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    Post Highly contagious India COVID variant spreading rapidly in the US, now 7% of new cases

    If this is accurate data, would that mean travel bans like the one placed by Biden earlier are not that effective in stopping such variants?

    Update:
    NY Post and other media have now started using the new name for this variant, that makes media reporting bit less hypocritical:

    July 7, 2021
    Delta variant makes up majority of US COVID cases for first time: CDC
    nypost.com/2021/07/07/delta-variant-makes-up-majority-of-us-covid-cases-for-first-time-cdc/


    19 June, 2021
    Officials in the United Kingdom are reporting that 99% of new coronavirus cases are the India, or Delta, variant. Over 33,000 were identified over the past week, a 79% increase over the prior week.
    According to the latest data, 89.3% of Muscovites (recently) diagnosed with COVID-19 have the mutated, so-called Delta or Indian variant," the news agency TASS quoted Sobyanin as saying on state television.

    Three-day COVID travel ban in force in Lisbon as Delta variant spreads
    June 18 (Reuters)
    Portugal, population 10 million, posted over 1,000 new COVID-19 cases for the third day in a row on Friday and the number of daily infections are back to late February levels, when the country was still under lockdown.

    In China’s latest outbreak, doctors say the infected get sicker, faster.

    As the Delta variant of the coronavirus spreads in southeastern China, doctors say they are finding that the symptoms are different and more dangerous than those they saw when the initial version of the virus started spreading in late 2019 in the central city of Wuhan.
    Patients are becoming sicker and their conditions are worsening much more quickly, doctors told state-run television on Thursday and Friday. Four-fifths of symptomatic cases developed fevers, they said, although it was not clear how that compared with earlier cases. The virus concentrations that are detected in their bodies climb to levels higher than previously seen, and then decline only slowly, the doctors said.
    Up to 12 percent of patients become severely or critically ill within three to four days of the onset of symptoms, said Guan Xiangdong, director of critical care medicine at Sun Yat-sen University in the city of Guangzhou, where the outbreak has been centered. In the past, the proportion had been 2 percent or 3 percent
    Doctors in Britain and Brazil have reported similar trends with the variants that circulated in those countries
    The testimonies from China are the latest indication of the dangers posed by Delta, which the World Health Organization last month labeled a “variant of concern.” First identified this spring in India, where it was blamed for widespread suffering and death, Delta has since become the dominant variant in Britain, where doctors suggest that it is more contagious and may infect some people who have received only one of two doses of a Covid-19 vaccine.
    nytimes.com/2021/06/12/world/china-covid-delta-variant-guangzhou.html


    Highly contagious India COVID variant spreading rapidly in the US

    By Jackie Salo
    June 1, 2021

    India's COVID-19 tally passes 28 million

    The highly contagious COVID-19 variant that first emerged in India is spreading at a rapid rate in the US — and now makes up 7 percent of new cases, data shows.
    The dramatic rise of the B.1.617.2 variant comes after it accounted for only 1 percent of new cases stateside at the start of May, according to a report from Outbreak.info.
    The data revealed that the variant, which experts suspect is 60 percent more transmissible, reached its high of 7 percent of samples sequenced on May 26.
    The World Health Organization last week classified the variant as being one of global concern and requiring heightened tracking and analysis.

    nypost.com/2021/06/01/highly-contagious-indian-covid-variant-spreads-rapidly-in-us/



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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    If this is accurate data, would that mean travel bans like the one placed by Biden earlier are not that effective in stopping such variants?
    Not is the variants are Caused by the Genetically Modified test subjects.

    Half the us Population are suspect.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Cases of a dangerous Covid-19 variant are 'rapidly increasing' in US, expert says

    By Aya Elamroussi, CNN
    Wed June 16, 2021



    (CNN)As US states lift more coronavirus restrictions, experts are worried people who aren't fully vaccinated could contribute to further spread of the virus.


