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    Preparing for the PAW (Post Apocalyptic World) ModNote: COPY of original

    Preparing for the PAW (Post Apocalyptic World)

    Preparing for the PAW is neither cheap nor easy. As in all things, you can be frugal or you can be lavish. There is no one set of equipment and foodstuffs, but rather a set of basic principles to abide by in the preparation which can be addressed frugally or expensively. These principles can be laid out in segments as follows:

    Bugging In/Bugging Out
    Medical
    Food
    Weapons
    Ammunition
    Communications and
    Misc Equipment

    If the descriptions of the categories below begin to seem overwhelming, remember what I said in the first paragraph up top -- you can either do this frugally or expensively. You can set up a very very basic PAW kit which includes ALL of these categories for under $1,000; or you can go all out and drop $250,000 or more into it and still have many more things left that you can do to further prepare. The important part is recognizing the categories and addressing the various concerns in each one.

    OVERVIEW OF CATEGORIES

    Bugging In/Bugging Out

    First and foremost, bugging in and bugging out. Depending on what kind of shyt hits what kind of fan, will determine whether you stay put, or whether you head for the hills. Sitting it out in "fortress home" is called bugging in, and heading for the hills is called bugging out. Bugging out uses supplies and equipment you have on hand at home, while the primary component of bugging out is called a "bug out bag" or BOB. Bugging out can be as simple as a regular military style ALICE pack with some food clothing and ammo, and a good set of hiking boots, or it can be as fancy as a Bug Out Vehicle (BOV) rigged out like Mad Max with supplemental fuel tanks and so on.

    Medical

    Medical preparedness is important. You will probably not have access to the hospital in the PAW, so a good first aid kit is imperative. Even better, a fully stocked combat corpman's kit along with some paramedic training is a very good idea.

    Food

    Food storage is also important. When the world goes to hell in a handbasket, you aren't likely to find goodies at your local Wal Mart. Food stores tend to fall into 3 categories -- MRE's, Canned and/or freeze dried long term food stores, and bulk commodity foodstuffs. MRE's can be had military surplus, and will store longer than 10 years if kept under 60 degrees. MRE's can be had less expensively as knock-offs and are nearly as good, but MRE's are damn expensive. One year's supply for one person can run into the $5000 range. Canned long term food stores can be had with shelf lifes from 5 years to 100 years, and tend to be less expensive, one year for one person running around $1000 to $2000. Commodity foodstuffs include rice, wheat flour, dried beans etc, and are the cheapest of the lot, one year for one person coming in at $200 to $500. Your best bet is a combination of the three. Some MRE's for the BOB/BOV and anytime you may be out of the house for an extended period of weeks or months; some canned meats and vegetables, and some commodities.

    Weapons

    Weapons will be very important. Do not underestimate the utility of the .22 rifle! you can get 1000 rounds of .22 LR for $20 and they don't make a whole lot of noise (which draws a lot of attention!) The .22 is perfect for hunting small game, and it is quite frankly stupid to shoot a rabbit or a squirrel with a high powered rifle. You should have a .22 and around 5000 rounds of .22 LR and if you are not squeamish about cleaning rabbits or snake, then you will never starve. A decent pistol 9mm or better to help you fight your way back to your main battle rifle, and then a rifle in 5.56, .308 or .30-06

    Ammunition

    Ammunition -- you should have an ammo store on hand to feed your weapons, and a bench for reloading. Brass, while it is good to have extra, is not as crucial as you can collect your own brass to reload. You must have powder, primers, and projectiles, however. Because .22 LR cannot really be reloaded, you will want a full supply on hand. Say 5000 to 10,000 rounds. Any marksmanship training you need to do in the PAW can be done with the .22, and rounds for that rifle are cheap cheap cheap. You'll want about 500 to 700 pistol rounds, plus dies for reloading, and 2,000 to 3,000 rounds for your main battle rifle, plus dies for reloading.

    Communications and

    Communications covers items like short wave radios, and maybe even amateur radio setups. If you plan on working together in groups in the PAW, then some handsets might be a good idea. Handsets may be a good idea just for family members. If the power goes out, don't forget that you may want the ability to recharge your handsets by solar energy, or dynamo energy. An exercise bicycle can be retrofit pretty easily to generate electricity by foot-power. The crucial aspect will be storage batteries and transformers/converters.

    Misc Equipment

    Miscellaneous equipment is really the catch all. A gas mask is a good idea, a tactical vest, lanterns, flashlights, maybe a generator, a kerosine heater, water purification equipment, a propane cook stove, and lots of other miscellany. This includes field kit, canteens, ammo pouches, butt packs, load bearing gear; combat kit like flack vests or bulletproof vests, trauma plates, and survival/camping gear.



    Details in subsequent posts
    http://glenbradley.net/share/aleksan...nitsyn_4-t.gif “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn



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    Water purification is very important. Once the utilities go out, water will be in dire shortage. Go to your local outdoors or camping gear store and pick up a water filter and some water purification tablets. Water is more important than food. Also buy quite a few of those giant poland spring water dispensers.
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    Bugging In/Bugging Out

    First and foremost, bugging in and bugging out. Depending on what kind of shyt hits what kind of fan, will determine whether you stay put, or whether you head for the hills. Sitting it out in "fortress home" is called bugging in, and heading for the hills is called bugging out. Bugging out uses supplies and equipment you have on hand at home, while the primary component of bugging out is called a "bug out bag" or BOB. Bugging out can be as simple as a regular military style ALICE pack with some food clothing and ammo, and a good set of hiking boots, or it can be as fancy as a Bug Out Vehicle (BOV) rigged out like Mad Max with supplemental fuel tanks and so on.
    The immediate response to an apocalyptic event of any sort, is bugging. There are a lot of factors which determine if you need to bug in or to bug out.

