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Thread: Once and for all, are Freemasons good or evil?

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    Once and for all, are Freemasons good or evil?

    I've heard conspiracies about how Freemasons are really Illuminati. I've heard people say Freemasons are people trying to promote liberty like our Founders did. Should I be afraid of the Lodges I see on the side of the highway or should I not?




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    If you are horrified by the thought of children receiving free medical care for life-threatening conditions, then yes be afraid, be very afraid. And if the very idea of drunk old men wearing funny-looking hats throwing water balloons in hotel lobbies haunts your every waking moment, then you do indeed have good reason to fear the Freemasons.

    Other than that, naaah.
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    A fart is change. Our founding fathers did a lot more than just fart.

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    Skeptical, yes. Afraid? I don't think so.
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    'These things I command you, that you love one another.' - Jesus Christ

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    Quote Originally Posted by asgardshill View Post
    If you are horrified by the thought of children receiving free medical care for life-threatening conditions, then yes be afraid, be very afraid. And if the very idea of drunk old men wearing funny-looking hats throwing water balloons in hotel lobbies haunts your every waking moment, then you do indeed have good reason to fear the Freemasons.

    Other than that, naaah.
    Bump

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    In the book "Rule by Secrecy", Jim Marrs proclaims that only the inner most circle of these secret societies knows the true purpose behind these such societies.

    After all, what EXACTLY is the purpose of a secret society in the first place? If they want to be a charity, then be a charity, no?

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    They want to fill a deep inner gnostic desire to be part of an
    'exclusive' something that they perceive is way bigger than what they will actually probably ever know.

    Sounds like a religion!
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    'These things I command you, that you love one another.' - Jesus Christ

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2wI5...eature=related

    Watch all 13 parts, pretty interesting stuff about the freemasons.

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    There is a good read on the subject here,
    http://www.freedomforceinternational...refpage=issues
    WHAT CAN BE DONE?
    To those who are quick to vilify anyone who does not agree with this appraisal, I would like to make an alternative appeal. Instead of focusing on document authenticity and the racial or ethnic identity of those in power, let us look at the practicality of what can be done to defend our freedom. Even if the world were in the grip of the Elders or the Masons or the Jesuits, what would be our course of action? Would it be a new wave of genocide, a return to the firing squads and gas ovens? Hasn't mankind seen enough of that kind of insanity?

    There are many powerful groups in the world today dedicated to collectivism for the simple reason that collectivism allows them to exploit mankind, or a significant segment of it, for their own aggrandizement. It is hard to say which one of them is the greatest threat. In the final analysis, it makes little difference. If we oppose the groups themselves, we are less likely to succeed than if we oppose collectivism, the system they all need to flourish. We will not have to pull the weeds if we deny them water.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom



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    Once and for all? Yes! A "good" public shell masks, covers and fronts for an "evil" even more secret core.<IMHO>

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    I guess it depends on if you believe in Original Sin or not.
    My review of the For Liberty documentary:
    digg.com/d315eji
    (please Digg and post comments on the HuffPost site)

    "This political train-wreck Republicans face can largely be traced to Bush’s philosophical metamorphosis from a traditional, non-interventionist conservative to the neoconservatives’ exemplar of a 'War President', and his positioning of the Republicans as the 'War Party'."

    Nicholas Sanchez on Bush's legacy, September 30, 2007.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Warrior View Post
    Once and for all? Yes! A "good" public shell masks, covers and fronts for an "evil" even more secret core.<IMHO>
    +1

    My grandpa was a Mason. I highly doubt he was part of an evil agenda.

    But are there those at the very top that used the organization for their purposes? Absolutely possible. Most Democrats and Republicans aren't part of an evil conspiracy, only a select few know of and participate in a hidden agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruno1969 View Post
    +1

    My grandpa was a Mason. I highly doubt he was part of an evil agenda.

    But are there those at the very top that used the organization for their purposes? Absolutely possible. Most Democrats and Republicans aren't part of an evil conspiracy, only a select few know of and participate in a hidden agenda.
    Same for my 92 year old long-time retired 32nd degree Freemason father-in-law plus all of my Freemason friends and acquaintances.

    The Dems and Reps, by and large, are just the unwitting lackeys in implementing the agenda step by step.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCA View Post
    I've heard conspiracies about how Freemasons are really Illuminati. I've heard people say Freemasons are people trying to promote liberty like our Founders did. Should I be afraid of the Lodges I see on the side of the highway or should I not?

    You've got the entire internet at your fingertips. Hopefully, your research goes a little further than seeking opinions on a troll-filled message board.

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    Does the Masonic used term "hoodwink" have any meaning for you?
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hoodwink


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    Yes, they're evil and they eat puppies. I should know, my dad was one and he ate my puppy.

    It's crazy, I hear that Masons are racists and anti-semites, evil, worship Satan, etc. so why was the founder of the NAACP (W.E.B. DuBois) a Mason? Andrew Jackson, George Washington and others were also Masons. Why are some Jews Masons? Why do they take care of sick kids for free?