    The Delta variant, first reported in India, currently accounts for nearly 10% of coronavirus cases in the US, according to the CDC.
    With concerns it could become the dominant strain soon, medical experts are underscoring the importance of full vaccination.
    "I'm worried about those who are unvaccinated," US Surgeon General Vivek Murthy told CNN Tuesday, noting the Delta variant "is rapidly increasing here in the United States."





    The CDC has determined the Delta variant is a "variant of concern," a designation given to strains of the virus that scientists believe are more transmissible or can cause more severe disease.

    The Delta variant "appears to be significantly more transmissible than even the Alpha variant or the UK variant, which is now dominant in the United States," Murthy told CNN.

    "The second reason it's concerning is that there is some data to indicate that it may in fact also be more dangerous, may cause more severe illness. That still needs to be understood more clearly, but these are two important concerns and they explain in part ... why this is become the dominant variant in the U.K., where over 90% of cases are the Delta variant," Murthy said.

    cnn.com/2021/06/16/health/us-coronavirus-wednesday/index.html






    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Not is the variants are Caused by the Genetically Modified test subjects.
    This is the age of data, this could be easily validated by examining variants spread in people/regions using mRNA vax vs non-vax'd / subunit vax'd. Although subunit vax like Novavax wasn't released yet for mass use, so data might be very limited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    [h=1] CNN
    Usual Propaganda is Highly suspect.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Usual Propaganda is Highly suspect.
    You have a point.
    Didn't add CNN fakenews disclaimer in this case as similar reports sourced to CDC and MSM experts are being published by many US/international news outlets. Ofcourse that isn't sayin much.

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    Just more scare tactics to try to get more people (and their kids) to get the jab.

    I'll wager 98% of the scared people already got the jab, so really these efforts aren't going to be effective for adults... But those same people may have children that haven't been jabbed - can't let them feel safe!
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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    You have a point.
    Didn't add CNN fakenews disclaimer in this case as similar reports sourced to CDC and MSM experts are being published by many US/international news outlets. Ofcourse that isn't sayin much.
    Well I have known about the Cold Mutating since High School Biology.

    and suddenly it is "news".
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

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    Hopefully this Biden statement is not like George Bush's famous 'read my lips, no new taxes' statement.

    H/T Drudge:

    BIDEN VOWS NO NEW LOCKDOWNS...
    SET TO MISS JULY 4 VAX TARGET...

    Biden Says India Variant is ‘Particularly Dangerous’ for Certain Groups


    By Anna Breuer on 19 June 2021
    Carnegie Hall in New York City

    President Joseph Biden said that the India, or Delta, variant of the coronavirus is of greater concern than previous mutations of the virus. “The data is clear: If you are unvaccinated, you’re at risk of getting seriously ill or dying or spreading it,” Biden said during a news conference at the White House. He said the variant “will leave unvaccinated people even more vulnerable than they were a month ago.”

    The India, or Delta, variant of the coronavirus is quickly becoming dominant in the United States, officials there said. “It’s more transmissible than the Alpha variant, or the UK variant, that we have here,” said Dr. Rochelle Wllensky told ABC News in an interview on Good Morning America Friday.

    As of Saturday morning, the world has recorded over 178.7 million Covid-19 cases and has seen 3.87 million deaths, according to Worldometer, a service that tracks such information. In addition, over 163.3 million people worldwide have recovered from the virus.

    In the United States, the death toll, which recently crossed the 600,000 mark, is now 616,924. Since the start of the pandemic the country has recorded over 34.4 million individual cases, a higher figure than any other country and second only to India which has seen 29.9 million cases.

    Officials in the United Kingdom are reporting that 99% of new coronavirus cases are the India, or Delta, variant. Over 33,000 were identified over the past week, a 79% increase over the prior week. “Cases are rising rapidly across the country and the Delta variant is now dominant,” said Jenny Harries, the UK Health Security Agency’s CEO.



