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Thread: Rand Paul Responds to Ron: 'Chris Kyle Was a Hero'

  1. #151
    Quote Originally Posted by awake View Post
    Is there something that makes you think that he did not write it?

    BTW Kyle was in the Merc business... http://www.thecraft.com/training_MIL.html
    And many of his students are law enforcement (shudders) as well as ex-military.



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  3. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by Austrian Econ Disciple View Post
    When you're getting salutes from BEN SHAPIRO, you better start watching a little more closely. Rand...I hardly knew thee. How fast you have crossed the meridian.
    I thought Ben Shapiro was a good guy.
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  5. #153
    Quote Originally Posted by Bastiat's The Law View Post
    Kyle's actions during wartime are only "questionable" to a fringe element. Too everyone else, he was protecting the lives of his fellow soldiers, period.
    Totally agree. I'm extremely anti-war and the guy used poor judgement taking someone with mental issues to a shooting range. But he absolutely nothing wrong in war and I'm thankful for people like Chris Kyle.

  6. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by awake View Post
    It's not common sense to water down the words that convey the full force of ones principles, and presenting the unadulterated message is fine.

    People need to stop glorifying mass slaughter of people in foreign lands and the individuals who carry it out ... And for the love of all that is sweet liberty, individuals need to stop apologizing, back pedaling and rephrasing the telling of the truth.
    OK, and can you show me where I said any of that in my post? Maybe take moment and actually try to read what I said. Likewise, it seems you are unable to appreciate the fact that alot of people are raised getting their heads filled with this stuff, yes, they can be taught a new way, but do you honestly think anyone is going to listen to you with your "bash them over the head with my truth" tactics?
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  7. #155
    I for one will be the first to say that if the liberty message needs to become more 'voter friendly' and 'main streamed', you can take 2016 and shove it clean up Ronald Regans wazoo. That's because those friendly to watering down Ron Paul will find yourself where the liberty movement found themselves then: sold out and dissolved awaiting evacuation into a swirling vortex of waste water.

  8. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by sailingaway View Post
    I disagree, but I really don't want to have an argument on a 'suppose' someone here flat made up.
    I'm still wondering how it makes any difference. I'm not trying to argue, just asking you where the deception is. I don't see it.
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  9. #157
    Quote Originally Posted by awake View Post
    I for one will be the first to say that if the liberty message needs to become more 'voter friendly' and 'main streamed', you can take 2016 and shove it clean up Ronald Regans wazoo. That's because those friendly to watering down Ron Paul will find yourself where the liberty movement found themselves then: sold out and dissolved awaiting evacuation into a swirling vortex of waste water.
    I am in agreement.

  10. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by misean View Post
    But he absolutely nothing wrong in war and I'm thankful for people like Chris Kyle.
    Perhaps you will get top be the victim of one of this students. Wouldn't that be lucky.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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  11. #159
    Quote Originally Posted by misean View Post
    Totally agree. I'm extremely anti-war and the guy used poor judgement taking someone with mental issues to a shooting range. But he absolutely nothing wrong in war and I'm thankful for people like Chris Kyle.
    He did nothing wrong? I couldn't disagree more. Would you defend nazi stormtroopers the same way you defend Chris Kyle? Why are you thankful for someone fighting in a war that you don't agree with? You're contradicting yourself.
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  12. #160
    doesn't sound like Ron runs his twitter account either.

    Just doesn't sound like something he'd say.
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  14. #161
    Quote Originally Posted by awake View Post
    I for one will be the first to say that if the liberty message needs to become more 'voter friendly' and 'main streamed', you can take 2016 and shove it clean up Ronald Regans wazoo. That's because those friendly to watering down Ron Paul will find yourself where the liberty movement found themselves then: sold out and dissolved awaiting evacuation into a swirling vortex of waste water.
    Well, you much man aren't you? How about you watch this video of Tom Davis when they asked him why he endorsed Ron Paul and how he felt about Ron's Foreign Policy views, was this "watered down"?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPy_U6k5W-k
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  15. #162
    Quote Originally Posted by PaulConventionWV View Post
    I'm still wondering how it makes any difference. I'm not trying to argue, just asking you where the deception is. I don't see it.
    I explained it as best I can.
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  16. #163
    Quote Originally Posted by PaulConventionWV View Post
    He did nothing wrong? I couldn't disagree more. Would you defend nazi stormtroopers the same way you defend Chris Kyle? Why are you thankful for someone fighting in a war that you don't agree with? You're contradicting yourself.
    Americans were in the war. If you are in a war, you fight to win. He saved American lives. I'm unfortunately not stunned by the comparison of Americans to Nazi stormtroopers.

  17. #164
    Quote Originally Posted by misean View Post
    Americans were in the war. If you are in a war, you fight to win. He saved American lives. I'm unfortunately not stunned by the comparison of Americans to Nazi stormtroopers.
    Don't your own words make it an apt comparison?

    German soldiers were in a war, fought to win, and saved German lives. Like Kyle, they were just following orders.

  18. #165
    Quote Originally Posted by PaulConventionWV View Post
    He's obviously saying you were using the slippery slope fallacy. Well... were you?
    Nope.
    slippery slope
    You said that if we allow A to happen, then Z will eventually happen too, therefore A should not happen.
    I said nothing of the kind.
    I said i would wish a hearty Good Riddance to Charles Manson as well.

