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    Exclamation Reason Magazine supports forced vaccinations; "no libertarian case for vaccine refusal"

    Reason Magazine says that there is "no principled libertarian case for vaccine refusal," in Ronald Bailey's "pragmatic argument for coercive vaccination."

    I thoroughly debunk this tripe and set the record straight on libertarianism. Reason has a faction of militant "science" promoters who care absolutely nothing about liberty.

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    Reason magazine is all over the place. Seems that they cater to corporate donors at times.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
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    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    Wow... that doesn't even make sense that a supposed 'free thinking' magazine would argue against a person's god-given right to choose what is best for himself (herself)...

    What frauds.
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    Yeah but this is water under the bridge since Reason leads the way in libertarian resistance on issues as fundamentally important as trans fat bans in fast food restaurants

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    AHEM!


    $#@! REASON

    phew, its been a while...
    FLIP THOSE FLAGS, THE NATION IS IN DISTRESS!


    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkr View Post
    AHEM!


    $#@! REASON

    phew, its been a while...

    I will say it again..


    $#@! REASON. what a complete crock of $#@!!
    The ultimate minority is the individual. Protect the individual from Democracy and you will protect all groups of individuals
    Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. - Thomas Jefferson
    I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

    - Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Reason magazine is all over the place. Seems that they cater to corporate donors at times.

    Sure. Beltway libertarians.

    Here's a ink to the real article, not the blog that is telling us what he said: http://reason.com/archives/2013/12/0...-free-riders-1

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    Forum hiccup.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.



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    Quote Originally Posted by sgt150 View Post
    Yeah but this is water under the bridge since Reason leads the way in libertarian resistance on issues as fundamentally important as trans fat bans in fast food restaurants
    Their first thought seems to be what "what would the largest corporations want us to say"?
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

    Proponent of real science.
    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    Wow... that doesn't even make sense that a supposed 'free thinking' magazine would argue against a person's god-given right to choose what is best for himself (herself)...

    What frauds.
    Frauds, indeed.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Their first thought seems to be what "what would the largest corporations want us to say"?
    Yep. They are the reason why the left's critique of libertarians as corporate whores isn't 100 percent bull$#@!.

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    So much stupid ... both in the article and in the comments.

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    Reason are a mixed bag.

    On one hand, they attempt to portray libertarianism as mainstream and productive by doing everything they can to distance themselves from the Gigi Bowman wing of the liberty movement ideologically, sometimes to their detriment.
    On the other, they fuel the Gigi Bowman wing of the liberty movement by heaping lavish praise upon the likes of Gary Johnson and Robert Sarvis and criticizing liberty-minded Republicans.
    Last edited by compromise; 12-11-2013 at 01:34 PM.

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    "Just get your damn vaccines people" said the pretty looking robot lady.

    "One thing my years in Washington taught me is that most politicians are followers, not leaders. Therefore we should not waste time and resources trying to educate politicians. Politicians will not support individual liberty and limited government unless and until they are forced to do so by the people," says Ron Paul."

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    Here's a real out there question for the people opposed to mandatory vaccination (I'm on the fence): If an unvaccinated person transmits a preventable disease to another person, does the person that became infected have the right to sue for damages? If the person dies should the unvaccinated person be charged with negligent homicide?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brandon View Post
    Here's a real out there question for the people opposed to mandatory vaccination (I'm on the fence): If an unvaccinated person transmits a preventable disease to another person, does the person that became infected have the right to sue for damages? If the person dies should the unvaccinated person be charged with negligent homicide?
    Uhhhhh....

    If the person that contacts the disease is already vaccinated, then sue Big Pharma. If they are not vaccinated, then they made the same choice as the person with the disease, who was not vaccinated.
    There is no spoon.



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    Quote Originally Posted by brandon View Post
    Here's a real out there question for the people opposed to mandatory vaccination (I'm on the fence): If an unvaccinated person transmits a preventable disease to another person, does the person that became infected have the right to sue for damages? If the person dies should the unvaccinated person be charged with negligent homicide?
    No and no. Any other questions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brandon View Post
    Here's a real out there question for the people opposed to mandatory vaccination (I'm on the fence): If an unvaccinated person transmits a preventable disease to another person, does the person that became infected have the right to sue for damages? If the person dies should the unvaccinated person be charged with negligent homicide?
    Haven't there been cases of people winning damages for STD transmission? I don't think this is any different really.