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    The highly contagious COVID-19 variant that first emerged in India is spreading at a rapid rate in the US — and now makes up 7 percent of new cases, data shows.
    OMG! Hide under your beds! 7% of the 10 new cases a day in the US!
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    Delta Variant makes me wonder what became of "Alpha" "Beta" and "Charley" variants..

    Sounds more like an "Echo" variant,,

    and just wait for the next "F******" variant.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Delta Variant makes me wonder what became of "Alpha" "Beta" and "Charley" variants..

    Sounds more like an "Echo" variant,,

    and just wait for the next "F******" variant.
    "Delta" sounds official. It's just like "SARS Covid-2, the virus that causes covid-19" It sounds smart, when it is complete bull$#@!. Without getting into the argument on whether the virus is real, you either have a virus, or you don't. There's no virus that causes the virus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    OMG! Hide under your beds! 7% of the 10 new cases a day in the US!
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt4Liberty View Post
    "Delta" sounds official. It's just like "SARS Covid-2, the virus that causes covid-19" It sounds smart, when it is complete bull$#@!. Without getting into the argument on whether the virus is real, you either have a virus, or you don't. There's no virus that causes the virus.
    While these points would continue to be debated, impact/fear at large globally appears to be along same lines as was after the original 2019 variant surfaced in news headlines but at much smaller scale so far.
    Source again is media, news out of Europe and Russia could also be raising concerns in US:

    Jun 20, 2021

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhR2l4JyBf0

    businessinsider.com/delta-coronavirus-variant-strongest-threat-vaccinated-people-2021-6

    The Delta variant might pose the biggest threat yet to vaccinated people

    Aria Bendix
    Scientists have long worried about a coronavirus variant that's more dangerous than the original virus in three key ways: It would be more transmissible, result in more serious illness, and evade protection from existing vaccines.
    "The nightmare here is a variant that checks off all three boxes," said Bob Wachter, the chair of the Department of Medicine at the University of California, San Francisco.
    No prior variant, he said, has checked more than one or two. But the Delta variant, first identified in India in February, has come closest to checking all three.
    At the moment, Delta accounts for 10% of US coronavirus infections, but scientists expect it to become the dominant strain within weeks. Wachter said he would "start acting much more carefully" if Delta came to represent one out of every three or five COVID-19 cases in a given region.

    Gangrene and hearing loss show delta variant may be more severe
    In England and Scotland, early evidence suggests the strain — which is now dominant there — carries a higher risk of hospitalization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit;
    [B
    Gangrene and hearing loss show delta variant may be more severe[/B]
    In England and Scotland, early evidence suggests the strain — which is now dominant there — carries a higher risk of hospitalization.
    NO.. Socialized Corporate Medicine has a Higher risk of Malpractice.

    a Mutated Cold is still a Cold.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

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    It's all about Freedom

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    Although it seems like this variant still mainly gets called the Delta variant, it is interesting to observe that it also gets called the India variant, and there doesn't appear to be any moratorium in the media of attaching a geographic descriptor to it that way, like there is for such terms as the China Virus or the Wuhan Virus.
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
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    There is always going to be some new variant or virus. You can make the choice to just live your life normally and not worry about it or hide behind a mask, cower in fear in your home and get injected with their latestest concoctions. One guess what I will do.

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    Delta variant could be to blame for deadly COVID outbreak in Manatee


    Jun. 22, 2021
    BRADENTON, Fla. — The Manatee County Administration Building reopened as scheduled Monday morning, after an emergency shutdown was ordered Friday due to an outbreak of COVID-19 cases.
    In all, five employees of the IT department contracted the virus. Of that group, four were hospitalized and two died last week.
    That’s a 40% case fatality rate,” said Dr. Scott Hopes, the county administrator. “That’s a high fatality rate.”
    Epidemiologists and the Manatee County Health Department worked to contact trace and now they’re investigating if a variant of the virus may be to blame.
    baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2021/06/22/delta-variant-could-be-to-blame-for-deadly-covid-outbreak-in-manatee


