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Thread: Peter Schiff: Let's Turn the GOP into the Libertarian Party

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    Good Job Peter Schiff 2010!
    Keep up the good work everyone, we all play a part; the world is watching and we are on stage!

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    Was this well received? LOL
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    Peter Schiff was right... again.

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    I agree with Schiff. We should also try to drag the Constitution Party into it. If you interpret their policy positions correctly (i.e. with respect to the Constitution) there are no differences between that and the LP which merit fussing over. The CP and LP should just work out their (minor) differences and merge.

    The anarcho-capitalists need to realize that until we restore constitutional rule, they are just pissing in the wind. Once that huge task is accomplished, then they can split off to continue the revolution...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Ducker View Post
    I agree with Schiff. We should also try to drag the Constitution Party into it. If you interpret their policy positions correctly (i.e. with respect to the Constitution) there are no differences between that and the LP which merit fussing over. The CP and LP should just work out their (minor) differences and merge.

    The anarcho-capitalists need to realize that until we restore constitutional rule, they are just pissing in the wind. Once that huge task is accomplished, then they can split off to continue the revolution...
    yep, we need to focus on things of importance that we all agree on and not let things like abortion or flag burning amendments come between us when the economy,government and foreign policy is so screwed.
    "Remember that a government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take away everything you have. Barry Goldwater

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    Sure thats all fine and dandy, but I'd still prefer a party without the bad history be the vehicle in the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaosControl View Post
    Sure thats all fine and dandy, but I'd still prefer a party without the bad history be the vehicle in the long run.
    Yeah. From a historical perspective, it would make more sense to try to retake the Democratic Party than to try to take over a party we never had in the first place.



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    Quote Originally Posted by South Park Fan View Post
    Yeah. From a historical perspective, it would make more sense to try to retake the Democratic Party than to try to take over a party we never had in the first place.
    Well I suppose, but I was just thinking I don't much like the idea of associating with the party that's first president was responsible for the abolition of decentralized government and the beginning of meaningless warmongering.

    But the Democrat party has done plenty of wrong as well.

    I think we can use the trashy GOP in the short term, just long enough to where we have enough of a presence so that we can fix the laws that work to screw any third party's chances of winning anything. Then move on to a freedom party, whatever it may be called.

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    Quote Originally Posted by South Park Fan View Post
    Yeah. From a historical perspective, it would make more sense to try to retake the Democratic Party than to try to take over a party we never had in the first place.
    LOL! Good luck with that!

    The GOP has been a lot closer to the LP stance than the Dems have been in a very long time, here's a short list of the last presidents from either party to espouse and adhere to constitutional rule:

    GOP: Warren Harding, Cal Coolidge
    DEM: Grover Cleveland

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    Schiff hits the nail on the head here. So many mainline Republicans are dumb enough to just vote party line once Liberty Minded candidates emerge from republican primary races. They aren't going to vote Democrat, especially in Congressional races, Obama was an exception to the rule. People don't ordinarly get swept up in the euphoria of local Congressional races like they did in Obama's presidential run. I'm talking about the mainline Republicans who crossed over and voted for Obama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Ducker View Post
    LOL! Good luck with that!

    The GOP has been a lot closer to the LP stance than the Dems have been in a very long time, here's a short list of the last presidents from either party to espouse and adhere to constitutional rule:

    GOP: Warren Harding, Cal Coolidge
    DEM: Grover Cleveland
    Yeah, but that's still over eighty years ago. Why is trying to take over of the Democratic Party any more absurd than trying to take over the Republican Party?

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    Agreed, all the libertarian activist should first try to take over the GOP before trying to expand the LP.

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    Where can I watch this entire speech?

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    Quote Originally Posted by South Park Fan View Post
    Yeah, but that's still over eighty years ago. Why is trying to take over of the Democratic Party any more absurd than trying to take over the Republican Party?
    The Democratic Party leadership is strong because they are producing results at the polls.
    The Neocon leadership is weak because they lost power.
    Thus the logical position is to go after the weakened party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by South Park Fan View Post
    Yeah, but that's still over eighty years ago. Why is trying to take over of the Democratic Party any more absurd than trying to take over the Republican Party?
    Whichever Party, I think we need to all be on the same page, here in Louisiana and other red states, the GOP is probably the best bet,perhaps in the blue states, the Democratic Party would be best.. Just my two devalued cents
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Where can I watch this entire speech?
    Campaign for Liberty I think.
    "Remember that a government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take away everything you have. Barry Goldwater

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    Quote Originally Posted by torchbearer View Post
    The Democratic Party leadership is strong because they are producing results at the polls.
    The Neocon leadership is weak because they lost power.
    Thus the logical position is to go after the weakened party.
    Okay, I can understand that, but then why weren't libertarians trying to take over the Democratic Party for the last eight years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by torchbearer View Post
    The Democratic Party leadership is strong because they are producing results at the polls.
    The Neocon leadership is weak because they lost power.
    Thus the logical position is to go after the weakened party.
    Great points.
    "Remember that a government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take away everything you have. Barry Goldwater

