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    Exclamation Feinstein introduces Senate Gun Ban: 205 models to be banned, mags over 10 rnds.

    Dianne Feinstein Introduces Ban on 205 Different ‘Assault Weapons’

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...sault-weapons/

    AWR Hawkins 12 Mar 2021

    Following Thursday’s House passage of a Democrat gun control bill, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) introduced a ban on 205 “assault weapons.”

    The legislation, called the “Assault Weapons Ban of 2021,” is co-sponsored by 34 Senate Democrats. It would also ban ammunition magazines holding more than ten rounds.

    Feinstein’s ban would allow current owners of “assault weapons” to retain possession of them, but if the gun is transferred, a person must undergo an FBI background check before receiving the firearm.

    Her “Assault Weapons Ban” also bans bump stocks, which have been illegal since March 26, 2019.

    Feinstein announced her ban stating:

    It’s been 17 years since the original Assault Weapons Ban expired, and the plague of gun violence continues to grow in this country. To be clear, this bill saves lives. When it was in place from 1994-2004, gun massacres declined by 37 percent compared with the decade before. After the ban expired, the number of massacres rose by 183 percent.

    In contrast, the Department of Justice’s National Institute of Justice (NIJ) issued a report indicating the 1994 “assault weapons” ban did not reduce crime.

    The Washington Times quoted University of Pennsylvania professor Christopher Koper, author of the NIJ report, saying, “We cannot clearly credit the ban with any of the nation’s recent drop in gun violence. And, indeed, there has been no discernible reduction in the lethality and injuriousness of gun violence.”

    The NIJ report continued, “The ban’s effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement.”
    According to government's own numbers, over half a MILLION people are dead, just in the US alone, because of a man made virus designed to be even more deadly than what would be found in nature, released, possibly on purpose, from a Chinese lab, a virus that that was created from funding and prior research given to the Chinese scientists by our own government because we, in fit of sanity, pulled the plug on funding here.



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    A BILL

    https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/pub...an-of-2021.pdf

    To regulate assault weapons, to ensure that the right to keep and bear arms is not unlimited,

    ( the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed. - AF)

    ...


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    According to government's own numbers, over half a MILLION people are dead, just in the US alone, because of a man made virus designed to be even more deadly than what would be found in nature, released, possibly on purpose, from a Chinese lab, a virus that that was created from funding and prior research given to the Chinese scientists by our own government because we, in fit of sanity, pulled the plug on funding here.

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    Feinstein needs to $#@!ing retire already.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

  5. #4
    Well, let's see.

    The average magazine swap time for a non-expert shooter is 2-3 seconds. In the case of the Newtown Sandy Hook massacre, the murderer performed 10 magazine changes, or about 30 of the ~600 seconds that lapsed from him entering the building to when the police arrived. A 10-round restriction would have raised it to only 46 seconds and thus would have saved nobody.

    As far as the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban goes: Murder rates were 19.3% higher when the Federal assault weapons ban was in force. Also, the ban covered only 1.39% of the models of firearms on the market, so the ban’s effectiveness is automatically limited.

    And of course, the most important point: Shall NOT be infringed!
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    $#@!ing commies everywhere .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    $#@!ing commies everywhere .
    But it is exactly why Kalashnikov designed a simple rifle,,that could be built anywhere.

    that concept could benefit from new minds,, and inspiration.
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    It's fine because rubber bands exist
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    The sub2000 is an AR rifle?


    The list is completely nutty.
    "The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Survival trumps liberty every time
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    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Her “Assault Weapons Ban” also bans bump stocks, which have been illegal since March 26, 2019. useless since they were invented...
    FTFT (Fixed That For Them)...
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    A lot of those are legitimately useful hunting rifles (hog hunting etc) and are thus protected under the 2nd amendment
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    They can introduce all the bills they want. They won't get 60 votes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    They can introduce all the bills they want. They won't get 60 votes.
    Yeah, that is true. And that is why they have said they will pass it and other Bills by ending the filibuster or somehow sidestepping it using some technicalities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    A lot of those are legitimately useful hunting rifles (hog hunting etc) and are thus protected under the 2nd amendment
    Hog Hunting=legitimate.