    Hopefully there is some mistake, that's a shockingly high number.
    Almost all media covid headlines now are about the new variant or Biden missing July 4th vax target. Top rated White House scientist who is greatly cherished around here has also weighed in:


    Fauci declares delta variant ‘greatest threat’ to the nation’s efforts to eliminate Covid

    Tue, Jun 22 2021
    Key Points


    • White House chief medical advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci said Tuesday the highly contagious delta variant is the “greatest threat” to the nation’s attempt to eliminate Covid-19.
    • Delta, first identified in India, now makes up about 20% of all new cases in the United States, up from 10% about two weeks ago, Fauci said.


    He said delta appears to be “following the same pattern” as alpha, the variant first found in the U.K., with infections doubling in the U.S. about every two weeks.
    “Similar to the situation in the U.K., the delta variant is currently the greatest threat in the U.S. to our attempt to eliminate Covid-19,” he said.
    Fauci’s comments come after CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky on Friday urged Americans to get vaccinated against Covid, saying she expects delta to become the dominant coronavirus variant in the U.S.
    Studies suggest it is around 60% more transmissible than alpha, which was more contagious than the original strain that emerged from Wuhan, China, in late 2019
    cnbc.com/2021/06/22/fauci-declares-delta-variant-greatest-threat-to-the-nations-efforts-to-eliminate-covid.html


    Covid-19 Delta Variant Threatens to Set Back Europe’s Recovery
    The Delta variant of the coronavirus is spreading rapidly across continental Europe, raising the risk of a rebound in infections and a delay to the region's recovery.
    The Wall Street Journal June 22



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    Just remember, when vaccinated people start dropping dead, the excuse will be that it's from a variant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Just remember, when vaccinated people start dropping dead, the excuse will be that it's from a variant.
    and that variant was spread by the nonvaccinated will be their warcry.
    ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    Although it seems like this variant still mainly gets called the Delta variant, it is interesting to observe that it also gets called the India variant, and there doesn't appear to be any moratorium in the media of attaching a geographic descriptor to it that way, like there is for such terms as the China Virus or the Wuhan Virus.
    It’s because Biden and his bubble-headed bimbo sidekick are racist xenophobic fascists...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    and that variant was spread by the nonvaccinated will be their warcry.
    My unproven hypothesis is that the push to vaccinate everyone is so that in the future, there can never be a distinction made between vaccinated and unvaccinated. For example, if people start having adverse effects, if everyone is vaccinated, there would be no control group of unvaccinated people for comparison. Therefore, it could not be blamed on the vaccine.
    Last edited by Brian4Liberty; 06-25-2021 at 12:28 PM.
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    Here's what I don't understand about this... dangerous COVID mutants get the vaccine propaganda.
    I really hope that @enhanced_deficit can explain as these horror stories about Indian mutants make me so boohoo terrified that I almost volunteered to become a guinea pig for big pharma...


    When a coronavirus mutates, a new variant won't be a variant of "COVID-19", but of the (general) coronavirus.
    Coronaviruses have been around mutating causing the common cold for decades.

    If the coronavirus mutates yearly, into multiple variants like we have seen reports on the UK and India variants that suddenly emerged after the vaccination campaign began, they could never develop any vaccine (and test its efficacy) for the current variants of the mutating coronavirus.


