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    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner



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    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...FKuPgCOgBRQWaV

    Paris terror hoax video's, you decide.
    “[T]he enshrinement of constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table.” (Heller, 554 U.S., at ___, 128 S.Ct., at 2822.)

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    France, in whole, has been very vocal with regard to geo-political ongoings as of late. Just something to think about.

    Most recently, France will not sign multibillion transatlantic trade deal with US in 2015
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    Becky Akers:

    If you insult a man’s mother, repeatedly and aggressively, should you be either surprised or outraged when the guy takes a swing at you? Has the vengeful son violated your “freedom of speech” or “freedom of expression”? Or have you simply suffered the consequences of your boorish behavior?

    Likewise, if you publish years’ worth of insults against a major religious figure, have the followers of that religion violated your “freedom of speech” or “freedom of expression” when they react to your deliberate provocation? Shouldn’t adults, particularly world-weary ones who claim a jaundiced sophistication, understand that victims of relentless mockery and verbal abuse will almost always react?

    Naturally, I do not condone murdering journalists and graphic artists. But let us be very clear that these killings have nothing to do with freedom of speech or expression, regardless of how much Our Rulers and France’s try to cast them that way. Governments are the only ones who can restrict either freedom, and so far reports of this atrocity have not implicated France’s administration regardless of its other crimes. (I’m not even sure we could call it censorship had the government of Yemen, say, ordered Charlie Hebdo to cease publication of its calumnies against Islam. After all, what power can Yemen exercise over a foreign publication?)
    No matter: facts never trouble demagogues set on inciting us against one another. Both the yahoo in the White House and his lapdog in London will continue bleating about “freedom of the press” and the various other liberties they eviscerate in their own countries while pretending that Moslem terrorists have somehow damaged us far more than our own totalitarianism has.

    The slaughter in France is reprehensible and tragic—and the French government is an accessory because its senseless disarmament of its people has turned them helpless. But those who taunt and ridicule should understand that their incendiary insults may one day come home to roost. Simple courtesy and good taste would have precluded most of what Charlie Hebdo published – and might have saved lives, too.
    Lew Rockwell:

    Thanks, Becky. I also like Bob Wenzel’s post, and Justin Raimondo’s point: if this had happened to an anti-black or anti-gay weekly, we would hear no talk of freedom of speech or of the press, but rather of the wages of hate.

    UPDATE See also Justin’s refutation of the Russophobes and their criticism of non-interventionist libertarians.

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    Hypocrisy abounds with "freedom of the press" and "freedom of speech".

    Many of the same pundits and propagandists that are talking about free speech today are the same ones that call for government enforcement of speech when it "offends" some special group, who want to ban what they arbitrarily decide is "hate speech", and who look to destroy and blacklist any public or semi-public figure that might have used an incorrect word in private, or even spoke to the wrong person once in the past.

    Hypocrites all.
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    While I abhor the killing of anyone, my sympathy for Charlie Hebdo just dropped a little bit.



    It would be kind of like how I would feel if some Westboro Baptists got killed by some gays.
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    Rockwell:

    So Much for Freedom of Speech in France

    “French President François Hollande on Tuesday backed attempts to ban shows by a controversial French comedian who the government accuses of threatening public order with his anti-Semitic comments.

    “Hollande’s call for local officials to ban Dieudonné M’bala M’bala from theatres comes after the French cities of Nantes, Marseille, Bordeaux, and Tours banned his forthcoming shows on the grounds of public order.”

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    Liberté de la presse?

    La liberté?

    That's a negative ghost rider.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner



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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsat_98 View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...FKuPgCOgBRQWaV

    Paris terror hoax video's, you decide.
    Numerous videos deleted already. FREEDOM!

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    "In order to bring a nation to support the burdens of maintaining great military establishments, it is necessary to create an emotional state akin to war psychology. There must be the portrayal of external menace."
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    "The greatest purveyor of violence in the world today is my own government."
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    "I found early on that you can’t trust the network media in the United States to tell the truth. They’re part of the problem because they are owned by defence contractors for a reason—which is that the $900 Billion global defence industry is going to control that which can sink them, so what do they do? They own the media."
    ~ David Morehouse, M.A. Ph.D. ex US Army Intelligence Support Command (INSCOM)
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Charlie Hebdo fired writer for ‘anti-semitic’ joke in 2009; writer charged with a hate crime

    http://iroots.org/2015/01/08/charlie...mitic-in-2009/

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    yeah, this is all about cartoon editorials..

    i'm not not getting onboard with that bull$#@!....sorry....

    carry on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by green73 View Post
    Charlie Hebdo fired writer for ‘anti-semitic’ joke in 2009; writer charged with a hate crime

    http://iroots.org/2015/01/08/charlie...mitic-in-2009/
    Just another example.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Hypocrisy abounds with "freedom of the press" and "freedom of speech".

    Many of the same pundits and propagandists that are talking about free speech today are the same ones that call for government enforcement of speech when it "offends" some special group, who want to ban what they arbitrarily decide is "hate speech", and who look to destroy and blacklist any public or semi-public figure that might have used an incorrect word in private, or even spoke to the wrong person once in the past.

    Hypocrites all.
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    Raids in France on two locations- one where the suspected guys who shot up the paper offices were holed up and another were another who shot a police woman was holed up. Reports are suspects dead. Believe both groups knew each other and were communicating. http://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/09/eu...aris-shooting/

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words


    There are certain well-defined and narrowly limited classes of speech, the prevention and punishment of which have never been thought to raise any constitutional problem. These include the lewd and obscene, the profane, the libelous, and the insulting or "fighting words" those that by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace. It has been well observed that such utterances are no essential part of any exposition of ideas, and are of such slight social value as a step to truth that any benefit that may be derived from them is clearly outweighed by the social interest in order and morality.

    — Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire, 1942
    http://definitions.uslegal.com/f/fighting-words/
    The utterance of fighting words is not protected by the free speech protections of the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. The words are often evaluated not only by the words themselves, but the context in which they are spoken. Courts generally impose a requirement that the speaker intended to cuase a breach of the peace or incite the hearer to violence.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Thomas DiLorenzo:

    Free Speech Hypocrites

    In the aftermath of the horrific murders of the people at the French cultural Marxist magazine, the journalistic Left all over the world has all of a sudden become a voice for free speech. Yes, the same people responsible or campus speech codes and all other forms of political correctness aimed at censoring words they disapprove of. The French Left, especially, has its collective panties in a wad and is said to be increasing the distribution of the magazine that was targeted by the murderers from its usual 60,000 issues to 1 million in the next issue.

    The French cultural Marxists take the top award for hypocrisy here, since they have long supported the French “hate speech” laws that, among other things, criminalize “insults” against various cultural Marxist mascot groups (just about everyone in society except for white heterosexual males). In France, if you are found guilty of insulting a mascot or mascot group, the penalty is 6 months in prison and a 22,500 Euro fine. According to the Wikipedia entry about Hate Speech Laws in France, however, no insult to Christians or Muslims is so severe as to invoke the hate speech law. A French court even ruled that comparing the Christian cross to the Nazi swastika, as one other cultural Marxist magazine did, was “not an insult” to Christians.

    This all reminds one of how, when the Left was in the minority in American academe, the ACLU championed free speech, then turned on a dime and defended all of the most extreme forms of censorship by political correctness on college campuses once their cultural Marxist brothers and sisters captured most of American academe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtap View Post
    Numerous videos deleted already. FREEDOM!
    Take a look at StormCloudsGathering on Youtube for as long as his video analasys may have already been taken down. If it isnt right now, it most likely soon will be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Take a look at StormCloudsGathering on Youtube for as long as his video analasys may have already been taken down. If it isnt right now, it most likely soon will be.
    https://www.youtube.com/user/StormCloudsGathering
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Just for a finishing touch:

    After Free Speech Rally, France Cracks Down on Free Speech

    Well that didn't take long. Just three days after the French government hosted dozens of foreign leaders in a "unity rally" to defend free speech in the wake of last week's shooting at the Charlie Hebdo magazine, France has begun arresting its citizens for actually exercising free speech.

    According to news reports, more than 50 French citizens were arrested today and charged with offensive speech — the same kind of speech that was the trademark of of the Charlie Hebdo publication.
    cont.
    http://www.targetliberty.com/2015/01...ce-cracks.html



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