The Importance of Tact

cmlazar · 11-07-2007, 07:57 PM

Fellow Ron Paul supporters:

I've been a Ron Paul supporter for several months now, finally started lurking here around the November 5th Money Bomb, and have finally found reason to register and post here.

I understand that there has been concern over the last few days about forum censorship, inappropriate behaviour on the forums, etc. These concerns are not to be taken lightly. Now that Dr. Paul has more attention from the MSM, we have to take extra precaution to ensure that we are being as tactful as humanly possible. We cannot afford to give the MSM or any of Dr. Paul's opponents ammo. This means taking the extra steps to avoid controversy in everything we do.

Yes, the 5th of November Money Bomb was a huge success, and I understand the controversy was relatively small. I also know this has been debated to death, but the fact is this: the less controversy the MSM has to talk about, the more time they have to talk about Dr. Paul's merits and how many millions his campaign has made in donations.

This is why the December 18th money bomb proposed by a few forum members is absolutely not a good idea. While there is no arguing that the passing of the 13th amendment and the abolishment of slavery is a wonderful and just thing, a money bomb on this date can be easily misconstrued--it would be incredibly unfortunate if people got the idea that we view Dr. Paul's proposal to abolish the income tax to be equal to the abolishment of slavery. We cannot let details like this go unnoticed in our planning; they will destroy us.

I'm sure these points have all been mentioned before, but an image I found on www.ronpaulmoneybomb.com has prompted this post:

http://www.ronpaulmoneybomb.com/images/terror.jpg

If you look closely, you can make out several elements of the image that make the use of this image a very bad idea. The words "Ku Klux," the Klan hood, black people in a birdcage, a noose, questionable use of the star of David, etc. Even if those elements were somehow photoshopped out, the fact that they exist in the original is reason enough to avoid using this image. The use of this image can be misconstrued to say that Ron Paul supporters are a bunch of white supremacists. These kinds of mistakes are unacceptable and will be our undoing.

Basically, be smart. Assume that your grandmother is reading these forums. Assume the FEC is reading these forums. Assume the other GOP candidates are reading these forums.

Sorry that was a long rant.

constituent · 11-07-2007, 08:03 PM

i thought it said that's what we were fighting against...

i liked it.

someone put many hours of work into that i'm sure..... you should try to display a little tact every now and then yourself.

richard1984 · 11-07-2007, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by constituent

i thought it said that's what we were fighting against...

i liked it.

someone put many hours of work into that i'm sure..... you should try to display a little tact every now and then yourself.

But what about the Native American and the lady holding the USA flag on the thing's shoulders? That's not what we're fighting against!
That's why I just don't get it.

Maybe if it were a little bigger and I could read it....

Duckman · 11-07-2007, 08:23 PM

This image was used by the Nazis as war propaganda AGAINST the United States. That figure is supposed to be the image of what the United States represented, from the German perspective, during World War II.

I don't think it is appropriate to use this image with the Ron Paul campaign. Its origins were in Nazi war propaganda.

FreedomLover · 11-07-2007, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duckman

This image was used by the Nazis as war propaganda AGAINST the United States. That figure is supposed to be the image of what the United States represented, from the German perspective, during World War II.

I don't think it is appropriate to use this image with the Ron Paul campaign. Its origins were in Nazi war propaganda.

Yeah, 1st the Guy Fawkes connection and now this crap.

Honestly, why not just stick with a normal day like veteran's day ?

klamath · 11-07-2007, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richard1984

But what about the Native American and the lady holding the USA flag on the thing's shoulders? That's not what we're fighting against!
That's why I just don't get it.

Maybe if it were a little bigger and I could read it....

If they don't get rid of this image I will withdraw all donations for the money bombs.

richard1984 · 11-07-2007, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klamath

If they don't get rid of this image I will withdraw all donations for the money bombs.

Don't blame the campaign for the picture, though!!!

Disassociate yourself with the website, but please still donate the money!

TooConservative · 11-09-2007, 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klamath

If they don't get rid of this image I will withdraw all donations for the money bombs.

That looks like a KKK hood on the figure. And most people will think that's a Star of David on the banner hanging from the drum between its legs.

Ugh.

We should boycott any site that uses graphics like these.

Dr. Paul's campaign should not be associated with such imagery.

austin356 · 11-07-2007, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richard1984

Why are you posting Nazi war propaganda on there?

NinjaPirate · 11-08-2007, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richard1984

But what about the Native American and the lady holding the USA flag on the thing's shoulders? That's not what we're fighting against!
That's why I just don't get it.

Maybe if it were a little bigger and I could read it....

The image didn't leave a good impresion on me at first glance. But after looking at it from a different perspective, it may represent how the rest of the World may SEE Americans.

Either way it didn't give me any warm fuzzies.

11-07-2007, 07:57 PM	#1
cmlazar Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 8	The Importance of Tact Fellow Ron Paul supporters: I've been a Ron Paul supporter for several months now, finally started lurking here around the November 5th Money Bomb, and have finally found reason to register and post here. I understand that there has been concern over the last few days about forum censorship, inappropriate behaviour on the forums, etc. These concerns are not to be taken lightly. Now that Dr. Paul has more attention from the MSM, we have to take extra precaution to ensure that we are being as tactful as humanly possible. We cannot afford to give the MSM or any of Dr. Paul's opponents ammo. This means taking the extra steps to avoid controversy in everything we do. Yes, the 5th of November Money Bomb was a huge success, and I understand the controversy was relatively small. I also know this has been debated to death, but the fact is this: the less controversy the MSM has to talk about, the more time they have to talk about Dr. Paul's merits and how many millions his campaign has made in donations. This is why the December 18th money bomb proposed by a few forum members is absolutely not a good idea. While there is no arguing that the passing of the 13th amendment and the abolishment of slavery is a wonderful and just thing, a money bomb on this date can be easily misconstrued--it would be incredibly unfortunate if people got the idea that we view Dr. Paul's proposal to abolish the income tax to be equal to the abolishment of slavery. We cannot let details like this go unnoticed in our planning; they will destroy us. I'm sure these points have all been mentioned before, but an image I found on www.ronpaulmoneybomb.com has prompted this post: http://www.ronpaulmoneybomb.com/images/terror.jpg If you look closely, you can make out several elements of the image that make the use of this image a very bad idea. The words "Ku Klux," the Klan hood, black people in a birdcage, a noose, questionable use of the star of David, etc. Even if those elements were somehow photoshopped out, the fact that they exist in the original is reason enough to avoid using this image. The use of this image can be misconstrued to say that Ron Paul supporters are a bunch of white supremacists. These kinds of mistakes are unacceptable and will be our undoing. Basically, be smart. Assume that your grandmother is reading these forums. Assume the FEC is reading these forums. Assume the other GOP candidates are reading these forums. Sorry that was a long rant.

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11-07-2007, 08:03 PM	#2
constituent Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Now Hear Posts: 13,762	i thought it said that's what we were fighting against... i liked it. someone put many hours of work into that i'm sure..... you should try to display a little tact every now and then yourself.

11-07-2007, 08:23 PM	#4
Duckman Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 732	This image was used by the Nazis as war propaganda AGAINST the United States. That figure is supposed to be the image of what the United States represented, from the German perspective, during World War II. I don't think it is appropriate to use this image with the Ron Paul campaign. Its origins were in Nazi war propaganda.