    Noted.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Hog Hunting=legitimate.

    Noted.
    Some hog hunts, are more dangerous than others .
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    A lot of those are legitimately useful hunting rifles (hog hunting etc) and are thus protected under the 2nd amendment
    and goose hunting saiga 12
    Do something Danke



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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Some hog hunts, are more dangerous than others .
    Understood.

    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    Yeah, that is true. And that is why they have said they will pass it and other Bills by ending the filibuster or somehow sidestepping it using some technicalities.
    Bingo...

    It will "reconcile" with HR127 for instance:


    HR127: It’s Your Money or Your Guns

    https://www.rallyforourrights.com/hr...-or-your-guns/

    Posted on February 4, 2021 by Mario Acevedo

    HR127: It’s Your Money or Your Guns

    HR 127 has been called “The Gun Apocalypse” and for good reason. Introduced by Congresswoman Sheila Jackson D-TX, this bill is formally known as the Sabika Sheikh Firearm Licensing and Registration Act. What HR127 ultimately does is wipe out the Second Amendment by making gun ownership unaffordable for all but the most affluent. Which is clearly the intent.

    It’s ironic that the Democrats who preach criminal justice reform aren’t hesitating, with the stroke of a pen, to turn millions of law-abiding Americans into felons, punishing them with onerous fines and years of incarceration. Despite this, nothing in HR127 will disarm one violent criminal or reduce the gun homicide rampaging through our cities.

    There is much about this bill that makes it unworkable and impractical but for the moment, I’ll focus the discussion on what it will cost your wallet.

    Pony up, Mr. Gun Owner

    This bill requires that every applicant for a gun license must first pay $800 to the US Attorney General for liability insurance
    . Never mind that as a gun owner, if you have homeowner’s or renter’s insurance, you already have gun accident insurance under the plan’s liability umbrella coverage. This requirement begs many questions such as, what experience does the AG have in managing insurance? How will claims be processed? Does this insurance protect a gun owner against law suits? Does this insurance cover legal expenses? There remain more questions and I’ll turn back to those later.

    You’ll also be required to take 24 hours of training to include live firing training. Maybe you can find such training at $50 per hour so you’re talking $1200, minimum.

    You want a gun? You must be crazy!

    HR127 requires that every gun owner and member of the household undergo an evaluation by a licensed psychologist. Plus, this psychologist must interview any former spouses as well as at least two other family members or associates. Since the standards for these required evaluations are as yet not available, it’s difficult to determine how much they will cost but a reasonable estimate is $1000 each. Assuming three in your household, that’s at least $3000. Add another $1000 for the interviews—another estimate—and we’re talking $4000.

    Also consider that HR127 mentions that these licensed psychologists must be approved by the AG. An Internet search shows about 100K licensed psychologists in the country and not every of them will be approved. Consider the evaluations required of gun owners and members of their households plus interviews with the ex’s and associates, that means less than 100K psychologists will be conducting hundreds of millions of evaluations and interviews. By what deadline? Those psychologists already have full schedules so we’re expecting them to take on such an avalanche of new clients on top of that? This situation will create a seller’s market of insane proportions. With that in mind, who knows what you’ll pay for a shrink’s time.

    Speaking of pay…who will pay for these evaluations and interviews?

    Not the AG, but you.

    The psychological evaluation is offered with the premise it will be an accurate predictor of who should or shouldn’t have a gun. But in truth, those giving such evals, highly trained psychologists and psychiatrists, have a miserable record at protecting public safety. The shooters at Thousand Oaks, the Aurora Theater, and the Parkland high school had all been extensively evaluated for exhibiting dangerous behavior prior to the shootings, and yet nothing was done to prevent the ensuing massacres. And sadly, the increasing rate of suicides in this country shows that mental health professionals don’t have a firm grasp at preventing fatal self-harm.