    If you are deep in the heart of a city, then you are more likely to need to bug out, and if you are waaay out in the sticks, then you are more likely to want to bug in. If you are very talkative about your preparations, and you let everyone and their brothers know that you are ready for the PAW, then chances are you will eventually have to bug out, or fend off hundreds of starving people who just know you have food in there.

    BUGGING OUT

    The basic and most important element of bugging, is called the Bug Out Bag or BOB. This could be any sort of back pack for easy traveling on foot, and it's purpose is so that you can just pick it up and GO if something catastrophic happens, and know without doubt that you will be able to survive for a week without any kind of resupply whatsoever.

    Bug Out Bag (BOB)

    Your BOB should contain something like:

    Space Blanket or Sleeping Bag
    Several large plastic garbage bags
    3 Pair of boot socks
    3 Pair of underwear and t-shirts
    Vinyl large poncho
    Leather shooting/work gloves
    Bandana
    Pair of well-worn hiking boots
    20 ft para cord
    Large Cold Steel Bush knife
    Swiss Army knife
    Cold Steel entrenching tool
    Sharpening stone
    Compass
    Flashlight (possibly crank powered)
    First Aid kit
    Gas mask
    Personal toiletries, including (but not limited to):
    Soap
    Washcloth
    DEET
    Sunscreen
    Three MRE's
    Six "power bars"
    Water Bottle, 1.5 liter
    Water purification tablets
    Repair kit
    Duct tape
    20-lifeboat matches
    Plastic matchsafe with strike anywhere matches
    Flint and steel
    Tinder
    100 rounds of rifle ammo
    50 rounds of pistol
    Minimal weapons cleaning kit

    Bug Out Vehicle (BOV)

    If you have more money to spend, and think that walking is for the birds, you can also invest in a Bug Out Vehicle or BOV. A BOV is a lot more dynamic than a BOB, however, and depending on the scenario you face and the location you are in, could be anything from the "I don't want to be seen" ubiquitous Ford Taurus or older Honda Accord, to a serious off-road package truck or SUV.

    In either case, you want your BOV stocked with supplies similar to the BOB, but more of them. Plus a basic tool kit, a firearm, more food and ammo, camping supplies like a tent and camping stove, a full camping kit including foam/air mattresses, tarps, fold out chairs and tables.

    You can also hold more clothing in a BOV, and should have supplies to wash clothes in a river should the need arise. Enough line to string up a clothes line is a good idea.

    When you set up a BOV, it is a good idea to include an additional fuel cell/supplemental fuel tanks, and all the supplies your vehicle might need, oil, antifreeze, coolant, transmission fluid, brake fluid, window washer fluid, 4 spare tires if possible.

    Probably the most important thing is the most expensive: Supplemental fuel tanks. You can certainly get by with 4 5 gallon fuel cans, but your ultimate goal here is to at least double your vehicles fuel capacity, and thus your range without stopping for gas.

    Bug Out Location (BOL)

    When bugging out, you really don't want to just head out to the woods and hang around waiting for your supplies to run out. If you do that, you are really just delaying the inevitable. Plan ahead now to have somewhere to bug out TO. the best idea (although not cheap!) is some backwater cabin out in the mountains without power and maybe without roads, and certainly without a postal address.

    Minor BOL plans will take you to a remote location where you may have food, weapons, and ammo buried in a secret location, and you can plan on finding shelter from there. Major BOL plans could have you setting up a land/home package through shell companies in Montana or Alaska.

    A BOL should at minimum be some kind of basic rally point for your family and those who will be weathering the PAW with you, and should have the means to stock/hide additional supplies. If all you can come up with for a BOL is a spot in the wilderness which you can locate readily, then think of ways to bury things without ruining them. A 3" ID PVC pipe with caps securely clued to one end, and threaded with pipe tape on the other end can be completely sealed from humidity, water, dirt, etc and can contain extra food, extra ammunition, or maybe even a rifle.

    BUGGING IN

    Bugging in can be as simple as making sure you home is supplied with long term food storage, medical, and emergency supplies, or as complicated as setting up bunkers, fields of fire, approach funnels with concertina wire, and escape tunnels and underground shelters.

    If you are preparing for a conventional emergency, such as a hurricane, tornado, earthquake; then 3 months food supply should be more than adequate. If you are preparing for an all out PAW, then up to a years worth of food might not be a bad idea.

    You should know how to purify water, and keep rain buckets under your gutters. If you can set up a distiller for water and alcohol, that would also be a good thing. Distilled water is as pure as the driven snow (purer, actually) no mater what it's source is, and moonshine has a metric ton of medical and sanitary uses. You can even use moonshine to clean a countertop after cutting up raw chicken on it, for instance, or disinfect wounds, or as fuel for a portable stove etc etc. Just don't sell any of it until AFTER the PAW when it will become a community commodity and will no longer be illegal to sell.

