View Poll Results: Should individuals be allowed to refuse a COVID vaccine?

Voters
30. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes, your body is your sacred property.

    28 93.33%
  • No, you can not refuse, it is your responsibility to society.

    1 3.33%
  • Yes, but only for religious reasons.

    1 3.33%
  • No, not if your employer or health insurer requires it.

    1 3.33%
  • No, if the government mandates a vaccination.

    0 0%
Multiple Choice Poll.
Page 1 of 4 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 30 of 112

Thread: Should individuals be allowed to refuse a COVID vaccine?"

  1. #1

    Should individuals be allowed to refuse a COVID vaccine?"

    Should individuals be allowed to refuse a COVID vaccine?

    H/t to pcosmar...

    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Rephrase the Question.

    Should Free Individuals be required to be Vaccinated?

    for any reason? and regardless of who thinks it should be required.

    and Hell No employers should Not require anything of employees beyond a days work.
    Poll allows more than one selection.
    Last edited by Brian4Liberty; 12-07-2020 at 04:06 PM.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
    They are what they hate.” - B4L


    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.



  2. Remove this section of ads by registering.
  3. #2
    Yes.
    "I am a bird"

  4. #3
    I will consider this a local election... I "voted" Yes, your body is your sacred property. ;-)
    Last edited by PAF; 12-07-2020 at 04:32 PM.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

  5. #4
    @Brian4Liberty, somebody voted "No, not if your employer or health insurer requires it."

    There is a problem with the poll:

    In a true Free-Market, a company might require their workers to get a vaccine, and another company may not, both free of any government or multi-lateral repercussion. The potential employee would decide whether or not to sign the contract, and let the Free-Market pick winners and choosers - not government.


    Edit to say, in this scenario, the Yes would win every time, whether they got the vaccine or not.
    Last edited by PAF; 12-07-2020 at 04:29 PM.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

  6. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar
    and Hell No employers should Not require anything of employees beyond a days work.
    Amen. I am no fan of those who would be tyrants when given the opportunity and care little for whether they are a government official or business owner.

    As for my vote, my body is my sacred property.

  7. #6
    If the vaccine works, then wouldn't the people who choose to take the vaccine be safe from those who don't?
    "I shall bring justice to Westeros. Every man shall reap what he has sown, from the highest lord to the lowest gutter rat. They have made my kingdom bleed, and I do not forget that."
    -Stannis Baratheon

  8. #7
    So one libertarian (me) has voted in the poll.

    The answer to the question of can an employer make vaccination a condition of employment is yes. That is the only correct answer. There is no in between on this.

  9. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    So one libertarian (me) has voted in the poll.

    The answer to the question of can an employer make vaccination a condition of employment is yes. That is the only correct answer. There is no in between on this.

    Post# 4 is directly relevant. Without taking that into consideration all bets are OFF.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer



  10. Remove this section of ads by registering.
  11. #9

  12. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    So one libertarian (me) has voted in the poll.

    The answer to the question of can an employer make vaccination a condition of employment is yes. That is the only correct answer. There is no in between on this.
    So says the Gordon Gekko Wing of the LP...
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
    They are what they hate.” - B4L


    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

  13. #11
    "Be allowed"?

    dafuq
    "An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.

    "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you arent allowed to criticize."

  14. #12
    Can your employer decide to stop employing you?
    "The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety."
    H. L. Mencken

    Quote Originally Posted by Contumacious View Post
    In conclusion THE ONLY WAY BIDEN IS GOING TO SEE THE INSIDE OF THE OVAL OFFICE IS VIA THE A WHITEHOUSE PUBLIC TOUR

  15. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    So one libertarian (me) has voted in the poll.

    The answer to the question of can an employer make vaccination a condition of employment is yes. That is the only correct answer. There is no in between on this.
    Sure, but can I can sue the "employer" for a trillion dollars once my balls shrivel up and stop working because of the vaccine I was forced to take as an employee of the business? If so, what's the loss of my bloodline worth?

