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    House Republicans Want To Impeach Eric Holder For Refusing To Defend Unconstitutional Law

    WASHINGTON -- A fringe group of House Republicans announced this week they will try to make Attorney General Eric Holder the first cabinet official to be impeached since the reconstruction era. One of the reasons? He didn't defend an unconstitutional law.

    One of the articles of impeachment against Holder backed by a small group of House Republicans, including Reps. Michele Bachmann (Minn.), Ted Yoho (Fla.) and Pete Olson (Texas), involves the Justice Department's decision not to defend key provisions of the Defense of Marriage Act in federal court. The Supreme Court, of course, agreed with the Obama administration's conclusion that the federal law recognizing only opposite-sex marriages was unconstitutional, and it struck down a portion of the law over the summer.

    The Republicans also targeted Holder's decision not to sue Washington and Colorado for deciding to regulate rather than criminalize marijuana, arguing that he's not enforcing the Controlled Substances Act.


    There are no signs that House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) will act on the resolution, Politico reports, and his office is referring calls elsewhere. House Republicans previously voted to find Holder in contempt of Congress because the Justice Department refused to turn over certain documents related to the botched ATF operation known as Fast and Furious. Holder said earlier this year the vote didn't have a big impact on him because he had no respect for anyone who voted to hold him in contempt.

    During a visit to St. Louis on Thursday as part of his Smart on Crime push, Holder criticized the "meaningless partisan" impeachment effort and said the resolution included "factually incorrect" allegations.

    “I have serious things, serious things that I have to engage in," Holder said. "That is how I’m going to be spending my time and I’m not going to be devoting much attention to those kinds of things."
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    Never enough votes in a house divided by payola. One might get the feeling that it might be planned that way.

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    Holder should definitely be impeached but they're doing it for all the wrong reasons.

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    Its honestly like the republicans never want to win another presidential election, shut the $#@! up about gay marriage.
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    So....Fast & Furious is Ok but the neocons want Holder impeached over personal liberty.

    Go figure.
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    I don't care about gay marriage, but their base does. It will be another 20 years before the GOP candidates can run on a gay friendly platform. Which is insane considering theyre like 4% of the population. And its not like they were chained up and sold, or put in seperate schools BUt they bitch and moan about themselves so much they made themselves far more important than anybody deserves to be.

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    The Republicans also targeted Holder's decision not to sue Washington and Colorado for deciding to regulate rather than criminalize marijuana
    bunch of f#cking idiots these assclowns are. for all the scum this guy is, they pick about the only good thing he and his boss have done and go after him for that.

    there's a reason I consider myself a libertarian (though i'm an "elected" republican): I just don't want to be associated with these people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    I don't care about gay marriage, but their base does. It will be another 20 years before the GOP candidates can run on a gay friendly platform. Which is insane considering theyre like 4% of the population. And its not like they were chained up and sold, or put in seperate schools BUt they bitch and moan about themselves so much they made themselves far more important than anybody deserves to be.

    God I hate liberals and the people that love them.
    Im not saying you have to be gay friendly, but is gay marriage really going to matter if the dollar collapses?
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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    On an unrelated note, is it bad if a bad thing is done to a bad person for bad reasons.
    I think so, because the media can then spin it and make Holder look like a good guy. The only spin on Fast and Furious was "bush did it". If he goes after marijuana states hes going to piss off a lot of democrats
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    Bachmann must live in constant fear that her husband will come out of the closet and leave her. She needs government to help her keep him in that closet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    So....Fast & Furious is Ok but the neocons want Holder impeached over personal liberty.

    Go figure.
    If you had bothered to read any of the supporting documentation, you would know there are four charges relating to impeachment, and Fast & Furious with the related criminal contempt of Congress leads the list. The other three are just a "bonus".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Bachmann must live in constant fear that her husband will come out of the closet and leave her. She needs government to help her keep him in that closet.
    LOL!

    I don't think the "Full faith and credit" clause was ever conceptually intended to apply for gay marriages that are recognized in one state but not recognized at all in another state. The point was that if a couple got married (or whatever) in NC they wouldn't have to pay a penalty if they moved to SC or another state.

    That said, I don't really care, and I don't see why anyone else does either.

    On the other hand, the drug issue is absolutely, positively ridiculous. This shows that the GOP is no better than the Democrats.

    And yes, Holder should be removed, and not for this reason.
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    I understand what you guys are saying, but this is dangerous what Obama's administration is doing. If the President didn't like the legislation, he should have vetoed it. He didn't do that; instead, he thinks he can pick and choose which parts of the law he will enforce. This is dangerous and I'm sure you can see why.

    At this point, the place to get it declared unconstitutional is with the Supreme Court. Agreeing with what the President did, just gives you stamp of approval of the growing dictatorial powers of the Executive Branch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    I understand what you guys are saying, but this is dangerous what Obama's administration is doing. If the President didn't like the legislation, he should have vetoed it. He didn't do that; instead, he thinks he can pick and choose which parts of the law he will enforce. This is dangerous and I'm sure you can see why.

    At this point, the place to get it declared unconstitutional is with the Supreme Court. Agreeing with what the President did, just gives you stamp of approval of the growing dictatorial powers of the Executive Branch.
    SCOTUS ruled that the line item veto was unconstitutional. This is 10 times worse than that.