    Consider a small generator, and gas to keep it running. When the power goes, your refrigerated and frozen food will go quickly thereafter. A generator can help to keep your refrigerator and/or freezer running long enough to hurry up and eat up your cold storage food before dipping into your long term food stores. You should not plan on keeping cold storage for a long period of time in the event of an extended blackout (months or longer).

    If you absolutely must have the creature comfort of a cold beverage, then you will want a small electric powered ice maker so that you don't have to generate as much power as your freezer will take, and have some coolers on hand to store ice. Also, a large horizontal deep freezer can be filled with ice from the ice maker and made to store larger game like deer once it is cleaned and butchered.

    If you are thinking about having the ability to bug in and fight off the zombie hoards, then it is possible (but quite expensive) to armor the walls of your home. A better solution is found in sandbags. Empty canvass sandbags are cheap, and you can buy them in lots of hundreds or thousands. they do not need to be kept filled in storage, and in the event of the SHTF, you can fill them with a shovel and dirt from your back yard. Sandbags can then be stacked against the walls 2 layers deep beneath your windows in order to set up fields of fire and yet remain behind cover.

    Consider at least one armored 'safe room' for your family to hide in case you have to fight off the zombie hoard. A small interior closet lined with 1/2 inch armor plates would do just fine. If you have real money, make that 1 inch armor, or ceramic plates, and also set up a faraday cage closet to keep any electronics you want to preserve from an EMP.

    Also consider making a hidden trap door from your 'safe closet' to the crawl space underneath your house in case you or your family have to get out of the house secretly.

    Outside the house, identify your avenues of approach early, before the SHTF, and set up cover in strategic points. Do not use concrete blocks to set up cover, as concrete is quickly degraded by high power rifles. Stone, solid cement, or solid clay brick works adequately. make sure your cover works in only one direction -- outwards -- you do not want zombies using YOUR cover points to attack your house. Identify and remove any natural cover that may be used to approach your house.

    Consider fencing immediately surrounding your house, and out to the property line. A chain link fence and a dog can be a very effective early warning system.

    If you live in a rural area and will be bugging in when the SHTF, it may be a good idea to set up a feed trough in the woods right now, and keep it stocked with feed corn to attract deer and other medium to large game, so tat when the time comes, you have a ready source of game on hand, and do not have to go out looking for it.

    Water supplies may be hairy when bugging in. Municipal water may not be available, and if it is, may not be safe. Along with collecting rainwater and gutter water, and having the ability to purify or distill it; you may want to identify nearby streams or other sources of water. If you are allowed to dig a well that can be hand pumped, this is the optimal solution.
    http://glenbradley.net/share/aleksan...nitsyn_4-t.gif “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

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    Quote Originally Posted by josephadel_3 View Post
    Water purification is very important. Once the utilities go out, water will be in dire shortage. Go to your local outdoors or camping gear store and pick up a water filter and some water purification tablets. Water is more important than food. Also buy quite a few of those giant poland spring water dispensers.
    Agreed. the best long-term solution is a deep well with a hand pump, and a fire powered distiller. Keeping a few 50 gallon drums of water in storage is not a bad idea either. Also, what Joseph said.
    http://glenbradley.net/share/aleksan...nitsyn_4-t.gif “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    Agreed. the best long-term solution is a deep well with a hand pump, and a fire powered distiller. Keeping a few 50 gallon drums of water in storage is not a bad idea either. Also, what Joseph said.
    Berkey water filter

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    This thread is cool. Reminds me of the Gummers from the 1990 movie Tremors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    Medical

    Medical preparedness is important. You will probably not have access to the hospital in the PAW, so a good first aid kit is imperative. Even better, a fully stocked combat corpman's kit along with some paramedic training is a very good idea.
    While it's true that many things will change following some kind of major cataclysm, some things will not. Women will continue to give birth, and people will continue to get sick and injured. In fact, some of the injuries may be more trauma related and less 'skin-your-knee-at-the-playground' related.

    Another thing that will change, is our access to commercial medicine. The local emergency room may continue operations in one form or another, but the likelihood is that for most medical problems that we are currently unaccustomed to dealing with, we will be on our own.

    If your child were to fall into a culvert and sustain a 2 inch laceration and a broken arm, would you know how to stitch up the wound and set the broken bone? Even if you knew how, do you have the supplies to do so?

    If there were absolutely no other choice, would you be able to remove a bullet, or an appendix? Even knowing that if you don't try they will die for certain?

    Medical Supplies

    Medical supplies, and medical training will become extremely valuable in the PAW. A very well stocked field corpsman kit can be found here:

    http://servicesrcsub1.timberlakepubl...er%2010-07.pdf

    (Warning - link is an Adobe Acrobat (PDF) file)

    The above PDF file is a source for ordering the kit (I honestly do not know if they will sell to civilians or not) but it does not mention a price. What it DOES do, is list the packs contents, which, if nothing else can suffice as a checklist for assembling your own field medical kit:

    NOMENCLATURE --- Quantity per Pack
    Airway, Nasopharengeal, sz 5.5 mm, 22 Fr Sterile Disp --- 1
    Airway, Nasopharengeal, sz 5.5 mm, 26 Fr Sterile Disp --- 1
    Crycrothrotomy set --- 1
    Intraoseous Infussion System (F.A.S.T 1) --- 1
    IV Injection Set, Macrodrip 10 drops/ml, 12's --- 5
    Marker, Tube Type Felt, Fine Tip, Black, Permanent, Sharpie --- 1
    Bandage, Elastic, 16 x 12 Abdominal wound pad, Sterile (Big Cinch) --- 2
    Bandage, Gauze Fluff 4.5 inch x 4 yrds --- 6
    Bandage, Muslin Camouflage 37 x 37 x 52 inch --- 6
    Self-Grip, 6" x 4 yrds, Beige --- 4
    Dressing, Compression, 6" x 3" x 1.5", H Bandage --- 12
    Sodium Chloride, Injection, USP, 500ml, 24's --- 4
    Splint, Universal, Aluminum, 4" x 36", SAMS --- 2
    Scissors, Bandage, 7.25 inch, angled handle --- 2
    Tape Adhesive, Surgical, Woven, 3" x 1- yrds --- 2
    Combat Medic Reinforcement Tape, Mini Roll Kit --- 2
    Tourniquet, Combat Application, One Handed (CAT) --- 4
    Wound Pack, Hemostatic Agent, 5 x 7 " (Quick Clot) --- 4
    Syringe, Toomey, 70 cc Sterile --- 1
    Dressing , Burn, Water Gel, 4" x 16 " --- 2
    Surgical Instrument Set, Minor Surgery --- 1
    Lantern, Electric, Head Mount Halogen/Krypton --- 1
    Otoscope & Opthalmoscope Set, Basic, Soft --- 1
    Thermometer Kit, Clinical Human Electric, w/Probe Covers --- 1
    Cannula, Needleless Access System IV w/Leur-lock inj site plastic --- 5
    Connector, Saline Lock --- 5
    Dressing Chest Wound Seal, Bolin, 10s --- 4
    Catheter & Needle Unit, IV 14 ga x 3 1/4 inch catheter --- 2
    Catheter & Needle Unit IV 18 ga x 1 1/4 cath --- 6
    Gloves, Patient Exam Olive Drab, Sz Lrg, 50's --- 2
    King-LT, Large, Size 5 --- 1
    King-LT, Medium, Size 4 --- 1
    Needle, Hypodermic, 18 Ga, 1.5 inches, 100's --- 2
    Pad Pre, Isopropyl Alcohol Impregnated, 1 x 2.5 inch --- 14
    Sponge, Surgical, 12-ply Gauze, 8" x 4", non-sterile --- 10
    Syringe, Hypodermic, Gen Purpose, 10 ml, Leur tip --- 2
    Pack, Thigh Rig for Day Use --- 1
    Combat Trauma Bag, V-2 --- 1
    Stethoscope, Littman Classis II 28 inches long --- 1
    Pack, Corpsman Assault --- 1

    The above supplies should cover nearly anything you are likely to encounter. The only thing the kit above does not include which you may need are disinfectants, anesthetics, and pain medications. 180 proof grain alcohol (moonshine) can fill at least some of that role. If you are able to legally acquire a stock of codeine tablets and morphine ampules that would be a good thing to include, but do not use them without a knowledge of dosing and possible reactions.

    Also, include a bottle of iodine. In the event of a nuclear detonation, immediately dose everyone in your party with about 2 teaspoons of iodine to protect the thyroid.

    **********************************
    EDIT TO ADD: IMPORTANT CORRECTION TO IODINE RADIATION TREATMENT:

    The proper way to protect against radiation poisoning destroying your thyroid is a relatively expensive pill made of Potassium Iodate.

    http://www.campingsurvival.com/potiodpilkio.html

    It's just possible that with the right meter (probably something like 1/8 tsp daily) you can use iodine to provide the same protection, but it is likely to make you extremely sick (which pretty much destroys your survival chances by preventing you from doing other equally necessary things), whereas the potassium iodate pills sold at the above link will not make you sick at all.
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    Other, more conventional medical kits cam be had here:
    http://www.first-aid-industrial.com/index.php?cPath=81
    http://www.firstaid-supply.com/Indus...l?wcw=overture



    Medical Training

    Organizations like the University of Phoenix offer EMT training where you can pick and choose your classes. because you will not be going for certification, but just for knowledge, you will have a lot more freedom:

    http://www.careerexplorer.net/jobcho...acctid=&ovkey=

    Here is a decent overview of EMT and Paramedic training:

    http://firstaid.about.com/od/emergen...oparamedic.htm

    And some reference material;

    http://www.overstock.com/Books-Movie...422886-000-000

    http://bergware.net/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/bookshelf?/Z101321

    Note that if you are building a medical library, there is no one book, but an entire LIBRARY of works covering the science and the art of medicine. Your best first reference will be a textbook when taking an EMT and Paramedic classes.
    Last edited by GunnyFreedom; 08-26-2009 at 04:20 PM.
    http://glenbradley.net/share/aleksan...nitsyn_4-t.gif “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn



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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    While it's true that many things will change following some kind of major cataclysm, some things will not. Women will continue to give birth, and people will continue to get sick and injured. In fact, some of the injuries may be more trauma related and less 'skin-your-knee-at-the-playground' related.

    lots of stuff...

    Note that if you are building a medical library, there is no one book, but an entire LIBRARY of works covering the science and the art of medicine. Your best first reference will be a textbook when taking an EMT and Paramedic classes.
    Despite having a professional doctorate, I feel like my education is wholly inadequate in this regard. I know nothing about how things, except for data and legal systems, work. I have considered doing ongoing classes at the local CC to fix this weakness, and emergency medicine is a good place to start.

