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Thread: Learn What They Are: Fascism and Socialism

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    Learn What They Are: Fascism and Socialism

    For everybody's information:

    Fascism:

    Fascism is an especially virulent form of far-right populism. Fascism glorifies national, racial, or cultural unity and collective rebirth while seeking to purge imagined enemies, and attacks both revolutionary movements and liberal pluralism in favor of militarized, totalitarian mass politics.

    Fascism first crystallized in Europe in response to the Bolshevik Revolution and the devastation of World War I, and then spread to other parts of the world.

    If it is a post-WWII occurrence it should be called neofascist or neofascism unless it solely involves participants in older movements. Neofascists reinterpret fascist ideology and strategy in various ways to fit new circumstances.

    (Definition fount at: http://www.publiceye.org/glossary/glossary_big.html)

    Socialism:

    1. Any of various political philosophies that support social and economic equality, collective decision-making, and public control of productive capital and natural resources, as advocated by socialists.

    2. The socialist political philosophies as a group, including Marxism, libertarian socialism, democratic socialism, and social democracy.

    3. (Leninism) The intermediate phase of social development between capitalism and full communism. This is a strategy whereby the State has control of all key resource-producing industries and manages most aspects of the market, in contrast to laissez faire capitalism.

    4. (Classical Marxism) The international communist society where classes and the state no longer exist.

    (Deninition found at http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/socialism)



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    So can you have Socia-fascism?
    “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It’s not.”
    The Lorax, by Dr. Seuss

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    but wouldnt fascism be a type of socialism?


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    Both rely on violence in their administration, and I'm sure the two ideologies could be married together.

    My point it posting this was to show that the two are distinct, and that both are BAD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nodope0695 View Post
    Both rely on violence in their administration, and I'm sure the two ideologies could be married together.

    My point it posting this was to show that the two are distinct, and that both are BAD.
    Good video showing how close all the "isms" really are and the difference between a democracy and a republic.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...59166933078950
    "I'm not just trying to win or get elected. I am trying to change the course of history" - Ron Paul

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    Fascism is not far right. Nazi stood for National Socialist German Workers Party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alawn View Post
    Fascism is not far right. Nazi stood for National Socialist German Workers Party.

    Germany under Hitler was a marriage of Socialism and Fascism...however the true fascists during WWII were Musolini's government in Italy.

    If you look at how Hitler ran things, he used elements of Faschism and Socialism...which is ironic becasue one of his greates enemies, Russia, was Marxist/Lenninist, and his scapegoat for the burning of the Riechstag was communist terrorists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alawn View Post
    Fascism is not far right. Nazi stood for National Socialist German Workers Party.
    The word Nazi also is a lesser known reference to Jews of Eastern European heritage. It is an abbreviation of the hebrew "ashkenazim". The way I understand it, the far right are those of us that believe in limited government and free markets. I agree with the initial definitions put forth here, besides on that point.

    Quote Originally Posted by nodope0695 View Post
    Fascism is an especially virulent form of far-right populism.
    I disagree. I believe Fascism is centrist populism if it can be considered populist at all. Perhaps if the authoritarian regime coerces the populace's support...
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    Quote Originally Posted by nodope0695 View Post
    Fascism glorifies national, racial, or cultural unity...
    Well I'd say those that support these centrist "third way" viewpoints do proselytize upon the nation and culture.
    Quote Originally Posted by nodope0695 View Post
    ...and collective rebirth
    A common theme of every new administration.
    Quote Originally Posted by nodope0695 View Post
    while seeking to purge imagined enemies,
    *cough* Al Qaeda, Saddam, Taliban, War on Drugs, etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by nodope0695 View Post
    and attacks both revolutionary movements
    Nahhh =)
    Quote Originally Posted by nodope0695 View Post
    and liberal pluralism
    You gots beliefs!?!? You need to practice concentration! It's off to concentration camp for you!!
    Quote Originally Posted by nodope0695 View Post
    in favor of militarized, totalitarian mass politics.
    Sounds awfully familiar, doesn't it?

    This does not have to conflict with the definition of Socialism, it seems we have both. This fascist (corporatist) government has assumed the authority of equalizer by subsidizing handouts and attempting to herd the masses through compulsory public schooling. This training goes a long way to helping construct a hive mentality in the society which discourages original or rational thinking.



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    You voted for fascism, nodope

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    National-Socialism

    National=Flag waving Blow hards that have a pre-emptive war doctrine

    Socialism= a transition point between capitalism and communism

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    Socialism is when society can't decide to be communist or fascist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AutoDas View Post
    Socialism is when society can't decide to be communist or fascist.
    Socialism was what the elite (royals at the time) created to stem the ideas of Communism. The public is like Congress, easy to buy off. Give them a few free things and they are happy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alawn View Post
    Fascism is not far right. Nazi stood for National Socialist German Workers Party.
    It depends who you ask because these are all just words. John Birch Society line places anarchy on far right, and ALL big government isms on far left. Nolan Chart obviously uses the plain, so we'd be up, not right. However, I think a lot of people use a line that is just all gross with statism. You go right, fascism... left, communism... but they don't realize that it doesn't really matter. I'm assuming the people who use that line don't really have an understanding of the simple principle that government is generally the opposite of freedom.


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    I think "corporate facism" is the most accurate label for 21st century America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruno View Post
    Good video showing how close all the "isms" really are and the difference between a democracy and a republic.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...59166933078950
    QFT! This short documentary sums up the ideologies almost perfectly.

    OP, your definition of Fascism is actually the definition of Nazism. Fascism is simply government control (but not ownership) of key private industries. This is usually combined with violations of civil liberties and a facade of democracy.
    Force always attracts men of low morality. – Albert Einstein

    Government is essentially the negation of liberty. – Ludwig von Mises

    The great non-sequitur committed by defenders of the State, including classical Aristotelian and Thomist philosophers, is to leap from the necessity of society to the necessity of the State. - Murray N. Rothbard



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    Quote Originally Posted by Brassmouth View Post
    QFT! This short documentary sums up the ideologies almost perfectly.

    OP, your definition of Fascism is actually the definition of Nazism. Fascism is simply government control (but not ownership) of key private industries. This is usually combined with violations of civil liberties and a facade of democracy.
    Thanks for the clarification....I looked up the definitions on google...that's why I included the links to where I found them. I'm glad it spurred some discussion though...good stuff.

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    It sounds to me that we have a degree of both here and that both the candidates are suggesting increasing the degree of which we have both.
    Last edited by ChaosControl; 11-02-2008 at 08:40 AM.



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