    Here's the catch though. The business isn't owned by the "employer", if it is a "registered" business entity. The business is owned by the state once it is voluntarily registered and a business license requested and received. The "employer" is then merely the operator of the state's business. So the real question is: Can the operator, who is not the legal owner, of a business require a vaccination as a term of employment? Is that the operator's right since they do not actually own the business? And if so, why is that operator, but not owner, shielded from liability for such a decision?
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  16. #14
    Poll needs more options...

    As far as I'm concerned, this question, as with any relating to the business restrictions or the rest of it, comes down to cost-benefit analysis. You have every right to jump off a bridge, but you don't have a right to land on an innocent bystander: and so laws prohibiting jumping off bridges might be justified (not to protect you from yourself in nanny-state fashion, but to prevent you from harming others, as with ordinary laws against robbing, murdering, etc). So, that principle established, is it justifiable to force people to take vaccines? I don't know. It could be, depending on the circumstances. In the long run, if the vaccine is effective (and if it isn't the point is moot), the people who refuse to take it should only be hurting themselves, which is no one else's concern. But, in the shorter term, in the interest of getting this under control, it might be justifiable to forcibly vaccinate people. On the other hand, medical issues aside, if this is going to cause riots and whatnot, that's a cost to take into account as well. If I were covid-dictator, I'd be hard pressed to decide (but then if I were covid-dictator, I'd probably know a lot more about the particulars than I in fact do).

    TL;DR - there's no reason to be opposed in principle in every circumstance to mandatory vaccination, but that doesn't mean it's justified here.

    TBD

  17. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Sure, but can I can sue the "employer" for a trillion dollars once my balls shrivel up and stop working because of the vaccine I was forced to take as an employee of the business? If so, what's the loss of my bloodline worth?

    Here's the catch though. The business isn't owned by the "employer", if it is a "registered" business entity. The business is owned by the state once it is voluntarily registered and a business license requested and received. The "employer" is then merely the operator of the state's business. So the real question is: Can the operator, who is not the legal owner, of a business require a vaccination as a term of employment? Is that the operator's right since they do not actually own the business? And if so, why is that operator, but not owner, shielded from liability for such a decision?
    Bingo. If you have a business "license" you don't own that business, the state does. Try not paying the protection money or refuse to follow dictates and see what happens.
    "The Patriarch"

  18. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Bingo. If you have a business "license" you don't own that business, the state does. Try not paying the protection money or refuse to follow dictates and see what happens.
    And that Issue is being Displayed in Washington State..

    Been to Spiffy's yet?
    https://www.king5.com/article/news/h...9-3c11b053ad13

    and that is having a cascade effect.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom



  19. Remove this section of ads by registering.
  20. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Bingo. If you have a business "license" you don't own that business, the state does. Try not paying the protection money or refuse to follow dictates and see what happens.
    Try operating anywhere in the country without various licenses...in 2019.

    I like how no one objected to any of this until now (i.e. until it very directly effected them personally).

  21. #18
    what kind of poll is this on RPF?

  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Try operating anywhere in the country without various licenses...in 2019.

    I like how no one objected to any of this until now (i.e. until it very directly effected them personally).
    Isn't that interesting..
    Just how much Corruption is being exposed or Displayed proudly this year.

    Business Licenses are at the center of the Re-Open Washington "movement".
    It has been the Bludgeon of the Governor ..
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Isn't that interesting..
    Just how much Corruption is being exposed or Displayed proudly this year.

    Business Licenses are at the center of the Re-Open Washington "movement".
    It has been the Bludgeon of the Governor ..
    And yet, I would wager, not one in ten thousand has any objection to such licensing in principle. In fact, there would be riots in the streets much bigger than antifa's piddly nonsense if those licenses were abolished. These same restaurants now begging for taxpayer money would be up in arms if their *liquor license*, which allows them to charge 20x the cost of liquor, were revoked. The same with taxi-men, and every other licensed group. They love them some state-enforced quasi-monopoly, but only so long as it makes them money. Frankly, you don't want to hear what I really think of them.

  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Try operating anywhere in the country without various licenses...in 2019.

    I like how no one objected to any of this until now (i.e. until it very directly effected them personally).
    I was at some Rallies Last year and this year,, and I was not at this one.