    How relevant is a local EMT or paramedic progam to perhaps facing the potential of life threatening illness and injury, where little to no modern medical equipment is immediately available?

    This question is for anyone who has enough knowledge on the subject to speak to it intelligently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalifornia View Post
    Despite having a professional doctorate, I feel like my education is wholly inadequate in this regard. I know nothing about how things, except for data and legal systems, work. I have considered doing ongoing classes at the local CC to fix this weakness, and emergency medicine is a good place to start.

    How relevant is a local EMT or paramedic progam to perhaps facing the potential of life threatening illness and injury, where little to no modern medical equipment is immediately available?

    This question is for anyone who has enough knowledge on the subject to speak to it intelligently.
    Thats a hard call. Most EMTs use modern equipment like defibrilators, oxygen, nitroglycerin, neck braces, IV lines, etc. They are there to stabilize a person and get them to an emergency room for surgery or more advanced analysis. Basic First Aid, CPR is for until the EMTs arrive.

    It definitly would help to take such a course, as well as read about home remedies. Good to know basics for the start, simple little things like giving someone an asprin during a heart attack could save thier life. Id recommend taking a day CPR/First Aid class to give you an idea before taking an EMT program.
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    Every survivalist group I have seen during the last 30 years are ALL looking for trained medical folks. I know of one group that paid a young ladies entire way thru medical school just to make sure they had a Doctor. That maybe the one profession that will get you in just about survival camp if you have to bug out from your home and become a refugee. Yes I said refugee as that is really what folks are that have to bug out.

    You may want to start getting together with like minded folks now and find out if you will get along NOW while it is peaceful. Also work out now what your 'group' is going to do about other refugees. Are you gonna interview them in hopes you find some skill your group is lacking or what you will do with any survivors that attack your little piece of heaven on earth.

    NOW is the time to find out if you are going to hang them or encourage them to just move along to bother some other group.

    Sometime survivalism is NOT pretty, but it is reality.

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    Hey gunny,
    You got a link for those sandbags?
    Not only would they make for great defense, they'd make a wonderful home for Tom, Dick and Harry should you get cornered in your Urban bug in spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tekrunner View Post
    Hey gunny,
    You got a link for those sandbags?
    Not only would they make for great defense, they'd make a wonderful home for Tom, Dick and Harry should you get cornered in your Urban bug in spot.
    You can always try these guys:

    http://www.nyp-corp.com/sandbags.htm...FQIbgQodihhexw

    or here is even better:

    http://www.safetycentral.com/floodprotsan.html


    But the BEST source, seriously, is right here:

    http://www.unitedbags.com/pc-160-6-p...-1000bale.aspx

    Those are the same bags purchased under DOD contract. Only problem is, of course, from United Bags you have to buy in lots of 1000. 1000 DOD spec bags from united bags will run $380. Yes, $380 is a lot to pay for sandbags, but it's a lot less than the $1.10 per bag price you get for lots of 100.

    If you want to get just stupid about the quantities these guys will get you an even better price per bag in lots of 2400 (but you have to specifically request a quote):

    http://daybag.com/industrial/military.html
    http://glenbradley.net/share/aleksan...nitsyn_4-t.gif “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

  16. #14
    Well i've been stocking up for a while now, and my priorities are based on needs:

    Generally speaking......
    You can live 2 weeks without food
    You can live 3 days without water
    You can live a few hours without weapons

    Priority # 1 is weapons/ammo. If you don't have these, anything you do have can be easily taken by someone who does have weapons and ammo.

    Priority # 2 is water. The majority of time in an post apocalyptic scenario will be used in search of clean drinking water. Bringing a couple months supply of water and water purification system (with additional filters) is vital.

    Priority # 3 is food. Since you CAN live quite a while without food, a large kill or two per week could hold you over. However, planning ahead by having an on-hand supply of a couple months is a good decision. Canned or freeze dried food are good/cheap ideas. Rice is also good. Not to be overlooked is Ramen Noodles.......which is the cheapest option ( 10 cents for a day, not bad). As we are seeing, the first thing to be "rationed" is rice.

    Not in my little list up top, but worth mentioning to say the least, is shelter. Depending on your environment, this COULD be the most important or the least important. However, only establish a shelter where you have reliable access to the 3 priorities.......in the woods along a river or something to that effect.

    Once you have a spot chosen for your shelter, you can fortify it depending on its perminance. If you're going to be staying there for a long time you can make it from wood or something durable, with thick walls (mine will be thick enough to stop bullets). The surrounding area should be alarmed........something as simple as fishing line and tins cans......or snares and bear traps if you REALLY don't want company.

    As far as specific items, i won't tell you what caliber guns to get etc etc (though to be honest, Gunny hit the nail on the head with 22LR) but i do advise a good supply of rope. You can get 1000ft of parachute cord for about 30 bucks, which is what i have. Second to your firearm, rope is the most useful, since with it you can build shelter, set up defences/alarms, bring in food, and about 1000 other uses you won't know about until you need it.

    Some other suggestions......

    Flint lighter (6 bucks at cabellas). Lights wet, muddy, and doesn't need "fuel". Good for thousands of fires, unlike conventional lighters and matches.

    9v "Pak light". One 9v battery and this little light can provide constant light for months without recharging.