    If there is a hint that the AG’s licensed psychologists may bear any liability for a misdiagnosis, then expect the Catch 22 of HR127 to kick in:

    We must keep the mentally disturbed from getting a gun

    ….and only the mentally disturbed would want a gun.

    HR127: By the Number$$

    How much will HR127 cost you, the law-abiding gun owner, to keep your property? Factor in fees (also unspecified) for the registration of each gun (don’t forget ammo), the permit application, and the permit itself so a lowball estimate for the first gun is:

    Insurance: $800
    Training: $1200
    Psyche eval: $4000
    Fees: ???

    Total: $6000+

    The AG’s Money Grab

    Let’s return to the insurance. Assuming 75 million gun owners in this country, let’s say 25 million won’t pay this extortion and thus give up their guns. That means 50 million will jump through the financial hoops. The simple math of 50 million gun owners times $800 each means $40 billion of your money will slosh into the coffers of the AG. That’s a lot of cash. Substantially more than the entire 2020 budget for the US Department of Justice ($29.9B). What happens to all that money? Does it remain in an insurance portfolio…managed by whom? Or does that money get lost in a slush fund?

    Currently, every state in the union is experiencing an alarming surge in gun homicide, mostly because of gang and drug-related shootings aggravated by the pandemic lockdowns. Is anyone naive enough to think that any criminal will subject themselves to the provisions of this bill considering they’re not supposed to have guns to begin with? Tragically, HR127 will do nothing to protect anyone from violent crime or make our streets any safer.
    According to government's own numbers, over half a MILLION people are dead, just in the US alone, because of a man made virus designed to be even more deadly than what would be found in nature, released, possibly on purpose, from a Chinese lab, a virus that that was created from funding and prior research given to the Chinese scientists by our own government because we, in fit of sanity, pulled the plug on funding here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Bingo...

    It will "reconcile" with HR127 for instance:


    HR127: It’s Your Money or Your Guns

    https://www.rallyforourrights.com/hr...-or-your-guns/

    Posted on February 4, 2021 by Mario Acevedo

    HR127: It’s Your Money or Your Guns

    HR 127 has been called “The Gun Apocalypse” and for good reason. Introduced by Congresswoman Sheila Jackson D-TX, this bill is formally known as the Sabika Sheikh Firearm Licensing and Registration Act. What HR127 ultimately does is wipe out the Second Amendment by making gun ownership unaffordable for all but the most affluent. Which is clearly the intent.

    It’s ironic that the Democrats who preach criminal justice reform aren’t hesitating, with the stroke of a pen, to turn millions of law-abiding Americans into felons, punishing them with onerous fines and years of incarceration. Despite this, nothing in HR127 will disarm one violent criminal or reduce the gun homicide rampaging through our cities.

    There is much about this bill that makes it unworkable and impractical but for the moment, I’ll focus the discussion on what it will cost your wallet.

    Pony up, Mr. Gun Owner

    This bill requires that every applicant for a gun license must first pay $800 to the US Attorney General for liability insurance
    . Never mind that as a gun owner, if you have homeowner’s or renter’s insurance, you already have gun accident insurance under the plan’s liability umbrella coverage. This requirement begs many questions such as, what experience does the AG have in managing insurance? How will claims be processed? Does this insurance protect a gun owner against law suits? Does this insurance cover legal expenses? There remain more questions and I’ll turn back to those later.

    You’ll also be required to take 24 hours of training to include live firing training. Maybe you can find such training at $50 per hour so you’re talking $1200, minimum.

    You want a gun? You must be crazy!

    HR127 requires that every gun owner and member of the household undergo an evaluation by a licensed psychologist. Plus, this psychologist must interview any former spouses as well as at least two other family members or associates. Since the standards for these required evaluations are as yet not available, it’s difficult to determine how much they will cost but a reasonable estimate is $1000 each. Assuming three in your household, that’s at least $3000. Add another $1000 for the interviews—another estimate—and we’re talking $4000.

