New ammo coding laws trying to pass

[tangent4ronpaul]

Don't sit back and count on the NRA or the GOA to take care of this for you. You are the only one that can prevent an ammo BAN in your state.

You can comfort yourselves that you are educated on the situation, but unless you take that next step and DO SOMETHING about it, your firearms will become door stops and clubs.

Don't be a fair weather friend - DO SOMETHING about this!

-n

[tangent4ronpaul]

see previous post too about NSSF involvement in the issue - 2 new posts today.

http://nssf.org/media/FactSheets/Bul...ialization.cfm

FAST FACTS . . .

Bullet Serialization

Bullet Serialization in General

• Bullet Serialization is the process by which each individual round of ammunition is identified and marked with a laser engraved serial number.

Concerns About Bullet Serialization

• Bullet serialization is a de facto ban on ammunition

• Manufacturers of ammunition cannot serialize ammo as it would force a slowdown in the production process -- the likes of which would turn one day's worth of production into a three week effort.

• This massive reduction in ammunition would translate into substantially lower sales and profitability and ultimately force major ammunition manufacturers to abandon the market. In turn, there would be a severe shortage of serialized ammunition and all consumers, including federal, state and local law enforcement agencies, would be faced with substantial price increases.

• Ammunition will go from costing pennies to several dollars per cartridge.

• Ammunition manufacturers could not serialize their product without hundreds of millions of dollars in capital investment to build the new factories that would be needed in order to meet the requirements of bullet serialization. At the same time hundreds of millions of dollars of existing plants and equipment, and decades of manufacturing (cost-saving) efficiencies, would be rendered obsolete.

Bullet Serialization and Law Enforcement

• Reducing the availability and affordability of training ammunition would result in degrading marksmanship.

• The technical evolution of law enforcement pistol ammunition has progressed exponentially over the past 15 years. For example, SAAMI-member ammunition producers developed bullet-bonding technology to provide law enforcement with products that offer enhanced performance through barriers such as auto glass, steel, and wallboard. Law enforcement would be forced to use lesser quality ammunition, putting officers at risk.

• As manufacturers use the same machines and manufacturing processes to make all ammunition, whether it is for the civilian, law enforcement or military markets, it would be impossible, as some contend, to merely exempt law-enforcement.

• Bullet serialization legislation failed in California after numerous law-enforcement groups, including the California Police Chiefs' Association, the California Peace Officers' Association, the Association of Los Angeles Deputy Sheriffs and the Los Angeles Police Protective League urged lawmakers to vote it down.

• James J. Fotis, Executive Director of the Law Enforcement Alliance of America, went so far as to say, "If passed, this legislation will certainly play out like a horror flick on public safety and law enforcement in California."

Bullet Serialization and the Military

• Congressman Duncan Hunter, then Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, expressed such concerns in his April 25, 2005 letter to Governor Schwarzenegger describing bullet serialization as "troubling." The congressman wrote, " . . . I am strongly opposed to this proposal because of the harmful impact it will have on the manufacturers of ammunition used by our nation's armed services and law enforcement agencies."

The Science Behind Bullet Serialization

• There have been no independent, peer-reviewed studies by qualified forensic scientists.

• The technology has not been the subject of any articles in the journal of the Association of Firearm and Toolmark Examiners (AFTE), the relevant professional society.

• No independent studies have been done to determine the safety implications of using high speed laser engravers in the presence of the ammunition components, i.e. primers, propellants, etc. For instance, flash photography is not permitted inside factories because of gunpowder ignition concerns.

• Most bullets (especially hunting cartridges) are mangled beyond recognition on impact, which, in most cases, would obliterate the "serial number."

Threats of Bullet Serialization

• The California legislature has attempted numerous times to give the state’s Attorney General the power to mandate bullet serialization of all ammunition ― including shotgun shells. While the firearms industry was able to thwart this dangerous legislation from passing, future attempts to require bullet serialization are a certainty, in California and elsewhere.

• A lobbying campaign is underway to pass legislation at the state level mandating bullet serialization. The Ravensforge Company, a skateboarding equipment corporation with strong financial ties to bullet serialization technology, is leading the charge.