    Here you can see that the COVID deaths in India started to rise only after the COVID vaccination campaign started, and if you click on the following link, you can see that the number of COVID deaths in India sharply dropped since 16 June: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/india

    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    This seems to confirm - once again - that COVID vaccines do more harm than good.
    By 14 April, more than 111 million people in India have already received one dose of the deadly COVID vaccines, and over 17 million people have been fully (twice) vaccinated

    The mass COVID vaccination campaign in India started in earnest around half March 2021.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00996-y

    At about the same time the number of COVID cases exploded...
    And the number of COVID-19 deaths spiked...
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    @FS, posting a news for discussion/dissection does not imply agreement. It started with discussion on Biden's travel ban impact on covid spread and shortly afterwards this variant news exploded in media. I've been mostly skeptical or agnostic about covid warp speed news and narratives and trying to learn about facts as well as healthy ways to boost immunity.
    This variant news have been quickly becoming top covid news in UK/US/world news and I view these with as much caution as I viewed 2019-20 Fauci-Pence-Trump CDC covid press releases and news. I don't know enough to say these are all fakenews or entirely factual but I try to be aware of what is being stated by almost all of US/CDC/world medical establishment to sift things through.
    Timing of this "dangerous" variant spreads worldwide does seem to match BIden's 4th July vax target, there wuld certainly be political motivation for US leaders. But can't be completely ignored either as Russia, Europe and other world leaders are also claiming similar trends.


    businessinsider.com/israel-50-of-delta-variant-cases-vaccinated-severe-2021-6

    June 25, 2021

    Israel says the Delta variant is infecting vaccinated people, representing as many as 50% of new cases. But they're less severe.
    Marianne Guenot


    • As many as half of new COVID-19 cases in Israel are vaccinated people, a health official suggested.
    • The Delta variant, not as easily beaten by vaccines as other variants, is driving Israel's surge.
    • Although Infections among vaccinated people have alarmed Israelis, the infections appear to be milder than they are in unvaccinated people.
    Israel renews indoor COVID mask mandate as delta variant spreads
    June 25, 2021
    Haaretz

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    I've been mostly skeptical or agnostic about covid warp speed news and narratives and trying to learn about facts as well as healthy ways to boost immunity.
    You know that the problem with "sarcasm" is that sometimes nobody seems to know what you're trying to say in your posts...
    In this thread you're posting these mainstream propaganda on the "pandemic" that argues that we should all be terrified for this delta COVID, so we should get vaxxed.

    At the same time none of these media point out that these supposed variants suddenly appeared AFTER the vaccination campaign started.
    Some conspiracy theorists (even reputable scientists) have argued that the COVID vaccine causes coronavirus mutants. That is not my opinion though. I believe people are dying BECAUSE of the vaccine, which in many cases is listed with COVID as the cause of death.


    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Israel says the Delta variant is infecting vaccinated people, representing as many as 50% of new cases. But they're less severe.
    Great, so now they say to take the COVID vaccines, because it "protects" against the Indian mutant COVID.

    But when (fully) vaccinated (95% effective) get infected it suddenly is not your "normal" COVID, but the Indian variant, and we should get vaxxed anyway.
    Does somebody hear the booster shots coming?
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    what happens when the spike protein mutates?

    Is the "spike protein" the primary attribute of the virus with regards to transmission?

    If a variant is displaying a greater rate of transmission, what is the likelihood that this is because of a mutated "spike protein"?

    What kind of selective pressures would be exerted by a therapy that functions by targeting a single aspect of a thing?
    Last edited by bv3; 06-25-2021 at 07:16 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Well I have known about the Cold Mutating since High School Biology.

    and suddenly it is "news".
    Yeah...except this cold has been bioengineered.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

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  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    You know that the problem with "sarcasm" is that sometimes nobody seems to know what you're trying to say in your posts...
    In this thread you're posting these mainstream propaganda on the "pandemic" that argues that we should all be terrified for this delta COVID, so we should get vaxxed.

    At the same time none of these media point out that these supposed variants suddenly appeared AFTER the vaccination campaign started.
    Some conspiracy theorists (even reputable scientists) have argued that the COVID vaccine causes coronavirus mutants. That is not my opinion though. I believe people are dying BECAUSE of the vaccine, which in many cases is listed with COVID as the cause of death.
    People were definitely dying before the vaccine. Some (many?) of those deaths were not really because of COVID but were still listed as such. But vaccinated people have also definitely died of COVID as well as have died from the vaccine itself. One nursing home that had no COVID deaths in 2021 had over 20 deaths in the first quarter of 2021 after the vaccine rollout in January.