    Also consider that HR127 mentions that these licensed psychologists must be approved by the AG. An Internet search shows about 100K licensed psychologists in the country and not every of them will be approved. Consider the evaluations required of gun owners and members of their households plus interviews with the ex’s and associates, that means less than 100K psychologists will be conducting hundreds of millions of evaluations and interviews. By what deadline? Those psychologists already have full schedules so we’re expecting them to take on such an avalanche of new clients on top of that? This situation will create a seller’s market of insane proportions. With that in mind, who knows what you’ll pay for a shrink’s time.

    Speaking of pay…who will pay for these evaluations and interviews?

    Not the AG, but you.

    The psychological evaluation is offered with the premise it will be an accurate predictor of who should or shouldn’t have a gun. But in truth, those giving such evals, highly trained psychologists and psychiatrists, have a miserable record at protecting public safety. The shooters at Thousand Oaks, the Aurora Theater, and the Parkland high school had all been extensively evaluated for exhibiting dangerous behavior prior to the shootings, and yet nothing was done to prevent the ensuing massacres. And sadly, the increasing rate of suicides in this country shows that mental health professionals don’t have a firm grasp at preventing fatal self-harm.

    If there is a hint that the AG’s licensed psychologists may bear any liability for a misdiagnosis, then expect the Catch 22 of HR127 to kick in:

    We must keep the mentally disturbed from getting a gun

    ….and only the mentally disturbed would want a gun.

    HR127: By the Number$$

    How much will HR127 cost you, the law-abiding gun owner, to keep your property? Factor in fees (also unspecified) for the registration of each gun (don’t forget ammo), the permit application, and the permit itself so a lowball estimate for the first gun is:

    Insurance: $800
    Training: $1200
    Psyche eval: $4000
    Fees: ???

    Total: $6000+

    The AG’s Money Grab

    Let’s return to the insurance. Assuming 75 million gun owners in this country, let’s say 25 million won’t pay this extortion and thus give up their guns. That means 50 million will jump through the financial hoops. The simple math of 50 million gun owners times $800 each means $40 billion of your money will slosh into the coffers of the AG. That’s a lot of cash. Substantially more than the entire 2020 budget for the US Department of Justice ($29.9B). What happens to all that money? Does it remain in an insurance portfolio…managed by whom? Or does that money get lost in a slush fund?

    Currently, every state in the union is experiencing an alarming surge in gun homicide, mostly because of gang and drug-related shootings aggravated by the pandemic lockdowns. Is anyone naive enough to think that any criminal will subject themselves to the provisions of this bill considering they’re not supposed to have guns to begin with? Tragically, HR127 will do nothing to protect anyone from violent crime or make our streets any safer.
    You hit the nail on the head. HR 8 is a walk in the park compared to HR 127. What I disagree with is the parts you consider to be the most dangerous. Now, the liability insurance and the psych evaluation is highly problematic, no arguments there. But the most objectionable parts of the this bill comes further ahead:

    The law, HR 127, if passed and signed into law would, under §932 establish licensing of firearms and ammunition, as well as registration of firearms. This section would require the owner of a firearm to transmit to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, under section (b)(1):

    (A) the make, model, and serial number of the firearm, the identity of the owner of the firearm, the date the firearm was acquired by the owner, and where the firearm is or will be stored; and

    (B) a notice specifying the identity of any person to whom, and any period of time during which, the firearm will be loaned to the person.

    The above information would be required within three months of the effective date of the bill for firearms already owned by that date, and on the date an owner acquires a firearm for any weapons acquired after the effective date.

    Here’s the kicker about the above section. Read this carefully:

    “The Attorney General shall make the contents of the database accessible to all members of the public [emphasis added], all Federal, State and local law enforcement authorities, all branches of the United States Armed Forces [emphasis added], and all State and local governments, as defined by the Bureau.”