• Anti-gun legislators in the Mississippi State Senate have proposed legislation, SB 2286, that would mandate bullet serialization. If passed into law, the legislation would force the closure of the newly opened Winchester Ammunition factory in Oxford, Miss. -- a move which would result in hundreds of Mississippi workers losing their jobs and millions in tax revenue disappearing from the state. The legislation would also force law-abiding citizens and retailers to dispose of any ammunition they currently hold that is not serialized.

Links

• SAAMI letter to CA
• SAAMI letter to VT

[tangent4ronpaul]

The NSSF (National Shooting Sports Foundation) seems to be on top of this:

http://www.nssf.org/legal/index.cfm?AoI=LL

Anti-Gun Movement at State Level

In the past two weeks, NSSF has identified increased anti-gun movement at the state level nationwide, most notably seen in legislation to require bullet serialization in Arizona, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Mississippi, New York, Pennsylvania, Tennessee and Washington. Track all of these bills. (click through for link)

As a reminder, the hearings are tomorrow at 1pm for MD in Annapolis. MD residents that want to attend please visit this link:

http://www.marylandshallissue.org/curact.html

The hearings start at 1pm, but you have to be there by 12 to sign up to speak (you get 3 min each) or to submit written testimony. For the latter, you have to bring 35+ copies and the bill number, HB-517 must be written at the top of each page.


On a slightly different track, Connecticut is calling for microstamping of ammunition - the same failed technology California passed into law in 2007 that will take effect in 2010.

http://www.nssf.org/legal/links/alerts/Connecticut.cfm

Anti-gun legislators in the Connecticut General Assembly have called for legislation to mandate the microstamping of firearms -- requiring a gun's make, model and serial number to be micro laser-engraved on the firing pin so, in theory, the information is imprinted on the cartridge casing that is discharged when the pistol is fired. While no bill number has been issued yet, NSSF is closely monitoring the legislative activity in the Constitution State.

Opposition to the legislation has intensified as firearm manufacturers have indicated that passage of a microstamping bill would force them to raise prices of guns significantly, as much as $200 per firearm, because the failed technology would require a complete reconfiguring of the manufacturing and assembly processes.

Further emboldening opposition to the microstamping bill is the recent release of a study by researchers at the University of California at Davis proving that the technology is "flawed" and "does not work well for all guns and ammunition." The authors concluded that, "At the current time it is not recommended that a mandate for implementation of this technology in all semiautomatic handguns in the state of California be made. Further testing, analysis and evaluation is required."

click through for the rest...

-n

[tangent4ronpaul]

http://nssf.org/media/FactSheets/Microstamping.cfm

FAST FACTS . . .

Microstamping

What is Microstamping?

Microstamping is a patented process that laser engraves the firearm's make, model and serial number on the tip of the gun's firing pin so that, in theory, it imprints the information on discharged cartridge cases.

What is the Problem with Microstamping?

A recent independent, peer-reviewed, study published in the professional scholarly journal for forensic firearms examiners proved that the technology of microstamping is unreliable and does not function as the patent holder claims. It can be easily defeated in mere seconds using common household tools or criminals could simply switch the engraved firing pin for readily available unmarked spare parts, thereby circumventing the technology.

Experts at the University of California, Davis, recently finished a study of the technology which was requested and funded by the California State Legislature. The conclusions about the technology are straightforward and direct. The researchers found this patented technology "flawed" and concluded that "At the current time it is not recommended that a mandate for implementation of this technology in all semiautomatic handguns in the state of California be made. Further testing, analysis and evaluation is required."

NSSF and other groups, including major law enforcement organizations, are opposed to this unproven and unreliable technology. The cost of this dubious technology is a great concern to firearms owners and taxpayers alike. Microstamping legislation in California would not only have forced consumers of firearms to pay exorbitant price increases ― as much as $200 per firearm ― to cover the increased cost of microstamping, but substantially higher taxes for the cost of microstamped law enforcement guns.

Legislative Threats

Microstamping legislation is a threat at both the federal and state level. U.S. Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.) and U.S. Rep. Xavier Becerra (D-Calif.) have proposed drafting a federal bill to mandate the flawed technology, and, in California, microstamping legislation passed out of the state Senate and Assembly and was signed into law by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger in October 2007. It is set to take effect in January 2010.

Resources

To learn more about microstamping technology and specific threats in California, please visit the following links:

NSSF Backgrounder on Microstamping and Cost

NSSF Backgrounder on Microstamping and Crime

NSSF Backgrounder on U.C. Davis Study

NSSF Backgrounder on Professor Krivosta Study

[tangent4ronpaul]

HB-517 Hearing highlights.

From: http://www.mdshooters.com/forumdisplay.php?f=9

There are some good tips in here as to the process that can be applied elsewhere.

-n


The climax of our testimony was when a technical expert from Remmington and Federal each testified about the lies told by the inventor of the encoding. They were damn good. After that it was mostly testimony to pile on to show support and make a presence IMO.


The "inventor" was an idiot. His take away point was that the new piece of equipment that the police needed was a "90 cent magnifying glass". He did concede that he stood to make a lot of money if this bill passed.

I was happy to hear that Burns amended the bill on the spot to remove "long guns" from the ammunition list. While that looked good to the uninititated it changed nothing.

I agree with NC that the highlight of my 8 hour stay was the guys from Remington and Federal. They really put holes in the patent holder's arguements.


There were 3 people speaking in favor of the bill:
1. Delegate Burns, lead sponsor.
2. Another Delegate from Baltimore (Robinson, I think)
3. Russ Ford, so-called expert on this technology and one of the patent holders.

I don't share 00 Guy's compunction about saying nasty things about people so I will say that Delegate Burns is ****ing numbnuts, no-load intellectual vacuum. He spilled more garbage out of his mouth than a truck at the Burns Crossing Landfill. When pressed on some of his alleged facts, he stumbled and hrrummphed because it wasn't on his prepared cue cards.

Russ Ford sucked up the most time and began reading his prepared testimony. He went on about how he has many firearms and is a licensed CCW holder and how this was not an anti-gun bill, yada, yada, yada.

I figured out that this bill was basically DOA when Chairman Vallario cut the guy off and said they already had his written testimony and didn't need to hear it verbally as well.

Delegate Robinson (?) went on and on about how we needed this bill because "her people" were dying in Baltimore. Delegate Smiegiel replied that if they wanted to reduce murders in Baltimore they should get behind the right to carry a concealed firearm because it has been proven time and again that CCW saves lives.

I thought Burns was going to explode. He said he didn't believe in the right to carry and that it would cause mayhem.

Then Smigiel and Dwyer went on the offensive. Smiegiel asked Ford if he was the patent hold to which he replied that he was. Smieigel commented that it seemed Mr. Ford had a lot to gain financially from passage of this bill. Ford replied, "Well it is a for-profit business".

Dwyer told him that it might have been more convincing of the viability of the technology had he not sent them an unfired example of a encoded bullet. He said that he didn't expect that he would support the bill for any reason but that he didn't believe that a bullet would stay intact after firing.

Smiegiel cornered Ford on the subject of ballistic fingerprinting and asked him if the encoding was more effective. Ford said, "Yes". Smieigel asked if ballistic fingerprinting worked at all and Ford said, "No".

Smigiel said that he felt like this expert testimony on eliminating ballistic fingerprinting

Papa Joe Vallario put off opposing testimony too late for me to be able to stay. I had a 5:30 family engagement, but did submit my written testimony.

Trbon8tr and I passed Ford and his pubescent lobbyist/handler out at the bus stop. He gave me a little nod and I said, "Good luck in your other states with this because it's not going to pass here."


A couple of other points:

Young delegate on the far right (might have been Chris Shank) took Russ Ford by surprise when he mentioned that hawaii had already killed this bill, and not only that, the Hawaii Attorney General had deemed this bill a violation of the citizen's Constitutional rights. Then he asked Delegate Burns if he had consulted the MD Atty General about this bill, and Burns hesitated before admitting he had not...

Maybe that was one reason why Burns didn't bother to appear when the opponents got to say our piece...he left shortly after Ford finished, and never came back into the session.

When Smigiel told Burns that if we passed CCW in MD Baltimore crime would drop by 25%, I almost fell out of my chair!

When Burns and Ford sat down to give their testimony, an elder gent with a VFW or Americal Legion beret sat beside them....guess he was amped to get the battle started! When Chairman Vallario asked him if he was testifying in favor of the bill, hw looked shock and said "Oh, NOO."


Later that evening (Burns/Ford testified at 2:20, our opposing testimony started about 7:20), the same gent gave an empassioned speech about having fought in 2 wars, freedom and rights, etc. Impressive to hear, would be good for young people to hear these fellas talk from time to time.