    Great, so now they say to take the COVID vaccines, because it "protects" against the Indian mutant COVID.

    But when (fully) vaccinated (95% effective) get infected it suddenly is not your "normal" COVID, but the Indian variant, and we should get vaxxed anyway.
    Does somebody hear the booster shots coming?
    Of course. Why waste a potential phrama vaccine bonanza on a one shot (no pun intended) deal?
    9/11 Thermate experiments

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Yeah...except this cold has been bioengineered.
    Experienced,
    Was a test subject for weaponized Jungle Rot.

    I am still immune to athletes foot as a result.. but some guys lost toes.
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  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    You know that the problem with "sarcasm" is that sometimes nobody seems to know what you're trying to say in your posts...
    Yea it's a bad habit that I'm trying to break.


    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    At the same time none of these media point out that these supposed variants suddenly appeared AFTER the vaccination campaign started.
    Some conspiracy theorists (even reputable scientists) have argued that the COVID vaccine causes coronavirus mutants. That is not my opinion though. I believe people are dying BECAUSE of the vaccine, which in many cases is listed with COVID as the cause of death.
    Hope such theories are not implying that some hanky-panky study like below is taking place in 3rd world countries.
    I still find it hard to beleive that our top national leaders who are known to put America-First and called vax a life saving "christmas miracle" could knowingly mislead so many civilians.


    US apologizes for infecting Guatemalans with syphilis in 1940s study


    02 Oct 2010 | Posted by Alla Katsnelson | Category: Policy

    The US government issued a formal apology for a 1940s study on the efficacy of penicillin in which as many as 695 Guatemalan prisoners, insane asylum inmates, and soldiers were infected with syphilis.

    Study subjects were encouraged to pass the infection to others, and about a third never got fully treated, MSNBC reports.
    John Cutler, one of the researchers involved in that study went on to help conduct the infamous Tuskegee syphilis experiment, a long-term study of syphilis progression in African American sharecroppers in Alabama in which researchers deliberately did not treat subjects even after penicillin became available. Both studies received funding from the Public Health Service (now the Department of Health and Human Services).

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Why waste a potential phrama vaccine bonanza on a one shot (no pun intended) deal?
    I think that the main objectives of the "plandemic" is depopulation and finishing the surveillance state (including digital vaccine passports), with the financial aspects a distant third

    .
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    But vaccinated people have also definitely died of COVID as well as have died from the vaccine itself. One nursing home that had no COVID deaths in 2021 had over 20 deaths in the first quarter of 2021 after the vaccine rollout in January.
    I have seen several examples of a massive amount of nursing home residents dying shortly after the experimental COVID vaccines (preceding the Indian mutant media hysteria): Pfizer-vaccine-immune-deficiency-cover-up

    .
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    People were definitely dying before the vaccine. Some (many?) of those deaths were not really because of COVID but were still listed as such.
    You could think of me as a terrible "conspiracy theorist", but I believe that as we speak "invisible" smart weapons have been rolled out all over the developed world that would explain the massive amounts of care home residents (in recently renovated government buildings) dying before the vaccines.

    The COVID symptoms are indistinguishable from gas poisoning or radiation sickness: COVID-pandemic-smokescreen-for-radiation-sickness
    Do NOT ever read my posts. Google and Yahoo wouldn’t block them without a very good reason: Google-censors-the-world/page3

    The Order of the Garter rules the world: Order of the Garter and the Carolingian dynasty

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Experienced,
    Was a test subject for weaponized Jungle Rot.

    I am still immune to athletes foot as a result.. but some guys lost toes.
    Wow! You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to pcosmar again.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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