    So think about this for a minute. This law would publicize who owns guns, and where they store them. What a windfall for potential criminals…the ability to know who keeps guns in their homes (and by extension who does NOT) and where the guns are stored.

    This is like putting a scarlet letter out there for where criminals can acquire guns. Or, where they don’t need to be worried about encountering an armed homeowner.

    Secondly, why would the military need to know who has arms? For what purpose? The 2nd Amendment was included in the Bill of Rights in part to protect the people from a tyrannical government.

    If there is anything we have seen with the current makeup of Congress and the current administration, it is that they do not seem to be shy about imposing tyrannical standards or rules upon the American people.
    Haul out that picture of Stonewall, tack it up with an old gray pin
    Raise up them Stars and Bars, the South shall rise again!"- Johnny Rebel


    All I know is that to see and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell, Rivers of Blood Speech


    "Unless we make sure that there is no infiltration of our country, then just as certain as you sit there, in the period of our lives you will see a red world."
    -Joseph McCarthy

  23. #20
    When enough Americans gun-toters stop worrying about bills and stop asking for permission please, perhaps the natural right [outlined in the 2nd Amendment] will mean something other than this-side that-side.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

  24. #21
    I lost all my assault weapons in a boating accident.

  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    Yeah, that is true. And that is why they have said they will pass it and other Bills by ending the filibuster or somehow sidestepping it using some technicalities.
    Manchin won't do it. Attempts to end the filibuster are DOA.

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Manchin won't do it. Attempts to end the filibuster are DOA.
    Manchin's word, to paraphrase Cactus Jack Garner, ain't "...worth a bucket of warm spit."

    He only votes against his party when it doesn’t matter. The people of WV are a special kind of stupid to keep letting him con them.

    He is NOT a moderate Democrat....he is a weasel .... lies to your face so you will vote for him and then does as he is told by the Democrats.

    Do not trust this guy. Do not believe this guy. He ran for office shooting an EPA sign with a rifle. Then voted with Democrats on almost everything....including gun control and destruction of coal. YES, YOU HEARD THAT RIGHT! GUN CONTROL IN WEST VIRGINIA!!

    He is a typical Democrat who wants to be able to leave Washington DC and come home to WV and be popular....nothing more. Wish WV would wake up and get rid of him.

    He has already said that he wants gun control legislation in this term, so don't pin your hopes on him too much. He is no "conservative Democrat", just a two-faced lying fraud.
    Haul out that picture of Stonewall, tack it up with an old gray pin
    Raise up them Stars and Bars, the South shall rise again!"- Johnny Rebel


    All I know is that to see and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell, Rivers of Blood Speech


    "Unless we make sure that there is no infiltration of our country, then just as certain as you sit there, in the period of our lives you will see a red world."
    -Joseph McCarthy

  27. #24
    I have undertaken a re-armament program on a scale not seen since 1940.



    b
    Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.

    Duty is the most sublime word in the English language. Do your duty in all things. You can not do more than your duty. You should never wish to do less than your duty.



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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    They can introduce all the bills they want. They won't get 60 votes.
    The safety margin is steadily shrinking.
    "I shall bring justice to Westeros. Every man shall reap what he has sown, from the highest lord to the lowest gutter rat. They have made my kingdom bleed, and I do not forget that."
    -Stannis Baratheon

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  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Pericles View Post
    I have undertaken a re-armament program on a scale not seen since 1940.



    b
    Seems like a good start
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Rand Paul (Vice Pres) 2016!!!!

  32. #28
    Ain't this bitch gone away yet?

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    $#@!ing commies everywhere .
    They need to be hung where the world can see.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by shakey1 View Post
    Ain't this bitch gone away yet?
    She's 87 years old. Since I doubt she'll make it past 100, we'll just have to put up with her for at least 13 years.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge



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