Another note about the 4th of July money bomb

[Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice]

My issue with the project isn't profiteering, but what seems like deceptive marketing and taking advantage of prior trust with fine print at the bottom of the page. All other money bombs were done pro-bono, why would we think otherwise now?

If you said all this upfront, no one would care.

But you tried to hide it, or at least weren't upfront about it, and now have to deal with the consequences.

[SwordOfShannarah]

Originally Posted by Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice

My issue with the project isn't profiteering, but what seems like deceptive marketing and taking advantage of prior trust with fine print at the bottom of the page. All other money bombs were done pro-bono, why would we think otherwise now?

If you said all this upfront, no one would care.

But you tried to hide it, or at least weren't upfront about it, and now have to deal with the consequences.

Hi Paul Bearer,

I don't think we have been deceptive in our marketing. The disclosure notice at the bottom of the page is exactly where it should be and it is in normal sized print. We're not and never have been hiding anything. If we wanted to deceive we wouldn't have put up a disclosure notice at all.

The consequences should (and I think will) be that people get behind these candidates and join us at http://FreedomSlate08.com.

[Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice]

Originally Posted by SwordOfShannarah

Hi Paul Bearer,

I don't think we have been deceptive in our marketing. The disclosure notice at the bottom of the page is exactly where it should be and it is in normal sized print. We're not and never have been hiding anything. If we wanted to deceive we wouldn't have put up a disclosure notice at all.

The consequences should (and I think will) be that people get behind these candidates and join us at http://FreedomSlate08.com.

Nice PR spin... don't try and turn it around on me like I'm not being supportive of the candidates; all of the Paul endorsed candidates have received hundos from me.

Also, I believe the disclosure notice is for liability/fraud purposes, not a gift from your heart... so stop the B.S.

Anyway, I have nothing against BTM or what you're doing, just how you are doing it.
If you are going to run your business placing disclosures "where they should be," like every other business, well... I would hope you're better than that.

If you didn't have anything to hide you'd have put in the statement how much of a cut you're getting and let us decide if it's fair or not.

[SwordOfShannarah]

Originally Posted by Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice

Nice PR spin... don't try and turn it around on me like I'm not being supportive of the candidates; all of the Paul endorsed candidates have received hundos from me.

I never said you aren't supportive of the candidates and I wasn't trying to turn anything around on you. That's awesome that you gave money to them.

Originally Posted by Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice

Also, I believe the disclosure notice is for liability/fraud purposes, not a gift from your heart... so stop the B.S.

I never said it was a gift from the heart or tried to B.S. you. Sorry you feel that way.

Originally Posted by Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice

Anyway, I have nothing against BTM or what you're doing, just how you are doing it.

You're welcome to your opinion about how we do things. My opinion is that we're doing things very well.

Originally Posted by Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice

If you are going to run your business placing disclosures "where they should be," like every other business, well... I would hope you're better than that.

This movement supports the free market as a solution to our problems. Being a business is a great thing. To act as if business is bad or wrong is miss the point of what this movement is all about.

Originally Posted by Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice

If you didn't have anything to hide you'd have put in the statement how much of a cut you're getting and let us decide if it's fair or not.

We're not hiding anything, but as a business it is not our place to disclose what we charge our clients. If the customer wants to tell you they can (and they have), but it's not our place to do it.

[Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice]

Originally Posted by SwordOfShannarah

This movement supports the free market as a solution to our problems. Being a business is a great thing. To act as if business is bad or wrong is miss the point of what this movement is all about.

Behind all the buzzwords this movement is about integrity and responsibility, without which there are no truly free markets, just deception and a greater fools game.
If a business is deception based, it IS bad and good luck spinning it under the "free market" umbrella.

I would like to see this movement become a multi-billion dollar bulwark business network with tremendous influence. Even if I'm wrong about you, I felt compelled to speak my peace. And now I'm done.

[schooldayze]

Originally Posted by SwordOfShannarah

Hi Paul Bearer,

I don't think we have been deceptive in our marketing. The disclosure notice at the bottom of the page is exactly where it should be and it is in normal sized print. We're not and never have been hiding anything. If we wanted to deceive we wouldn't have put up a disclosure notice at all.

The consequences should (and I think will) be that people get behind these candidates and join us at http://FreedomSlate08.com.

Actually, if you do not put up disclosure you would be violating the law. FEC tends to throw people in jail for that :-) Just a point of clarification.

[SwordOfShannarah]

Originally Posted by schooldayze

Actually, if you do not put up disclosure you would be violating the law. FEC tends to throw people in jail for that :-) Just a point of clarification.

Exactly right and as I stated in the initial post we're paying attention to what the law requires... we have to!

[schooldayze]

Ok Trevor, since you are clearing things up. I want to "pull a major thorn from my paw" when it comes to the greater movement we are involved in... and for that matter the Ron Paul movement which continues even after he has "ended his campaign."

Let me say for the record. I want to believe your intentions are good. I want to believe that you're only interested in enough to pay the bills so you don't have to work for the man, and spend 100% of your time working for freedom for myself, my children and for the rest of the people in this country. Unfortunately we need money to be able to eat... and if we don't make a profit somewhere then in my case I'm out swinging a hammer, and not working for the freedom movement.

That being said... let's hash it out.

I took serious issue to the fact that you only asked for $10 each on the MLK day bomb and then shortly after Rick Williams pronounced the Ron Paul campaign dead. (This was back in February). A major coincidence or were you already planning something? Asking for $10 when you could have asked for $100 just seemed like you were more interested in email addresses than bringing money into the Ron Paul campaign. If you can convince me sir I guarantee you I am one of your biggest critics... however I am here with an open mind prepared to hear you out if you choose to be heard on the matter.

Ball is in your court.

[LittleFrog]

PB of inJustice, I'm trying not to be offended that you think we common folk lack the wherewithal to scroll through a fairly simple one page site and comprehend all of the information presented throughout... including the ALL CAPS disclosure notice at the bottom.

If it's posted right there on the front page, they obviously aren't trying to hide anything. If they were trying to hide it, I hope they'd be clever enough to come up with something trickier than posting it right there in plain sight, in big white capital letters on a black background. LOL.

[SwordOfShannarah]

Originally Posted by schooldayze

I took serious issue to the fact that you only asked for $10 each on the MLK day bomb and then shortly after Rick Williams pronounced the Ron Paul campaign dead. (This was back in February). A major coincidence or were you already planning something? Asking for $10 when you could have asked for $100 just seemed like you were more interested in email addresses than bringing money into the Ron Paul campaign. If you can convince me sir I guarantee you I am one of your biggest critics... however I am here with an open mind prepared to hear you out if you choose to be heard on the matter.

Ball is in your court.

In my eyes the greatest value we received for raising $4.3 million dollars for Ron Paul was in the publicity we received, not the fact that the campaign had the money. I think most would agree with me and this is due to the fact that we received what I would estimate to be well over $10 million in publicity for the event.

On November 5th we had about 36,000 donors pull together to raise $4.3 million dollars. Then on December 16th we beat our record by bringing about 67,000 donors together to raise over $6 million dollars. But, to our dismay we barely got any publicity for the second money bomb event. At that point I thought it would be good strategy to try to show our numbers. If you'll remember we were fighting the "he can't win syndrome" that was raining down in full force on our efforts. Raising a large amount of money was great, but it hadn't been enough to convince a person on the street that we had large numbers and the he COULD win. The only thing that we could do that was different, that stood a chance of gaining massive publicity, and would help us convince those who liked Ron Paul but thought he was a wasted vote, would be to have over 100,000 people donate on the same day. Even that wasn't going to be a cure all but in my mind it was a move in the right direction. It would be a huge morale booster and would give fresh ammo to our argument and cause.

There were other factors as well. 1.) We had just underperformed in the NH primary which hurt morale. 2.) a lot of people were writing me telling me they were very upset there was no recount and that they wouldn't donate again. 3.) Many supporters had depleted their funds with two huge money bombs 4.) no publicity from December 16th meaning less motivation going forward.. and so on. So, I thought it would much easier for us to go with a lower minimum number so that everyone could participate. The pledge was for $10 or more so I thought we could certainly raise millions of dollars as well.