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    What is Organicism?

    The philosophy of organicism grew for me from architect Frank Lloyd Wright’s descriptions of organic architecture...I began extending the concept...I had thought I had in organicism a virtually new philosophy. I soon found that it was anything but. No one, however, had laid it out fully in the way I envisioned. No one had identified organicists, many of whom we know as geniuses, or enumerated the principles that unite them. While many individuals in various pursuits share a basic philosophy, no one to my knowledge, has applied it consistently to all areas of their life.

    Merriam-Webster defines organicism as “1) A complex structure of interdependent and subordinate elements whose relations and properties are largely determined by their function in the whole and 2) An individual constituted to carry on the activities of life by means of organs separate in function but mutually dependent: a living being.”

    Other dictionaries equate organicism with holism, a philosophy holding that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. If holism were synonymous with organicism it would have been called whole-ism not hole-ism.

    An individual idea or observation is as important as the larger whole it must fit into. But the whole is only tenable if the individual ideas or observations forming it are tenable. The whole is only useful if the smallest individual part is useful. The organicist is one who tests the strengths and worthiness of individual ideas and observations and fits them into larger ideas and observations, by reduction, expansion, and analogy...

    The distinction between the whole being as important as its constituent parts and not more is most vital when considering society. A society can only approach an ideal of peace and prosperity if individuals are respected. A healthy society requires individuals who think independently and deal with others on a voluntary basis. It is wrong for individuals to aggress against others and no concept of the common good makes it acceptable for the whole of society, i.e., the government to aggress against individuals.

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    I think your writing shows you have some budding understanding of a deep and important set of ideas in economics and libertarian thought. It's radically challenging to the stuff schoolmarms are pumping into kids, so I appreciate you putting your thoughts to text.

    It's nice to work through things and think about abstractions, but when you cast them into words you'll find that if you're sloppy at crafting individual sentences, another person may be reasonably interpret them as nonsense. Does reading this sentence -- slowly, carefully, reflecting on what it means -- parse into any kind of true statement for you?

    " The whole is only useful if the smallest individual part is useful."


    So if i add a non-useful part to a car like a cow-tit-milking-nozzle, this disables the car?

    How about some unneeded extra stitching to a backpack i'm sewing?

    How about a construction site with one worker out of commission with diarrhea?

    How about the average guidance counselor in a high school?

    Do those useless parts make the whole un-useful?
    Last edited by merkelstan; 04-22-2021 at 07:14 PM.

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    Alright you've got some descriptions there of stuff many, many people in the history of ideas have written about before.

    How about you start telling us what you've read, that delves into these themes. Because those thoughts aren't original. They're not wildly off the mark but I can better guide you to other writing if I know what you've read.

    Cheers.

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    " The whole is only useful if the smallest individual part is useful."

    That sentence is taken out of context, yet it can stand on its own, and that is organicism! Your examples tend towards the ridiculous, but they sort of make the point regardless.

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    Last edited by Meritocrat; 04-23-2021 at 01:56 AM.

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    There is no full treatise on organicism that I am aware of. Frank Lloyd Wright spoke about organic principles in architecture, Steve Jobs technology and Stefan Molyneux ethics. You will find the principles at work in the permaculture and nose to tail movements. I have written on literary organicism and organic education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merkelstan View Post
    I think your writing shows you have some budding understanding of a deep and important set of ideas in economics and libertarian thought. It's radically challenging to the stuff schoolmarms are pumping into kids, so I appreciate you putting your thoughts to text.

    It's nice to work through things and think about abstractions, but when you cast them into words you'll find that if you're sloppy at crafting individual sentences, another person may be reasonably interpret them as nonsense. Does reading this sentence -- slowly, carefully, reflecting on what it means -- parse into any kind of true statement for you?

    " The whole is only useful if the smallest individual part is useful."


    So if i add a non-useful part to a car like a cow-tit-milking-nozzle, this disables the car?

    How about some unneeded extra stitching to a backpack i'm sewing?

    How about a construction site with one worker out of commission with diarrhea?

    How about the average guidance counselor in a high school?

    Do those useless parts make the whole un-useful?
    Do I have just a budding understanding of a deep and important set of ideas in economics and libertarian thought? Do I need merkelstan's advice about crafting sentences? Where did you go? You started something then ran off before I could finish it. Actually I have written for several prominent magazines and newspapers, both mainstream and libertarian. I've written for two libertarian publications that Ron Paul wrote for and got an email from Ron Paul in response to one piece. I have been read by over 10 million people worldwide and have books that have been read around the world, including a novel that anticipated the election of Donald Trump by ten years. I've been developing these ideas about organicism for about ten years.