    If the Holder admin thought the law was illegal, there are processes in which they can get a stay while the case winds its way through the courts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pericles View Post
    If you had bothered to read any of the supporting documentation, you would know there are four charges relating to impeachment, and Fast & Furious with the related criminal contempt of Congress leads the list. The other three are just a "bonus".

    Wow. And yet the original poster chose to highlight the only one that he knew would divide the conservatives against the libertarians. I'm sure it's just a coincidence.



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    I happen to think that it is the duty of every Federal government employee from the President to the guy that cleans the toilets in the Smithsonian to REFUSE to enforce unconstitutional laws even if the Supreme Court says they are constitutional.

    But Fast and Furious is a good reason for impeachment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Wow. And yet the original poster chose to highlight the only one that he knew would divide the conservatives against the libertarians. I'm sure it's just a coincidence.
    Don't forget the usual suspect, the media propaganda machine. The Huffpost article only mentions gay marriage and marijuana.
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    Yep, the impeachment charges looked pretty good until they tossed in the paragraph about deserving impeachment due to refusing to enforce nonviolent crimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    So....Fast & Furious is Ok but the neocons want Holder impeached over personal liberty.

    Go figure.
    Actually, I'm not sure if it's mentioned in that article, but Fast and Furious was the first provision that was mentioned in the article I read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pericles View Post
    If you had bothered to read any of the supporting documentation, you would know there are four charges relating to impeachment, and Fast & Furious with the related criminal contempt of Congress leads the list. The other three are just a "bonus".
    I don't spend my life on the forum or at the HuffPost.

    If the OP wants to emphasize certain issues, they should be included, don'tcha think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Don't forget the usual suspect, the media propaganda machine. The Huffpost article only mentions gay marriage and marijuana.

    HuffPo is actually a bunch of bloggers who rewrite press releases. Anybody who gets news from there deserves to be ridiculed. And anybody that reposts it here deserves to be questioned.
    Last edited by angelatc; 11-16-2013 at 03:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    So....Fast & Furious is Ok but the neocons want Holder impeached over personal liberty.

    Go figure.
    Neoconservatives favor big government, have little to no opposition to the welfare state, are Wilsonian in their foreign policy views and have a hostility towards religion in politics & government. The articles of impeachment were drawn up by Olson (TX), and are being cosponsored by Roe (TN), Yoho (FL), Westmoreland (GA), Bucshon (IN), Farenthold (TX), Weber (TX), Williams (TX), Flores (TX), Gohmert (TX), Bachmann (MN). I don't think you can classify any of these as neoconservatives, they are not all Jeffersonian in their FP views, but they aren't Wilsonian either, and based upon their voting records they aren't supportive of the welfare state. In fact, Yoho, was endorsed by Ron Paul and YAL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Wow. And yet the original poster chose to highlight the only one that he knew would divide the conservatives against the libertarians. I'm sure it's just a coincidence.
    I usually don't post the whole article, nor do I read the whole article. I did post like 10 threads in a row which included this one.

    Update OP.
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    The Republicans also targeted Holder's decision not to sue Washington and Colorado for deciding to regulate rather than criminalize marijuana, arguing that he's not enforcing the Controlled Substances Act.
    I'm not a fan of holder, he should be in prison for "fast and furious", but I thought republicans are for giving back to the states their authority to govern their own people. We can nullify, but he can not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptLouAlbano View Post
    Neoconservatives favor big government, have little to no opposition to the welfare state, are Wilsonian in their foreign policy views and have a hostility towards religion in politics & government. The articles of impeachment were drawn up by Olson (TX), and are being cosponsored by Roe (TN), Yoho (FL), Westmoreland (GA), Bucshon (IN), Farenthold (TX), Weber (TX), Williams (TX), Flores (TX), Gohmert (TX), Bachmann (MN). I don't think you can classify any of these as neoconservatives, they are not all Jeffersonian in their FP views, but they aren't Wilsonian either, and based upon their voting records they aren't supportive of the welfare state. In fact, Yoho, was endorsed by Ron Paul and YAL.
    Didn't Massie cosponsor it as well?

    Edit: Yes, Massie did sign on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eduardo89 View Post
    Didn't Massie cosponsor it as well?
    I was looking at the Roll Call article from the 13th. Here's the bill. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...0s:@@@P|/bss/|

    Massie is a co-sponsor. So are Duncan (SC) and Stockman (TX). Lousy neo-cons

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptLouAlbano View Post
    I was looking at the Roll Call article from the 13th. Here's the bill. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...0s:@@@P|/bss/|

    Massie is a co-sponsor. So are Duncan (SC) and Stockman (TX). Lousy neo-cons
    There are a lot of Ron Paul endorsed neocons: Massie, Yoho, Weber, and Stockman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eduardo89 View Post
    There are a lot of Ron Paul endorsed neocons: Massie, Yoho, Weber, and Stockman.
    Haha. Yeah there are.

    It's a shame that on a political forum, where people are supposedly educated on the issues more so than the general public, the "neo-con" label is tossed around so haphazardly.

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    The Supreme Court was right to strike down the defense of marriage act as being unconstitutional, because that particular provision of the law violated the 10th amendment, since the federal government doesn't have the authority to define marriage. But Kennedy's decision didn't actually have anything to do with the 10th amendment. He just came up with some bogus ruling that the defense of marriage act is unconstitutional because it's "discriminatory" or some other such nonsense. So that was the correct ruling, but for all the wrong reasons. It wasn't a victory for federalism or limited government.

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