    Anarchists cookbook. Seriously, there are plenty of things you can learn from this that will help you in survival situations. A bonus is if you want to actually engage in some resistance/fighting. You don't need chemicals, you can literally make explosives out of anything from chicken$#@! and diesel to straining fertile soil for ammonium nitrate.

    Large rechargeable batteries (car batteries will work). If you are going to make your own electricity to recharge batteries/provide light/power communications you will need something to hold it.

  17. #15
    MY GOD. This is the greatest thread in internet existence!!!

  18. #16
    A lot of you may think I am nuts but I have saved my eye from an infection , a bad earache.
    Poison oak that got infected with a darling little green can called Bag Balm. I would never be without it.



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  20. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    Preparing for the PAW (Post Apocalyptic World)

    Food

    Food storage is also important. When the world goes to hell in a handbasket, you aren't likely to find goodies at your local Wal Mart. Food stores tend to fall into 3 categories -- MRE's, Canned and/or freeze dried long term food stores, and bulk commodity foodstuffs. MRE's can be had military surplus, and will store longer than 10 years if kept under 60 degrees. MRE's can be had less expensively as knock-offs and are nearly as good, but MRE's are damn expensive. One year's supply for one person can run into the $5000 range. Canned long term food stores can be had with shelf lifes from 5 years to 100 years, and tend to be less expensive, one year for one person running around $1000 to $2000. Commodity foodstuffs include rice, wheat flour, dried beans etc, and are the cheapest of the lot, one year for one person coming in at $200 to $500. Your best bet is a combination of the three. Some MRE's for the BOB/BOV and anytime you may be out of the house for an extended period of weeks or months; some canned meats and vegetables, and some commodities.
    The vast majority of Americans have barely enough food on hand to last only a couple days past their next paycheck. Many of those are, in fact, much worse off -- buying their meals a day at a time and having almost nothing on hand in case of emergencies.

    In case of the complete collapse of civilization, the people who have only one day or two weeks of food on hand, will probably not be able to go to the corner store and buy more. If they eat at all, it will be out of garbage cans, from the black market, or begging rations from FEMA, other agencies of the Federal Government, the Red Cross, or the UN.

    Food is survival. As someone else mentioned in this thread, there is a quick and ready list of how long you can survive without certain supplies or materials. The way I have heard it before goes like this:

    A human being can survive --

    Three minutes without air
    Three hours without shelter
    Three days without water
    Three weeks without food

    Three Minutes Without Air

    This sets up your priorities in a hurry. While it's true that we are not on a space station in outer space, nevertheless the three minutes without air is important to remember. If there is a fire spewing noxious gasses, your home fills with tear gas, or anything whatever happens to choke off your oxygen supply, you should always be able to grab your gas mask within 60 seconds. As a former Marine, we had the requirement to be able to get, don, and clear our masks in 7 seconds.

    There is really no excuse to not have a gas mask anymore. Gas masks are NOT terribly expensive. Just scan over gunbroker.com or ebay, go to your local military surplus store, or hit up a gun show. You can get a top of the line military spec gas mask for under $20. Learn how to don and clear, and never have it out of reach within 60 seconds. If you wear glasses, make sure you get a gas mask that can take optical inserts so that you can still see when you are wearing it.

    Three Hours Without Shelter

    It may be that you live in Hawaii, and shelter is not as pressing as if you lived in Maine. Nevertheless, if you have ever watched "Survivorman" or "Man vs Wild" you will note that regardless of the climate the one thing Les or Bear prioritizes in every show is shelter.

    Focus on the areas you may be in, and regularly spin scenarios in your mind about how you will acquire shelter. If you followed the advice above and kept a well stocked Bug Out Bag, then shelter will be readily available. A fallen tree, propped on a branch, cut the limbs, throw the space blanket or poncho over the top and get in a sleeping bag inside.

    If you have minimal supplies, then learn the area where you are, where you might find caves, how to assemble shelter from the local flora. Do you live in the far north? Learn how to build snow caves.

    Watching the two shows mentioned above is in fact a good way to learn the basics of sheltering. But if you never practice it, it will be a lot more difficult to accomplish when you need to. Get a survival manual, watch the shows, gain ideas, and go into your expected bug out areas and practice practice practice.

    Three Days Without Water

    Once you know you can breathe, and you have set up shelter, your next priority is water. In your Bug Out Bag you should have an entrenching tool (shovel) and plastic trash bags. I recommend BLACK plastic trash bags in particular, because they capture solar energy that can be used to make a solar still. With a solar still, you can purify any water source at all. you dig a hole and place a cup in the middle of the hole. Cover the hole with the plastic, pile dirt around the circumference, and place a small stone directly over the cup. Now pour any liquid source you want into the hole under the plastic bag, or even (gasp!) urinate on the dirt surrounding the hole (outside of he plastic). The sin't energy will evaporate the water which will collect on the bag, the droplets will trickle "downhill" to where the stone rests, and then drip off into the cup. Voila! pure water.

    If you have stream water, you can boil the water for 3 minutes to kill any parasites. Be careful, however, and check upstream for animal corpses or industrial pollution before taking the water and boiling it.

    If you are bugging in and have a well, make sure that you have the capability of hand pumping your well in case the power goes out.