    It was easy to tell that the concepts were over your head because you made an appeal to ridicule. This is what the late night comedians like to do. It's an obvious tell.
    Last edited by Meritocrat; 04-28-2021 at 03:56 AM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Meritocrat View Post
    The philosophy of organicism grew for me from architect Frank Lloyd Wright’s descriptions of organic architecture...I began extending the concept...I had thought I had in organicism a virtually new philosophy. I soon found that it was anything but. No one, however, had laid it out fully in the way I envisioned. No one had identified organicists, many of whom we know as geniuses, or enumerated the principles that unite them. While many individuals in various pursuits share a basic philosophy, no one to my knowledge, has applied it consistently to all areas of their life.

    Merriam-Webster defines organicism as “1) A complex structure of interdependent and subordinate elements whose relations and properties are largely determined by their function in the whole and 2) An individual constituted to carry on the activities of life by means of organs separate in function but mutually dependent: a living being.”

    Other dictionaries equate organicism with holism, a philosophy holding that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. If holism were synonymous with organicism it would have been called whole-ism not hole-ism.

    An individual idea or observation is as important as the larger whole it must fit into. But the whole is only tenable if the individual ideas or observations forming it are tenable. The whole is only useful if the smallest individual part is useful. The organicist is one who tests the strengths and worthiness of individual ideas and observations and fits them into larger ideas and observations, by reduction, expansion, and analogy...

    The distinction between the whole being as important as its constituent parts and not more is most vital when considering society. A society can only approach an ideal of peace and prosperity if individuals are respected. A healthy society requires individuals who think independently and deal with others on a voluntary basis. It is wrong for individuals to aggress against others and no concept of the common good makes it acceptable for the whole of society, i.e., the government to aggress against individuals.

    Principles of Harmony
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    "Government" is naught but a mental construct, a script to which people meekly accept and play out their assigned roles by those with no authority to dictate such.

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    Organicism is giving the part equal value to the whole, having the attitude that the whole just won't work or be worth it if some part is not given the proper care or attention. This is consistent with how the word "organic" is used in our culture and in industry. He is an organic chef, he sources meat from local free range producers and uses every part of the animal from head to tail. He is an organic grower, he allows weeds and pests to cancel each other out rather than use harsh chemicals to try to keep them at bay...

    Does greater complexity make a thing less organic? Only if and when the complexities are illogical and superfluous. Greater complexity tends to make a thing less organic, only because there are more chances for illogical and superfluous elements to take hold.
    Last edited by Meritocrat; 04-28-2021 at 03:58 AM.

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    HEY BUDDY!
    DID YOU WRITE THIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by Meritocrat View Post
    " The whole is only useful if the smallest individual part is useful."
    If that's true, please answer me this question: yes/no

    If I add a non-useful part to a car like a cow-tit-milking-nozzle,
    does this disable the car?


    THANK YOU

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    Quote Originally Posted by merkelstan View Post
    HEY BUDDY!
    DID YOU WRITE THIS?



    If that's true, please answer me this question: yes/no

    If I add a non-useful part to a car like a cow-tit-milking-nozzle,
    does this disable the car?


    THANK YOU

    Yes, pal! Do you know what an appeal to ridicule fallacy is? Do you know why it doesn't deserve an answer? If you read the complete works of Aristotle do you think you might find an individual sentence that seems ponderous in isolation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meritocrat View Post
    Yes, pal! Do you know what an appeal to ridicule fallacy is? Do you know why it doesn't deserve an answer? If you read the complete works of Aristotle do you think you might find an individual sentence that seems ponderous in isolation?
    Well then you are the ridiculous person for answering "yes". In fact the car does still get you from a-to-b with a tit-milking nozzle attached to it.

    More generally, your sentence is nonsense. It's false. Many things manage to be useful despite having parts that are not useful. You know this. Everyone reading this knows this. Yet you puff up and put on airs when corrected, instead of saying "yeah, you were right" like a man with some honor. It's pathetic. And you've been called out on it.

    That's what happens when you try to double down with laughable, ridiculous flailing in an attempt to defend a stupid thing you wrote.
    Last edited by merkelstan; 04-29-2021 at 02:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merkelstan View Post
    Well then you are the ridiculous person for answering "yes". In fact the car does still get you from a-to-b with a tit-milking nozzle attached to it.

    More generally, your sentence is nonsense. It's false. Many things manage to be useful despite having parts that are not useful. You know this. Everyone reading this knows this. Yet you puff up and put on airs when corrected, instead of saying "yeah, you were right" like a man with some honor. It's pathetic. And you've been called out on it.

    That's what happens when you try to double down with laughable, ridiculous flailing in an attempt to defend a stupid thing you wrote.
    You are out of your depth, merelstan. You walked into a pool hall, saw someone doing something unusual with a pool cue and assumed he as amateur like yourself and challenged him to a game, then quietly slipped out the door when you saw he was a pro practicing a new move. You told an accomplished libertarian writer that he has "budding understanding" of libertarianism and needed to take more care in crafting sentences. Why not just admit you made a mistake? You commented too quickly without reading enough. Or, humbly ask for help to understanding better.

    I suggest you stay away from philosophical writings. Not every sentence is straight forward literal. And learn about appeal to ridicule fallacies because its an obvious tell that one does not get something.



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