    Accch.
    Those who want liberty must organize as effectively as those who want tyranny. -- Iyad el Baghdadi



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    They want to manipulate the government in secrecy.that is not a good thing.

    Why mess up 200 yrs of success for their own agenda unless it is a power play
    And they are "self-appointed" to guide this world into the future in the name of God.
    I see no good in this way of doing things.If they had honorable intentions, there would be no need for secrets.
    Last edited by hillbilly123069; 04-20-2008 at 09:53 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amy31416 View Post
    Yes, they're evil and they eat puppies. I should know, my dad was one and he ate my puppy.

    It's crazy, I hear that Masons are racists and anti-semites, evil, worship Satan, etc. so why was the founder of the NAACP (W.E.B. DuBois) a Mason? Andrew Jackson, George Washington and others were also Masons. Why are some Jews Masons? Why do they take care of sick kids for free?

    Accch.
    Research and homework time!

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    Think of Freemasonry the way you think of the Republican and Democratic parties. The average members are mostly good people.

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    The Illuminati--who the hell knows? The average Mason or Shriner--some are nicer than others, certainly.

    Think I'll save my vitriol for the CFR, the Bilderbergers or whatever is left of the Tri-Lateral Commission, and Skull and Bones.
    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Define Terrorist please.

    According to, well, pretty much both political parties, the other party is now guilty of Terrorism.
    Listening to the mainstream media is like standing under a power line when the birds are migrating.

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    I think some masons are good, some are bad.
    http://www.ronpaul2012.com/
    Quote Originally Posted by GK Chesterton
    It is often supposed that when people stop believing in God, they believe in nothing. Alas, it is worse than that. When they stop believing in God, they believe in anything.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rt. Hon. Edmund Burke
    Nothing is so fatal to religion as indifference.

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    "I think some masons are good, some are bad."

    after researching a little all the way back to the roscrucians. ditto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillbilly123069 View Post
    Why mess up 200 yrs of success for their own agenda unless it is a power play
    And they are "self-appointed" to guide this world into the future in the name of God.
    I see no good in this way of doing things.If they had honorable intentions, there would be no need for secrets.
    I read a book called Solomons Power Brokers.

    Based on what I read
    It seems although keep in mind its only my interpretation

    That the Freemasons were eventually an off shoot of the Knights Templar. who were off shoots of whats known as "The Star Familes" Based in Israel

    The goal has been since before Christ, as stated by "Hillbilly", to unite the world under one god (Yahweh)

    I think somewhere along the line, the goal was perverted into this NWO agenda and god has been taken out of the picture.

    Anyway it was a pretty interesting book, and I recommend it for those who have an interest in this topic.
    "Poverty of the state exchequer causes an army to be maintained by contributions from a distance. Contributing to maintain an army at a distance causes the people to be impoverished."
    Sun Tzu

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    A picture is worth a thousand words?

    A Muslim's pilgrimage to Mecca includes "the stoning of Satan."

    Interesting to note what they see to be the symbol of Satan. This was changed recently and is now a "wall." To make it safer for the participants, of course.

    "Masterful and arrogant wealth, created largely by Government protection of its profits, not content with its domination and influence within a single party, had sought to corrupt them both, and to that end had insinuated itself into the primaries, in order that no candidates might be nominated whose views were not in accord with theirs." (‘Colonel’ Edward Mandell House in 'Philip Dru: Administrator', circa 1912)



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    It depends on how far up the food chain the individual resides. My father is a Shriner, a 32nd degree mason (and proud of it), and he has NO clue what goes on above his level! If he knew, he would have no part of it.
    When all else fails,
    there's always
    www.escapeartist.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirknb@hotmail.com View Post
    Here is an interesting lecture on Freemasonry

    Matrix of Power - http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...A4mSrwLtzYCoBA
    I did enjoy that--thank you!
    "Masterful and arrogant wealth, created largely by Government protection of its profits, not content with its domination and influence within a single party, had sought to corrupt them both, and to that end had insinuated itself into the primaries, in order that no candidates might be nominated whose views were not in accord with theirs." (‘Colonel’ Edward Mandell House in 'Philip Dru: Administrator', circa 1912)

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    Lightbulb The ARK of the COVENANT De-Coded

    Ark of the Covenant De-Coded by Prince Arthur, on Flickr

    The ARCH is a word and a structure that features prominently over the millennia……

    ARCHES are used extensively in building powerful word constructs and social control structures as well as being used extensively in ARCHitecture and civil engineering.

    These power structures are always hierARCHical, often with a single entity at the top known as a monARCH.

    The MASONIC control structure has certainly adopted this ARCHitecture and even pretends to be borne out of the stone mason fraternities.