    Have a 55 gallon drum to collect rainwater in the open, and under your houses gutters to collect more. Understand, however, that gutter water will require more filtering/purification than rainwater collected in the open. ALL sources of PAW water (with the possible exception of hand-pumped well water) will require filtering and purification.

    The kind folks helping to contribute to this thread (thank you so much! seriously!) have offered great ideas for water filtration. A Berkey water filter, I have heard, is one of the best. Filters, of course, eventually lose effectiveness or become clogged. You can potentially backwash filters at the end of their life to eek out a few more gallons, but for high end filtration you will either need a lot of filters on hand, or come up with a more permanent solution.

    I heartily recommend the filtration solutions mentioned above, as well as the iodine tablets and so on. However, if you are looking at long long term PAW survival, nothing can beat a fire powered water distiller. You can clean it out, and re-use it until the metal rots away. A decent water distiller (homemade, mind you) can last for 100 years if kept maintained.

    A good stop-gap solution to take you from the apocalyptic event until you are able to retrieve water from your water sources may be found in keeping 2 or 3 55 gallon drums full of potable water in storage. Or, you can store several cases of gallon water jugs, or 5 gallon water bottles.

    Three Weeks Without Food

    I will go ahead and post this so far, and give 'food' a post of its own next, as foodstuffs, food storage, hunting and so on will certainly be a very detailed and very very long post -- it deserves a post of it's own.
    http://glenbradley.net/share/aleksan...nitsyn_4-t.gif “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

  21. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by Meatwasp View Post
    A lot of you may think I am nuts but I have saved my eye from an infection , a bad earache.
    Poison oak that got infected with a darling little green can called Bag Balm. I would never be without it.
    That is probably the one 'deep country down home remedy' with the most verifiable anecdotal evidence supporting it that I have ever encountered, actually. Some folks in the rural south will use bag balm for EVERY-THING you can imagine, and swear by it. Most of the anecdotal evidence I have seen backs up their faith in the stuff. Considering what it IS, I think the name is a little oo-key, but that won't stop me from using good stuff. Good call.
    http://glenbradley.net/share/aleksan...nitsyn_4-t.gif “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

  22. #19
    Another niffty trick for poison oak. When the first sign and I do I mean the first sign of it take two teaspoons of cream of tarter in a glass of water. An old miner told me that and it worked like a charm.

  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    You can always try these guys:

    http://www.nyp-corp.com/sandbags.htm...FQIbgQodihhexw

    or here is even better:

    http://www.safetycentral.com/floodprotsan.html


    But the BEST source, seriously, is right here:

    http://www.unitedbags.com/pc-160-6-p...-1000bale.aspx

    Those are the same bags purchased under DOD contract. Only problem is, of course, from United Bags you have to buy in lots of 1000. 1000 DOD spec bags from united bags will run $380. Yes, $380 is a lot to pay for sandbags, but it's a lot less than the $1.10 per bag price you get for lots of 100.

    If you want to get just stupid about the quantities these guys will get you an even better price per bag in lots of 2400 (but you have to specifically request a quote):

    http://daybag.com/industrial/military.html
    Having fought off midwest floods, I can tell you that a thousand sandbags isnt all that much.

  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalifornia View Post
    Having fought off midwest floods, I can tell you that a thousand sandbags isnt all that much.
    That's true, and honestly I would probably want about 2500 on hand for fortifying a home. However, remember that fortifying a bug in location with cover takes a lot fewer sandbags than holding off a flood.
    http://glenbradley.net/share/aleksan...nitsyn_4-t.gif “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

  25. #22

    The Swiss Army Knife of First Aid

    This stuff I really nice to have when you need something that will kill microbes.
    I've been using this stuff for around 10 years and find it very good at what it does.
    This stuff could save your life. I currently keep at least one 4oz. bottle in my BOB.



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    Amount of Water Filtered Water Water with Ice Tap Water Untreated Water
    One glass* 1-3 drops 2-4 drops 3-5 drops 5-10 drops
    One pint* 2-5 drops 4-8 drops 5-10 drops 10-15 drops
    One quart† 5-10 drops 10-15 drops 10-20 drops 15-25 drops
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  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    That's true, and honestly I would probably want about 2500 on hand for fortifying a home. However, remember that fortifying a bug in location with cover takes a lot fewer sandbags than holding off a flood.
    Im actually amazed at how little sand will stop a high velocity projectile. Handgun rounds actually penetrate better than any rifle round tested. (although Im sure .50 bmg would be a different story).

    http://http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot7.htm

  27. #24
    Glad to see a survival thread in place.

    It does have something to do with bearing arms. Preparedness and self-reliance is a part of resistance to tyranny. Food and money are weapons and far worse than bombs or guns.

    They can try to shoot us all or use guns to make us submit, but hunger is so much easier for the enemy.


    But...

    Do not confuse survivalism with resistance. Survivalists only stay in place long enough for whatever monster in the PAW (like a new Hitler or Stalin) to make a project of. Real results come from the militia that does not intend to run off and hide until some "tactical team" finds them and teaches a short lesson in how any position becomes indefensable over time.

    Stay alive, but don't stay out. Liberty needs able men who will fight for it.
    If this should be, our final stand,
    we will stand together with pride
    We will honour the past, and fight to the last,
    it will be a good way to die
    It matters not, if the cause is lost,
    and we can not stop the tide
    We will fight to the end, and then fight again,
    it will be a good way to die



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  29. #25
    Don't forget your iPod and solar charger. God forbid you go a night without watching "Lazy Scranton".

