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    The scandal of fiddled global warming data (US actually cooling since 1930s)

    When future generations try to understand how the world got carried away around the end of the 20th century by the panic over global warming, few things will amaze them more than the part played in stoking up the scare by the fiddling of official temperature data. There was already much evidence of this seven years ago, when I was writing my history of the scare, The Real Global Warming Disaster. But now another damning example has been uncovered by Steven Goddard’s US blog Real Science, showing how shamelessly manipulated has been one of the world’s most influential climate records, the graph of US surface temperature records published by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

    Goddard shows how, in recent years, NOAA’s US Historical Climatology Network (USHCN) has been “adjusting” its record by replacing real temperatures with data “fabricated” by computer models. The effect of this has been to downgrade earlier temperatures and to exaggerate those from recent decades, to give the impression that the Earth has been warming up much more than is justified by the actual data. In several posts headed “Data tampering at USHCN/GISS”, Goddard compares the currently published temperature graphs with those based only on temperatures measured at the time. These show that the US has actually been cooling since the Thirties, the hottest decade on record; whereas the latest graph, nearly half of it based on “fabricated” data, shows it to have been warming at a rate equivalent to more than 3 degrees centigrade per century.

    When I first began examining the global-warming scare, I found nothing more puzzling than the way officially approved scientists kept on being shown to have finagled their data, as in that ludicrous “hockey stick” graph, pretending to prove that the world had suddenly become much hotter than at any time in 1,000 years. Any theory needing to rely so consistently on fudging the evidence, I concluded, must be looked on not as science at all, but as simply a rather alarming case study in the aberrations of group psychology.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/env...ming-data.html



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    Unexpected June snowfall surprises Utahns
    http://www.ksl.com/?sid=30357119&nid=148

    What’s to Be Done With 15 Feet of Snow in June? Utah Knows
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/11/sp...nows.html?_r=0

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    Quote Originally Posted by libertyjam View Post
    Unexpected June snowfall surprises Utahns
    http://www.ksl.com/?sid=30357119&nid=148

    What’s to Be Done With 15 Feet of Snow in June? Utah Knows
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/11/sp...nows.html?_r=0

    But, but, don't you understand? A warming planet means soon summer will be winter.

    But it's summer! Bizarre scenes as ICEBERGS are spotted still floating in Lake Superior in the middle of June

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    Professor's fellowship 'terminated' after WSJ OpEd declaring ‘the left wants to stop industrialization—even if the hypothesis of catastrophic, man-made global warming is false’
    Climate Statistics Prof. Caleb Rossiter: 'If people ever say that fears of censorship for ‘climate change’ views are overblown, have them take a look at this. Just two days after I published a piece in the Wall Street Journal calling for Africa to be allowed the ‘all of the above’ energy strategy we have in the U.S., the Institute for Policy Studies (IPS) terminated my 23-year relationship with them...because my analysis and theirs ‘diverge.’
    IPS email of 'termination' to Rossiter: 'We would like to inform you that we are terminating your position as an Associate Fellow of the Institute for Policy Studies...Unfortunately, we now feel that your views on key issues, including climate science, climate justice, and many aspects of U.S. policy to Africa, diverge so significantly from ours'
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    And I used to swim in that $#@!,, before I knew any better.

    I got spoiled swimming in warmer waters.

    And yes,, That is a Foosball Table.
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    Movie idea- a conspiracy of 97% of the world's scientists is cooked up for thirty-plus years. Only a gallant alliance composed of oil executives and billionaires can stop their apocalyptic plot.

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    I swear I am going to tear my hair out if I see another ridiculous thread on here confusing global warming with surface temperatures rising everywhere equally on the planet. Use the term Climate Change or Oceanic Warming and we will all be better off. When you can find evidence of accelerated glacial melting being a hoax, get back to me,
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    Author is certainly a scientific contrarian.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Booker

    Christopher John Penrice Booker (born 7 October 1937) is an English journalist and author. In 1961, he was one of the founders of the magazine Private Eye, and has contributed to it since then. He has been a columnist for The Sunday Telegraph since 1990.[1] He has taken a stance which runs counter to the scientific consensus on a number of issues, including global warming, the link between passive smoking and cancer,[2] and the dangers posed by asbestos.[3] In 2009, he published The Real Global Warming Disaster.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 06-23-2014 at 11:33 AM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RabbitMan View Post
    I swear I am going to tear my hair out if I see another ridiculous thread on here confusing global warming with surface temperatures rising everywhere equally on the planet. Use the term Climate Change or Oceanic Warming and we will all be better off. When you can find evidence of accelerated glacial melting being a hoax, get back to me,

    antarctica is melting because of an underwater volcano.
    http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/...rs-from-below/ (article originated on Live Science, not fox news)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Author is certainly a scientific contrarian.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Booker
    Yes because Al gore is much more credible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 56ktarget View Post
    Movie idea- a conspiracy of 97% of the world's scientists is cooked up for thirty-plus years. Only a gallant alliance composed of oil executives and billionaires can stop their apocalyptic plot.
    Thirty-plus years ago the Chicken Littles were blathering about global dimming. And sixty years ago the medical researchers were telling us how much longer we'd live if we ate lots and lots of fatty red meat, too.
    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Define Terrorist please.