    In Gnosticism, ARCHons are the builders of the physical universe. Among the ARCHontics, Ophites, Sethians and in the writings of Nag Hammadi library, the ARCHons are rulers, each related to one of seven planets; they prevent souls from leaving the material realm.

    The ARCHers – a long running program through history – not just the BBC….

    'SOVEREIGN' - literally means to reign from above.
    This is why the MonARCH of a country is referred to as 'Your HIGHNESS'
    Then we have
    MatriARCHs - a system of society or government ruled by a woman or women
    PatriARCHs - a system of society or government in which the father or eldest male is head of the family and descent is reckoned through the male line.
    OligARCHs - government by the few, especially despotic power exercised by a small and privileged group for corrupt or selfish purposes.
    In these long-running and ARCHaic societal control structures we also have:
    ARCH dukes and ARCH duchesses
    ARCH bishops
    ARCH deacons
    ARCH druids
    ARCHangels
    ARCHitects
    SquireARCHies - landowners collectively, especially when considered as a class having political or social influence
    mARCHioness - a noblewoman with the rank of marquess, or the wife of a marquess.
    mARCHer lords - A Marcher Lord was a noble appointed by the King of England to guard the border between England and Wales. A Marcher Lord was the English equivalent of a margrave or a marquis before the introduction of the title of "marquess" in Britain
    ARCHimandrite - the superior of a large monastery or group of monasteries in the Orthodox Church
    ARCHaeology or archeology is the study of human activity through the recovery and analysis of material culture. Archaeology is often considered a branch of socio-cultural anthropology, but archaeologists also draw from biological, geological, and environmental systems through their study of the past

    TrierARCH - the title of officers who commanded a trireme in the classical Greek world. In Classical Athens, the title was associated with the trierarchy, one of the public offices or liturgies, which were filled by wealthy citizens for a year

    HagiARCHy - government by saints, holy men, or men in holy orders

    AutARCHic - having and exercising complete political power and control: absolute, absolutistic, arbitrary, autarchical, autocratic, autocratical, despotic, dictatorial, monocratic, totalitarian, tyrannic, tyrannical, tyrannous
    HeptARCHy - a collective name applied to the seven kingdoms of Anglo-Saxon England from the Anglo-Saxon settlement of Britain in the 5th century until the 8th century consolidation into the four kingdoms of Mercia, Northumbria, Wessex and East Anglia.
    TetrARCHy - term adopted to describe the system of government of the ancient Roman Empire instituted by Roman Emperor Diocletian in 293, marking the end of the Crisis of the Third Century and the recovery of the Roman Empire
    TheARCHy - rule by a god or gods
    GynARCHy - rule by women or a woman.
    ExARCHate - a Byzantine province governed by an exARCH

    All this history was documented by ARCHivists – with old records being kept on pARCHment

    At school we are not taught the true meaning of the ARCHway….
    By passing through the ARCHway we may be unaware that we are entering into an agreement or contract where we are to be ruled over.
    The ‘CONTRACT of the ARCH’ perhaps……

    ARCANUM and ARCANA - mysterious or specialized knowledge, language, or information accessible or possessed only by the initiate.

    ARCHES in Modern Culture….
    The ARCHERS - a British BBC radio soap opera broadcast since 1951. Having aired over 19,300 episodes, it is the world's longest-running drama.
    The ARCHERS is set in the fictional village of AmBRIDGE
    ARCHing over us - the first ever flighted birds….
    ARCHaeopteryx – a genus of bird-like feathered dinosaurs.

    More famous ARCHes…
    ARCHimedes (c.287 – c.212 BC)
    Considered to be the greatest mathematician of ancient history, and one of the greatest of all time.
    The Fields Medal for outstanding achievement in mathematics carries a portrait of ARCHimedes, along with a carving illustrating his proof on the sphere and the cylinder.
    The inscription around the head of ARCHimedes is a quote attributed to him which reads in Latin: Transire suum pectus mundoque potiri.
    'RISE ABOVE ONESELF AND GRASP THE WORLD’.
    ARCHimedes, Freemasonry and the Moderns Grand Lodge Constitutions
    Frontispiece to the 1723 Edition:
    The 1723 edition is well-known for its elaborate frontispiece engraved by John Pine in 1723. It features a classical arcade of John Montagu, the Second Duke of Montagu (Knight of the Garter #532), and the Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of England (1721-1723), passing the scroll of the "Constitutions" to his 1723 successor, Philip Warton, First Duke of Wharton. Both are attended by their officers. Apollo, god of the sun, charges above in his chariot, symbolizing the meridian height. Behind the gathering is a passageway framed by walls of water - evocative of the parting of the Red Sea.
    The 47th proposition of Euclid, the traditional symbol of a past masters of a Masonic lodge, appears in the foreground. Below it, in Greek, is ARCHhimedes' famous exclamation: “Eureka!” (“I have found it!”)
    eureka (English) - εύρηκα (Greek)
    For more hidden knowledge see
    https://pubastrology.com

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