.



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