Are we through throwing blame yet?

acptulsa · 03-07-2008, 09:41 AM

Can we stop and remember that this is about liberty yet? Do we want us and our kids to be free?

Can any one of us do it alone?

Are we on the same side of this war or aren't we?

Todd · 03-07-2008, 09:43 AM

who are you refering to...The guy with the multiple threads about leaving the GOP?

Rahl · 03-07-2008, 09:44 AM

"the guy" has done this for months.

pcosmar · 03-07-2008, 09:49 AM

If you think it is about "Parties" whether "R" or "D" you are deluded.
Please Educate yourself.
A Good Place to Start.
http://www.freedomforceinternational...recalling1.pdf
http://www.freedomforceinternational...recalling2.pdf
http://www.freedomforceinternational...recalling3.pdf
http://www.freedomforceinternational...recalling4.pdf
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=0

acptulsa · 03-07-2008, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Todd Morris

who are you refering to...The guy with the multiple threads about leaving the GOP?

Actually, no--or at least not specifically. I consider the factions saying that the other factions are wholly responsible for our failures to be more damaging. I have supported libertarian ideals for decades and I know what an uphill battle it is to get the message out. While we scream at each other, there are still tens of millions of Americans whose first reaction to hearing the name Ron Paul is, "Who?" I'm talking to all of us.

Instead of trying to convert each other, can we look outward? Americans are as varied as we are. Less intelligent, less involved, perhaps less open minded, but as varied. We need all of us to reach all of them.

Why are we wasting all of this vitriol on each other when John McCain actually deserves it?

acptulsa · 03-07-2008, 10:06 AM

I guess that answers my question. Too bad.

Libertytree · 03-07-2008, 10:15 AM

There you went and did it again acptulsa....using that calm reasoning, common sense stuff.

Enlightening those that are not in this forum is what's important and key to this movement. Being reactionary and vitriolic amongst ourselves is counter productive and more like preaching to the preachers.

When you've been in this fight for an extended amount of time ya learn to pace yourself and take a patient, even keeled approach or face total burnout. The odds are never with the righteous and no one ever said it was gonna be easy, let alone fair.

acptulsa · 03-07-2008, 10:17 AM

I know I never promised anyone a rose garden. Been fighting the establishment too long for that.

acptulsa · 03-07-2008, 10:46 AM

Would someone be kind enough to call me when we're through going in circles and ready to move forward again?

Sandra · 03-07-2008, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acptulsa

Would someone be kind enough to call me when we're through going in circles and ready to move forward again?

...or you could quit blaming everyone else and start initiating ideas. other than that ,please leave your number.

03-07-2008, 09:41 AM	#1
acptulsa Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 15,787	Are we through throwing blame yet? Can we stop and remember that this is about liberty yet? Do we want us and our kids to be free? Can any one of us do it alone? Are we on the same side of this war or aren't we? __________________ When the freedom they wished for most was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free and was never free again.--Edith Hamilton There is no such thing as sheeple. There is only Yamamoto's sleeping giant, waiting to be filled with a terrible resolve.

03-07-2008, 09:49 AM	#4
pcosmar Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UP Michigan Posts: 8,049	If you think it is about "Parties" whether "R" or "D" you are deluded. Please Educate yourself. A Good Place to Start. http://www.freedomforceinternational...recalling1.pdf http://www.freedomforceinternational...recalling2.pdf http://www.freedomforceinternational...recalling3.pdf http://www.freedomforceinternational...recalling4.pdf http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=0 __________________ Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long. Ron Paul 2004 Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202 It's all about Freedom

03-07-2008, 10:06 AM	#6
acptulsa Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 15,787	I guess that answers my question. Too bad. __________________ When the freedom they wished for most was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free and was never free again.--Edith Hamilton There is no such thing as sheeple. There is only Yamamoto's sleeping giant, waiting to be filled with a terrible resolve.

03-07-2008, 10:15 AM	#7
Libertytree Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 389	There you went and did it again acptulsa....using that calm reasoning, common sense stuff. Enlightening those that are not in this forum is what's important and key to this movement. Being reactionary and vitriolic amongst ourselves is counter productive and more like preaching to the preachers. When you've been in this fight for an extended amount of time ya learn to pace yourself and take a patient, even keeled approach or face total burnout. The odds are never with the righteous and no one ever said it was gonna be easy, let alone fair. __________________ Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose. Janis Joplin

03-07-2008, 10:17 AM	#8
acptulsa Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 15,787	I know I never promised anyone a rose garden. Been fighting the establishment too long for that. __________________ When the freedom they wished for most was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free and was never free again.--Edith Hamilton There is no such thing as sheeple. There is only Yamamoto's sleeping giant, waiting to be filled with a terrible resolve.

03-07-2008, 09:44 AM	#3
Rahl Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Austria, Vienna Posts: 210	"the guy" has done this for months.

03-07-2008, 10:46 AM	#9
acptulsa Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 15,787	Would someone be kind enough to call me when we're through going in circles and ready to move forward again? __________________ When the freedom they wished for most was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free and was never free again.--Edith Hamilton There is no such thing as sheeple. There is only Yamamoto's sleeping giant, waiting to be filled with a terrible resolve.

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