    According to, well, pretty much both political parties, the other party is now guilty of Terrorism.
    Listening to the mainstream media is like standing under a power line when the birds are migrating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 56ktarget View Post
    Movie idea- a conspiracy of 97% of the world's scientists is cooked up for thirty-plus years. Only a gallant alliance composed of oil executives and billionaires can stop their apocalyptic plot.
    The 97% consensus myth – busted by a real survey

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/11/2...a-real-survey/
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    Quote Originally Posted by 56ktarget View Post
    Movie idea- a conspiracy of 97% of the world's scientists is cooked up for thirty-plus years. Only a gallant alliance composed of oil executives and billionaires can stop their apocalyptic plot.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUeL6pjpef0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    The 97% consensus myth – busted by a real survey

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/11/2...a-real-survey/
    According to the American Meterlogical Survey at that link, http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/...S-D-13-00091.1 five percent said "global warming isn't happening". Seven percent said they "Don't know if it is happening". That leaves a pretty significant percent saying they believe it is happening. The real dispute is how much impact humans have. Only one percent said "Yes, don't know cause".
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 06-23-2014 at 12:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Author is certainly a scientific contrarian.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Booker
    Yea in the past I tried to cite him in some climate change arguments I was making to liberals and they discredited him pretty quickly based on some of this stuff. Knowing more about his past now I don't think I'd cite this guy again. I don't think he's a full blown crackpot or anything, but he's at least of questionable merit.

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    http://www.voxday.blogspot.com/2014/...e-cooling.html

    I note, again, that we global warming skeptics - deniers, if you prefer - have been consistently correct all along. And the more the charlatans' Hot Earth models fail, going back to 1922, the more their frauds are uncovered and exposed, the more frantically they insist that this time, the Earth really is doomed.

    The thing is, one didn't, and doesn't, have to know a single thing about climate or historical temperatures to recognize that they were lying. Because liars a) observably behave in a manner inconsistent with what they claim to believe, and b) are reliably wrong. We have not forgotten that we were told entire nations would be wiped off the face of Earth by rising sea levels if the global-warming trend was not reversed by the year 2000.

    What nation was that, Atlantis? Global warming is nothing more than a pseudoscience concocted to justify global government. Which means that it is only a matter of time before all the lies and the fictitious data used as its foundation are revealed to be fabricated and fraudulent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 56ktarget View Post
    Movie idea- a conspiracy of 97% of the world's scientists is cooked up for thirty-plus years. Only a gallant alliance composed of oil executives and billionaires can stop their apocalyptic plot.
    Executives and billionaires, is it? And who do you think funds the vast majority of university research, particularly in the U.S. today? You really think 'our' executives and billionaires will save us from your executives and billionaires--you know, the ones who are trying to get richer at the expense of the poor with higher water rates and carbon taxes?
    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Define Terrorist please.

    According to, well, pretty much both political parties, the other party is now guilty of Terrorism.
    Listening to the mainstream media is like standing under a power line when the birds are migrating.

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    Curious why the chart in the blog link only looks at temperatures for three weeks out of the year- June 1st thorugh June 21st- and ignores what are typically the hottest months of the year.
    "Percentage of US June Temperatures Above 100 Degrees Thourgh June 21st".
    Not even the entire month of June at that. Very selective data. Probably because more data would have disproved the point they were trying to make.



    This chart shows more info for the entire years instead of just three weeks:


    https://www2.ucar.edu/climate/faq/ho...last-100-years
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 06-23-2014 at 12:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Executives and billionaires, is it? And who do you think funds the vast majority of university research, particularly in the U.S. today? You really think 'our' executives and billionaires will save us from your executives and billionaires--you know, the ones who are trying to get richer at the expense of the poor with higher water rates and carbon taxes?
    Progs don't even know they're fascists! From the Fed, to taxes, fees, regs, and mandates, to the global warming-green energy scam, to Barry's Big Fascist Medical System, to TBTF everything, it's all right in front of their faces, but they can't see it. They still insist they're looking out for the little guy, when all they have done for the past 100 years is destroy jobs and opportunity and create more poor people through their fascist central planning. And then they further embarrass themselves by blaming the "free market," which we don't even have since they destroyed that long ago. Left is the only direction this country has ever moved. They already won and they don't even know it! That's how f'n dumb they are.