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor_Jeep View Post
    Glad to see a survival thread in place.

    It does have something to do with bearing arms. Preparedness and self-reliance is a part of resistance to tyranny. Food and money are weapons and far worse than bombs or guns.

    They can try to shoot us all or use guns to make us submit, but hunger is so much easier for the enemy.


    But...

    Do not confuse survivalism with resistance. Survivalists only stay in place long enough for whatever monster in the PAW (like a new Hitler or Stalin) to make a project of. Real results come from the militia that does not intend to run off and hide until some "tactical team" finds them and teaches a short lesson in how any position becomes indefensable over time.

    Stay alive, but don't stay out. Liberty needs able men who will fight for it.
    http://ncmilitia.org/
    http://www.ncmilitia.org/phpBB2/index.php
    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=131135

    I'll be at Dixie Gun and Knife on Saturday May 3rd wearing a MARPAT boonie and URBAN MARPAT utilities until 1300 when I will be relocating to Cup a Joes on Hillsborough St.
    http://glenbradley.net/share/aleksan...nitsyn_4-t.gif “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

  31. #27
    Another good thread Gunny. See ya later on Zombie.

  32. #28
    Gunny,
    There's a rumor that there may be some problems in the Pacific NW the first week of May. In an emergency I've got preps but am worried about very intelligent and well trained people storming my house for food and such...
    If you could point me to one good tactical resource on defending a house what would it be? BTW, thanks for the advice thus far.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by tekrunner View Post
    Gunny,
    There's a rumor that there may be some problems in the Pacific NW the first week of May. In an emergency I've got preps but am worried about very intelligent and well trained people storming my house for food and such...
    If you could point me to one good tactical resource on defending a house what would it be? BTW, thanks for the advice thus far.
    Well, first and foremost, who all knows you have food? If nobody knows you have food, then you are in a lot less danger than if everybody knows you have food.

    Secondly, if people are coming to get supplies, then they are a lot less likely to storm your house if it's perceived as a hard target. Simple things, like exterior lights that point out without illuminating the house itself will help to create that impression. Also, some kind of early warning system helps to create an impression of a hard target.

    My early warning system is a chain link fence that completely surrounds the house and contains a dog.

    However, you can also (if you have gobs of money) come up with solar powered break-beam lasers to detect movement -- just be prepared for a lot of false alarms being outdoors. If you have the money to do this, then you can also set up an automation trigger for lighting. Trip the beam and the outdoor lights come on, followed by a couple interior lights in strategic locations. Even if you never wake up, an attacker will probably look for easier pickings at that point.

    One thing I used to do as a kid a lot was to take a bag of M-80's, a bunch of model rocket igniters, a bunch of 9v batteries, clothespins, some aluminum foil, some wire, some cardboard, fishing line, and 90mph tape and make trip wires. Nothing that would harm anybody, but something that would simply set off an M-80 whenever the tripwire was pulled out of the clothespin.

    An easier solution is to take all your leftover cans from canned foods, wash them out, paint them to match your surroundings, and hang them from trees on line (or on fences) so that they make a racket whenever a line is stepped on or kicked, or a fence is being climbed.

    If your early warning system goes off and you look outside to see 2-3 shadowy figures on approach, a simple warning shot will almost certainly send them looking for easier pickings. If they continue coming after that, then they are specifically targeting YOU and they probably want something a little more involved than food stores.

    You have to put yourself in their shoes. If you think a random house may have food, and you are wiling to break in and take it, then you will be looking for "the lowest hanging fruit" instead of the one that's neigh on impossible to get. And then, by the time YOU become the 'lowest hanging fruit,' hopefully you will have gotten plenty of warning from your neighbors that the bad guys are in the area.

    At that point, then, you can start horse-trading. ESPECIALLY if you have enough food stored up. Go up to a fairly competent (but hungry) neighbor and say, "I'll give you a pound of rice a week and a can of meat a month if you help me keep watch." (but only if you can trust him enough to not gather 15 people and storm your house himself!)

    Honestly, I could go on for days here. But back to the original question -- where to get tactical training. That's actually a tough one. Your best bet will be to network with others of a like mind and just 'come up together' with training. Go to a gun show, the flea market, and army surplus stores and get Army and Marine Corps field manuals, and learn as much book knowledge as you can absorb, and then get with fellow survivalists and practice. Join an airsoft league (preferably) or if not a paintball league. Airsoft tends to be more 'tactical' and paintball tends to be more 'sport.'

    You can hook up with like-minded folk at:

    http://www.shtfmilitia.com/index.php
    and
    http://zombiehunters.org/forum/index.php

    to start with.

    I'll get more into weapons training in the "weapons" installment of this thread, following the food storage post that I'll be posting in the next 24 hours.
    http://glenbradley.net/share/aleksan...nitsyn_4-t.gif “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    One thing I used to do as a kid a lot was to take a bag of M-80's, a bunch of model rocket igniters, a bunch of 9v batteries, clothespins, some aluminum foil, some wire, some cardboard, fishing line, and 90mph tape and make trip wires. Nothing that would harm anybody, but something that would simply set off an M-80 whenever the tripwire was pulled out of the clothespin.
    Ahhh.... You're one-of-a-kind Gunny. Thanks for the post, it's always good to know how to be best prepared (and be prepared...).

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