    That is why the WTF? it has absolutely nothing to do with my post. and nothing to do with the thread.
    Nothing at all. Hence,, the question?????????
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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  19. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by Butchie View Post
    Well, you much man aren't you? How about you watch this video of Tom Davis when they asked him why he endorsed Ron Paul and how he felt about Ron's Foreign Policy views, was this "watered down"?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPy_U6k5W-k

    Ho about we keep it on topic and on tweet...

  20. #167
    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    Don't your own words make it an apt comparison?

    German soldiers were in a war, fought to win, and saved German lives. Like Kyle, they were just following orders.
    No.

  21. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by misean View Post
    No.
    Precisely. It is different because this is America! $#@! yeah!



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  23. #169
    Quote Originally Posted by misean View Post
    Americans were in the war. If you are in a war, you fight to win. He saved American lives. I'm unfortunately not stunned by the comparison of Americans to Nazi stormtroopers.
    Here,, allow me to clear that up for you.

    Americans were invading a country for plunder. If you are invading and plundering, you fight to crush any resistance. He saved Invaders lives.
    Does that help.
    There is absolutely NO Justification for us being there at all. NONE.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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  24. #170
    As a medically retired US Army Infantryman my opinion is that nowhere near everyone who dons the uniform is a hero. In fact, I'd say most that do are not heroes. This is rhetoric that forces people into accepting an agenda or risk looking unpatriotic.

  25. #171
    Quote Originally Posted by misean View Post
    Americans were in the war. If you are in a war, you fight to win. He saved American lives. I'm unfortunately not stunned by the comparison of Americans to Nazi stormtroopers.
    Are you denigrating the skilled officers of the German Army?

  26. #172
    Quote Originally Posted by nasaal View Post
    As a medically retired US Army Infantryman my opinion is that nowhere near everyone who dons the uniform is a hero. In fact, I'd say most that do are not heroes. This is rhetoric that forces people into accepting an agenda or risk looking unpatriotic.
    Exactly. It's a mechanism to shut down any opposition. Those who actually defend it....I can't grasp the cognitive dissonance they must have.
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  27. #173
    Quote Originally Posted by Austrian Econ Disciple View Post
    When you're getting salutes from BEN SHAPIRO, you better start watching a little more closely. Rand...I hardly knew thee. How fast you have crossed the meridian.
    Haven't you been posting stuff like this every three months for a few years? You look bad acting like you're shocked when you're not.

  28. #174
    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    Full text of OP so you don't have to go to Breitbart:

    Congratulations, Rand. You scored another one for the warmongers.

    And YES, Liberty Eagle...I. DO. DARE.
    You really just look for reasons to hate Rand.

    Frankly I think that Rons statement was pretty harsh, but more a commentary on the wars than the warriors who may just be misguided by "defending" their country to the benefit of only a few in reality.

    Rand however still has political ambitions, so yes, just like any considerate human being trying to be supportive, he saved his real views for another time.

    Its not like its uncommon for people to say nice things they may not fully mean when someone dies.

    Ron has earned the ability to be frank and speak about the larger theme at play, Rand hasn't earned the right to be so blunt about a soldiers death (and hasn't had to see it for nearly as long as Ron to be so sick of it)
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  29. #175
    Quote Originally Posted by sailingaway View Post
    I explained it as best I can.
    I guess I just don't see how living the same way whether or not he was involved in a pincer would involve deception. I just can't fathom how that would be deceptive to anyone.
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  30. #176
    Quote Originally Posted by misean View Post
    Americans were in the war. If you are in a war, you fight to win. He saved American lives.
    Weren't the nazis doing the same thing? They were in a war, and some of them saved german lives.



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  32. #177
    Quote Originally Posted by misean View Post
    Americans were in the war. If you are in a war, you fight to win. He saved American lives. I'm unfortunately not stunned by the comparison of Americans to Nazi stormtroopers.
    If a group of robbers breaks into your house and you point a rifle at them trying to defend yourself, which causes one of the intruders to shoot you, would you say the killing was justified, because he saved his fellow robbers' lifes?

    If the war is unjustified, then resistence to it might be more moral than trying to win it. As others have pointed out, by your logic you couldn't condemn any individual action of any soldier on the battlefield in the history of mankind.

  33. #178
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Here,, allow me to clear that up for you.



    Does that help.
    There is absolutely NO Justification for us being there at all. NONE.
    Plunder? We didn't take their oil. We didn't take their land. Making a bad strategic decision against a country with a leader who gases his own people and tried to assassinate a US President is far different from making lampshades out of humans and conquering an entire continent. And then subjugating them to National Socialism.

  34. #179
    Quote Originally Posted by misean View Post
    Plunder? We didn't take their oil. We didn't take their land. Making a bad strategic decision against a country with a leader who gases his own people and tried to assassinate a US President is far different from making lampshades out of humans and conquering an entire continent. And then subjugating them to National Socialism.
    "We" didn't plunder anything. Nothing the regime in DC does is ever for "our" benefit. But it's always for somebody's benefit.

    Politicians sent those troops to war to serve somebody's interest, and everything those troops did was in the service of whoever's interest that was.
    Last edited by erowe1; 02-04-2013 at 09:12 PM.

  35. #180
    Quote Originally Posted by SchleckBros View Post
    “Chris Kyle was a hero like all Americans who don the uniform to defend our country. Our prayers are with his family during this tragic time.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...ponds-Ron-Paul
    Ugh, what an awful statement. Tell that to all the dead civilians that have been killed and injured by these "heroes."

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