    I want a divorce!
    Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
    --Albert J. Nock

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    Thank you for the rep!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post

    And I used to swim in that $#@!,, before I knew any better.

    I got spoiled swimming in warmer waters.

    And yes,, That is a Foosball Table.
    Looks like Wisconsin numbers on that boat.

    Is that one of the icebergs that were floating around just up to a couple weeks ago in Green Bay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Curious why the chart in the blog link only looks at temperatures for three weeks out of the year- June 1st thorugh June 21st- and ignores what are typically the hottest months of the year.


    https://www2.ucar.edu/climate/faq/ho...last-100-years

    Trying to rebut showing the fraud in NOAA data with more discredited and fraudulent NOAA data, how does that work?

    https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/...ns-are-global/
    NOAA And NASA Data Alterations Are Global


    https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/...the-year-2000/
    Right after the year 2000, NASA and NOAA dramatically altered US climate history, making the past much colder and the present much warmer. The animation below shows how NASA cooled 1934 and warmed 1998, to make 1998 the hottest year in US history instead of 1934. This alteration turned a long term cooling trend since 1930 into a warming trend.

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    What is the source of data for the Gif? (nothing at the link)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    What is the source of data for the Gif? (nothing at the link)
    You'd have to actually click the link to see it. RTFA for once.
    Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
    --Albert J. Nock



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    I don't see it. Perhaps you can share it with us? Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 56ktarget View Post
    Movie idea- a conspiracy of 97% of the world's scientists is cooked up for thirty-plus years. Only a gallant alliance composed of oil executives and billionaires can stop their apocalyptic plot.
    Source for "97%"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by libertyjam View Post
    In the comments, and found elsewhere in other posts at S. Goddard's site,

    Source link for NASA graph B of US temps?
    Reply

    stevengoddard says:
    June 23, 2014 at 1:57 am

    http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.D.gif

    More data:
    https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/...-at-ushcngiss/
    https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/...ange-the-data/
    https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/...-temperatures/
    https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/...ime-syndicate/
    Thanks. Didn't dig though all of the comments- link should have been with the GIF. NOAA on the data:
    http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/sources/gistemp.html

    GHCN contains reports from several sources, so there often are multiple records for the same location. Occasionally, a single record was divided up by NOAA into several pieces, e.g. if suspicious discontinuities were discovered. USHCN and SCAR contain single source reports but in different formats/units and with different or no identification numbers. For USHCN, the table "ushcn2.tbl" gives a translation key, for SCAR we extended the WMO number if it existed or created a new ID if it did not (2 cases). SCAR stations are treated as new sources. Adding SCAR data to GHCN: The tables were reformatted and the data rescaled to fit the GHCN format; the new stations were added to the inventory file. The site temperature.html has not been updated for several years; we found and corrected a few typos in that file. (Any SCAR data marked "preliminary" are skipped) Replacing USHCN-unmodified by USHCN-corrected data: The reports were converted from F to C and reformatted; data marked as being filled in using interpolation methods were removed. USHCN-IDs were replaced by the corresponding GHCN-ID. The latest common 10 years for each station were used to compare corrected and uncorrected data. The offset so obtained was subtracted from the corrected USHCN reports to match any new incoming GHCN reports for that station (GHCN reports are updated monthly; in the past, USHCN data used to lag by 1-5 years). Filling in missing data for Hohenpeissenberg: This is a version of a GHCN report with missing data filled in, so it is used to fill the gaps of the corresponding GHCN series. Result: v2.mean_comb Step 1 : Simplifications, elimination of dubious records, 2 adjustments (do_comb_step1.sh) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The various sources at a single location are combined into one record, if possible, using a version of the reference station method. The adjustments are determined in this case using series of estimated annual means. Non-overlapping records are viewed as a single record, unless this would result introducing a discontinuity; in the documented case of St.Helena the discontinuity is eliminated by adding 1C to the early part. After noticing an unusual warming trend in Hawaii, closer investigation showed its origin to be in the Lihue record; it had a discontinuity around 1950 not present in any neighboring station. Based on those data, we added 0.8C to the part before the discontinuity. Some unphysical looking segments were eliminated after manual inspection of unusual looking annual mean graphs and comparing them to the corresponding graphs of all neighboring stations. See CLEANING NOTES for further details. Result: Ts.txt Step 2 : Splitting into zonal sections and homogenization
    More a link (which is a mess to try to read through)
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 06-23-2014 at 02:17 PM.

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