    I don't think you could get it through criminal court, as it would be hard to prove that the infection passed directly from person A to person B. But civil court would probably award some damages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Haven't there been cases of people winning damages for STD transmission? I don't think this is any different really.


    I don't think you could get it through criminal court, as it would be hard to prove that the infection passed directly from person A to person B. But civil court would probably award some damages.
    The "Fiscally conservative/socially liberal" bit is not helping.
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    Careful, there is no reason to inflame the young. The way I see it statist sternographies, like this, help the ingenuous vette their sources. $#@! reason, come to me with a needle and I will give you prick. Wont be a flesh one . Next they will be calling for the incarceration of everyone because, "Nature dur dur dur durrrr," that's why.

    As if a needed another reason. Thiel, pull your nominal libertarian head out of your statist ass.
    Last edited by bolil; 12-11-2013 at 01:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFanatic View Post
    The "Fiscally conservative/socially liberal" bit is not helping.
    I meant to quote "compromise" here, not you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFanatic View Post
    The "Fiscally conservative/socially liberal" bit is not helping.
    Yeah, or "free markets, free minds" as Reason say. Just saying that stuff alienates both conservatives and liberals instantly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by compromise View Post
    Yeah, or "free markets, free minds" as Reason say. Just saying that stuff alienates both conservatives and liberals instantly.
    But they always have a great quote for the New York Times or Washington Post to justify government. The $#@! in the leather jacket is always great when he's getting pummeled by blithering idiots on the Bill Maher show too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Haven't there been cases of people winning damages for STD transmission? I don't think this is any different really.


    I don't think you could get it through criminal court, as it would be hard to prove that the infection passed directly from person A to person B. But civil court would probably award some damages.
    It's different in that the vaccinated have received a product that has not performed as it was sold to have performed. So the responsibility rests on the vaccine manufacturer to pay for damages.



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    Quote Originally Posted by moostraks View Post
    It's different in that the vaccinated have received a product that has not performed as it was sold to have performed. So the responsibility rests on the vaccine manufacturer to pay for damages.
    Vaccines, like condoms, don't claim 100% effectiveness rates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brandon View Post
    Vaccines, like condoms, don't claim 100% effectiveness rates.
    Then another reason that no one should be advocating force.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgt150 View Post
    But they always have a great quote for the New York Times or Washington Post to justify government. The $#@! in the leather jacket is always great when he's getting pummeled by blithering idiots on the Bill Maher show too.
    Nick Gillespie? He handled Bill Maher and Rachel Maddow extremely well, mopped the floor with em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rambone View Post
    Reason Magazine says that there is "no principled libertarian case for vaccine refusal," in Ronald Bailey's "pragmatic argument for coercive vaccination."

    I thoroughly debunk this tripe and set the record straight on libertarianism. Reason has a faction of militant "science" promoters who care absolutely nothing about liberty.

    Reason Magazine openly advocates forced vaccination | Police State USA




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    What is the difference between preventing you from shooting at me or mine with a firearm or preventing you from infecting me with a communicable disease while at a public place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Reason magazine is all over the place. Seems that they cater to corporate donors at times.
    That's a great point.

    Reason is worse than Bloomberg on this issue. At least he let's people opt out for religious reasons.
    http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?se...lth&id=9355853

    NEW YORK (WABC) -- New York City will soon require young children who go to preschool or day care to get flu shots.

    The Board of Health voted Wednesday in favor of the mandatory vaccine for children under 6.

    Health officials say the measure will save lives. And Dr. Jay Varma, deputy commissioner for disease control, says the measure could keep as many as 20,000 city kids from getting sick.

    The initiative takes effect in 30 days. The vaccine will be required for about 150,000 children.

    Parents may opt out for medical and religious reasons.

    "We estimate that 10 to 25,000 kids won't suffer the flu because of that vaccine . For every 100 kids under the age of 5, 40 of them will get sick in any year from the flu," said Dr. Jay Varma, Deputy Commissioner for Disease Control for New York City.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Contumacious View Post
    What is the difference between preventing you from shooting at me or mine with a firearm or preventing you from infecting me with a communicable disease while at a public place?

    .
    2 different kinds of "force".

    Why don't we castrate you, in case you might rape someone?
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