    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Frankly, you don't want to hear what I really think of them.
    I doubt the Folks that kicked antfas butts and ran them off would care what you think at this point..

    And I LOVE the girls out here..
    One inspired me to step out of shadow up here..
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    @Brian4Liberty, somebody voted "No, not if your employer or health insurer requires it."

    There is a problem with the poll:

    In a true Free-Market, a company might require their workers to get a vaccine, and another company may not, both free of any government or multi-lateral repercussion. The potential employee would decide whether or not to sign the contract, and let the Free-Market pick winners and choosers - not government.


    Edit to say, in this scenario, the Yes would win every time, whether they got the vaccine or not.
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to PAF again.

    Change the hypothetical slightly and the flaw of the "employer can force you to do something" argument becomes readily apparent. I have turned down a job opportunity for religious reasons, but I've violated those same religious principles for women. So....the man or woman that you were convinced was your "soulmate" said "You can't have me if you don't take the jab" is that forcing you to take it? "Oh but you can't live without a job." Tell that to all the people who have started their own businesses. "Oh but you can live without love." Tell that to all of the jilted people who have considered suicide at one point. (Raises hand).

    But I'll go a step further. Employers shouldn't force people to take vaccines. And the proper response if for everyone who believes in freedom to boycott and shame those businesses.

    As a caveat, I'm not against using current law to fight vaccine mandates. We are in a war after all. But giving the gubmint even more power not the answer.

    And on insurance companies? Insurance companies are highly regulated corporations, even more so than most corporations. And they derive other gubmint benefits from their status. I don't see them the same as the mom and pop grocery store.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    I doubt the Folks that kicked antfas butts and ran them off would care what you think at this point..

    And I LOVE the girls out here..
    One inspired me to step out of shadow up here..
    The feeling's mutual.



  28. Remove this section of ads by registering.
  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    The feeling's mutual.
    Cool,,That makes you less relevant.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Cool,,That makes you less relevant.
    If both groups of fools, the antifa and the anti-antifa, i.e. left- and right-socialists, think I'm irrelevant, that's perfect.

    When you fools are done fooling about (without too many casualties for nothing, I hope), the grown-ups might get back to business.

    I'll wait.

  31. #27
    The issue is moot.

    No one can touch our body without our INFORMED CONSENT.

    An employer can not provide the necessary medical information nor does it have HIPPA authority.

    Next thread please

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    I'll wait.
    Perhaps in this case I am being pragmatic

    I am disarmed by Law,, and my life forfeit should I pick up an Arm.
    I am actually Homeless,though kept like a pet,, and recently adopted to the area..

    I have made friendly acquaintances where I find myself

    and there are other Violent Radicals that I wish did not exist. They have been trashing larger Cities.

    Where do I want to sit,?, because I am in the Room.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Contumacious View Post
    The issue is moot.

    No one can touch our body without our INFORMED CONSENT.

    An employer can not provide the necessary medical information nor does it have HIPPA authority.

    Next thread please
    Is The Employer Responsible for the adverse effects of the poison he demands?
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Perhaps in this case I am being pragmatic

    I am disarmed by Law,, and my life forfeit should I pick up an Arm.
    I am actually Homeless,though kept like a pet,, and recently adopted to the area..

    I have made friendly acquaintances where I find myself

    and there are other Violent Radicals that I wish did not exist. They have been trashing larger Cities.

    Where do I want to sit,?, because I am in the Room.
    I would suggest that you sit aside and let the lunatics do what they do, and not join them.

Page 1 of 4 123 ... LastLast


Similar Threads

  1. Should businesses be allowed to require a covid vaccine?
    By Madison320 in forum U.S. Political News
    Replies: 194
    Last Post: 12-15-2020, 04:42 PM
  2. Replies: 3
    Last Post: 11-26-2020, 11:44 AM
  3. CDC Director: 'Covid Vaccine? Ha! Wear Your "Life Saving" Mask!'
    By Brian4Liberty in forum Ron Paul Forum
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 09-19-2020, 01:05 PM
  4. Replies: 6
    Last Post: 09-16-2020, 12:24 PM
  5. Replies: 4
    Last Post: 08-27-2009, 01:50 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •