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    Police open fire on Palestine solidarity activists at Los Angeles rally for Israel

    Four people have been arrested and a Homeland Security officer is under investigation for firing his weapon during a weekend scuffle between pro-Israel demonstrators and Palestinian supporters outside the Federal Building in Los Angeles.

    The altercation Sunday evening grew out of a shouting match between the occupants of two vehicles that escalated when several people from one vehicle were assaulted by suspects in the other, the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Office said.

    An officer of the Federal Protective Service, an agency of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, who witnessed the assault intervened and fired his weapon, but no one was hit by gunfire or otherwise injured, Sheriff's Sergeant Carmen Arballo said.

    She said four suspects were arrested. According to sheriff's officials, the four were booked on suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon after some of those involved in the melee were seen brandishing wooden poles, City News Service reported.

    A Federal Protective Service spokeswoman in Washington, Jacqueline Yost, said the officer fired one shot from his service weapon in an attempt to stop the four suspects as they were trying to flee the scene in a vehicle.

    The officer has been placed on paid administrative leave pending a review of the incident by his agency, and an investigation by the Los Angeles sheriff's office, Yost said.

    The clash erupted when Palestinian supporters drove up to a group of pro-Israel demonstrators and thrust a Palestinian flag out the window of their truck, according to a law enforcement source who was familiar with how events unfolded but was not authorized to comment on the record about it.

    Pro-Israel demonstrators then grabbed the flag and stomped on it, leading to a brawl as the Palestinian supporters got out of their truck and one was stomped and kicked while bending down to retrieve the flag, the source said.

    http://news.yahoo.com/federal-office...181737186.html

    CBS originally claimed that they were members of Hamas:

    Last edited by twomp; 07-15-2014 at 03:19 PM.



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    She said four suspects were arrested. According to sheriff's officials, the four were booked on suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon after some of those involved in the melee were seen brandishing wooden poles, City News Service reported.

    A Federal Protective Service spokeswoman in Washington, Jacqueline Yost, said the officer fired one shot from his service weapon in an attempt to stop the four suspects as they were trying to flee the scene in a vehicle.
    So the real criminal is still free, eh?
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    Sounds like a warning shot into the air rather than a shot at anybody. And it doesn't sound like he was shooting at anybody due to their heritage or politics. Two groups from cars fighting each other. Cop tries to break it up.

    An officer of the Federal Protective Service, an agency of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, who witnessed the assault intervened and fired his weapon, but no one was hit by gunfire or otherwise injured, Sheriff's Sergeant Carmen Arballo said.
    But "Cop Opens Fire on Activists" sounds a lot more dramatic. Implies lots of bullets flying around wounding and killing people. It also makes it sound like they were peacefully protesting and not trying to beat each other up.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 07-15-2014 at 05:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aGameOfThrones View Post
    So the real criminal is still free, eh?
    Yeah, if anybody else had fired a warning shot, they would be arrested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Sounds like a warning shot into the air rather than a shot at anybody.
    Bullets fired into the air come down with the same terminal velocity that they exited the gun barrel with. Terribly reckless and potentially dangerous. Especially in a crowd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Sounds like a warning shot into the air rather than a shot at anybody.
    Where did that bullet come down?

    If a bullet does not hit the intended target,, pulling the trigger was stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Sounds like a warning shot into the air rather than a shot at anybody. And it doesn't sound like he was shooting at anybody due to their heritage or politics. Two groups from cars fighting each other. Cop tries to break it up.



    But "Cop Opens Fire on Activists" sounds a lot more dramatic. Implies lots of bullets flying around wounding and killing people.
    From the post above yours:

    A Federal Protective Service spokeswoman in Washington, Jacqueline Yost, said the officer fired one shot from his service weapon in an attempt to stop the four suspects as they were trying to flee the scene in a vehicle.
    How do you get the impression that it "Sounds like a warning shot into the air rather than a shot at anybody"?

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    Obviously nobody was shot by it and there was only one shot so the intent was not to try to do harm. If he wanted to harm and missed, he would have fired more. I just think it is over-hyped.



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    Quote Originally Posted by anaconda View Post
    Bullets fired into the air come down with the same terminal velocity that they exited the gun barrel with. Terribly reckless and potentially dangerous. Especially in a crowd.
    Indeed.
    I am sure Zippy will come up with some other version/excuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaconda View Post
    Bullets fired into the air come down with the same terminal velocity that they exited the gun barrel with. Terribly reckless and potentially dangerous. Especially in a crowd.
    Certainly a violation of basic gun safety.

    A bullet fired straight into the air will come to stop, and then come down with an acceleration of ~32ft/second/second. It will most likely hit the ground with a different (lesser) velocity than it left the muzzle. Several variables need to be taken into account. Terminal velocity will vary based on the bullet and how it is flying (tumbling, etc). It will still be able to penetrate skin, but it will not have the velocity that it had when fired. Rough average guess is around 300 ft/second when it hits.

    If it is not fired directly up, the odds of hitting something increases, as the bullet will also have some horizontal velocity. That would depend upon the range of the cartridge being used (and a couple of other variables like wind and atmospheric density).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I just think it is over-hyped.

    Did the idiot fire a gun? I think you are trying to Over Justify.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    It will most likely hit the ground with a different (lesser) velocity than it left the muzzle.
    The horizontal velocity vector will be identical and the vertical velocity vector will be the same magnitude but in the opposite direction when the bullet returns to the same height that the gun barrel was at when the shot was fired, except for the air resistance and wind. I believe your analysis above is correct.
    Last edited by anaconda; 07-16-2014 at 12:22 AM.

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    My thoughts on the police action are the same as always.

    But I'd like to comment by saying that the Israelis and Palestinian protestors involved should probably go back overseas if they want to settle it. As the saying goes, "leave your baggage at the door." You're American now, so get over it. Maybe that might offend some people here, but really, we don't need that bull$#@!. It's hard enough trying to keep our government from doing more to get involved in the middle east, but it's gonnna be pure hell if the middle east comes here.
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