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    Quote Originally Posted by South Park Fan View Post
    Okay, I can understand that, but then why weren't libertarians trying to take over the Democratic Party for the last eight years?
    We didn't know we had the numbers until Ron Paul in 2008.
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    Millard Fillmore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by torchbearer View Post
    We didn't know we had the numbers until Ron Paul in 2008.
    And if you looked at the results, we still don't have the numbers. 1.2 million out of 20 million primary voters doesn't win the election. We should probably face the fact that we can't beat the statists playing by their rules. Our efforts would probably be put to better use trying to obtain state- and local-level office rather than federal office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by South Park Fan View Post
    And if you looked at the results, we still don't have the numbers. 1.2 million out of 20 million primary voters doesn't win the election. We should probably face the fact that we can't beat the statists playing by their rules. Our efforts would probably be put to better use trying to obtain state- and local-level office rather than federal office.
    Small Minds.
    The numbers I am talking about are the numbers of people who show up to GOP meetings and to GOP caucuses when officers are elected.
    1.2million people don't show up for these things, only a handful.
    And also- in the LP only a handful show up for these things.
    We need that handful, to go with our current handful, and we will have super majority.
    99% of the people who vote republican don't participate in the party politics.
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    There are more Libertarians in the republican party than there are in the Libertarian party. And that is the truth. If you are a libertarian minded person and you feel you have to choose between Democrats and Republicans, you almost always go with Republicans.

    Many many people just want the government to get the hell out of their lives. Convince people you can and will do just that, and you will get elected over and over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stary Hickory View Post
    Many many people just want the government to get the hell out of their lives. Convince people you can and will do just that, and you will get elected over and over.
    I wish. If a politician told veterans that the government was never able to keep its promise to them, do you think that politician would be reelected?

    Personally, I'd hope the people would just suck it up and reclaim responsibility for their lives, but when the going gets rough ... people tend to look beyond themselves to bail themselves out of a mess.
    Last edited by tpreitzel; 05-31-2009 at 11:09 PM.

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    Use the LP mouse to scare GOP elephants.

    Schiff has an easier job libertarianizing the GOP in CT than others do in Social Con. states.

    The LP is needed in those places to make the SoCons be reasonable, or lose to the Dems.

    The LP is also a good proving ground for future GOP candidates everywhere.

    We're using the LP as a carrot/stick to reward/punish Republicans, as required per each election/district, herding them toward libertarian policy goals.

    Savvy politicians are figuring out that LP endorsements are a way to get "the Ron Paul people" without a word from The Man himself.
    This used to be a free system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Ducker View Post
    I agree with Schiff. We should also try to drag the Constitution Party into it. If you interpret their policy positions correctly (i.e. with respect to the Constitution) there are no differences between that and the LP which merit fussing over. The CP and LP should just work out their (minor) differences and merge.

    The anarcho-capitalists need to realize that until we restore constitutional rule, they are just pissing in the wind. Once that huge task is accomplished, then they can split off to continue the revolution...
    Wrong. The minarchists are the ones pissing in the wind. You will never be able to turn around an inherently evil organization that operates in a world of legalized plunder and violence as a means to "solve problems". Shrinking government is a fantasy. How is it different than trying to reform the KKK or the mafia?

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    I Am Not Convinced

    Turn a party which has done nothing to stop the destruction of innocent life in the womb (except in word only) into a party which believes people have the liberty to determine for themselves whether life can be destroyed in the womb is hardly a beneficial change nor is it a worthy goal.
    "Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country, for I am the LORD your God." - Leviticus 24:22

    "The main goal of the Constitution was intended to be the promotion of liberty, for all individuals equally." - Dr. Ron Paul (Ron Paul Liberty Report, 5/5/2021)

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    Quote Originally Posted by torchbearer View Post
    Small Minds.
    The numbers I am talking about are the numbers of people who show up to GOP meetings and to GOP caucuses when officers are elected.
    1.2million people don't show up for these things, only a handful.
    And also- in the LP only a handful show up for these things.
    We need that handful, to go with our current handful, and we will have super majority.
    99% of the people who vote republican don't participate in the party politics.
    Exactly! The vice chair of my local republican party is a C4L leader, this happened because we all ran for PCO positions at our precinct level, so they were able to vote on the local Republican party officers. I actually ran against the treasurer who was also running as a PCO in my precinct. I narrowly lost, I got 45 percent of the vote with no campaigning, she got about 51%. I will campaign in 2010, at least put up signs this time. The republican that ran against the democrat congressman in my district that's been in power forever also didn't lose by much. He was a Ron Paul supporter, and didn't take any lobby or PAC money. If he could have gotten some C4L money I think he could have done better. Since Norm Dicks voted for the war, and voted for the patriot act, and is also one of the biggest pork barrel spenders.
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    So the torture pictures need to be sensation before they are released?

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