And yea Novus, I kinda thought that was a tangent you went off on, but I just thought I was getting tired...


7:20PM......that is out-****ingrageous. What a shame that Vallario had us get there at 1pm (11:20am for me) and then keep you waiting that late.

That is an absolute travesty.


Does that really surprise you? I think they do that intentionally, hoping that we will grow weary and leave before our turn to speak.


One thing I forgot:

While a few of us were talking in the lobby around 5:00 or so, Delegate Gerron Levi (pronounced like the jeans, if youm ever meet her in person) approached Novus and said hello. She ALSO SAID:

"You guys sure know how to do a mail campaign, and how to have a presence in person at the hearings."

Our hard work is paying off guys! A good reminder that our letters and presence do make an impact, even when they don't agree with a particular bill.....

Well if it does make it out of committee which by all reports it does not sound like it will (unless the fix is in), then we will have to bring the pain with a broader writing/email/phone campaign.

The hearing itself finally ended at 8:20 PM. I didn't testify, but I stayed for the whole thing. For those of you that wanted to make it but had to work, next time try calling some of us that attend, you might still be able to make it (and bring food for those of us that have been there since noonish)


Allowing the three supporters of the bill to testify early in the afternoon but making the opposition wait until the evening was a bum move and delegates knew it. During one of the later bills, delegate Kelly made mention about the crowd of gun owners that can be screwed under current legislation if a bill he supported was not passed. Our friends certainly appreciated our wait today.

The support for 517 was anemic. Burns did so much backpedaling trying to make the bill seem less idiotic that he could have left skid marks and there didn't seem to be much confidence in his voice. Kind of felt like he was aware he had been hoodwinked by Russ Ford at times.

The other delegate supporting the bill made the audacious statement that the only thing guns were being used for by her people was to kill. If it weren't for the long, long wait for the opposition, the folks representing the Baltimore area gun clubs would have torn her a new one.

I'd say it's safe to write this one off as dead. Even delegates we frequently don't see eye to eye on said as much. We just have to do a followup round of e-mails/calls/letters to finish putting the nails in the coffin and to bring up points we might have thought about during the hearing itself or forgot about.

I'm physically exhausted but emotionally uplifted by the days events. Seeing quite clearly that we're not alone in this makes all the crap we deal with in this state much more bearable. Watching Smiegal go on the attack was one of the most hilarious and gratifying things I've seen. I had a chance to talk with some of the people in various organizations dedicated to the cause out in the hall and also with the NRA rep (he didn't speak himself, but he submitted testimony and stayed for the whole thing) and a Second Amendment Sister representative on the way back to the parking lot. The various parties involved in the cause may not always agree, but there's an understanding that each one matters.


That Ford guy sounded like a total prick, feeding and profiteering off of attacks on our civil liberties at the hands of others. I hope this nonsense crashes and burns everywhere.



Here are some of the people who gave opposing testimony - not everyone, but those organizations being represented:

Remington Arms
Federal Arms
MD Association of Firearms Retailers
MD Shall Issue
Associated Gun Clubs of Baltimore
MD Sportsmen's Assn
Western MD Sportsmen's Assn
2nd Amendment Sisters


Just remembered something regarding examples of Burns' backpedalling that Simon Yu mentioned.

He wants to put an amended version in that would exempt long guns.

It's a false premise, because there are virtually no cartridges that are exclusively rifle cartridges. It was at that point that I realized that even Burns knew this thing was dying.


The highlight for me was Smigiel telling Ford that he hopes his company "never makes any money".

I think I saw Ford's head snap back a few inches after that verbal slap.

I got the feeling Ford received a much more icy welcome in Maryland than he expected. Now he can head back to Seattle and explain to all his investors how he got his ass handed to him again.

[BreakYourChains]

Wow! Thank you for this incredible find and research! Please keep this bumped up!

[tangent4ronpaul]

More reports and action request to send follow up e-mails:

1) The HB-517 hearing

I can't report better than forward the email that cowboy shooter Chuck Crooks sent out:


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Howdy all,

HB-517 is a billed that would require all manufactured ammunition to be encoded with a serial number in the bottom of the projectile (bullet) and one on the inside of the case. It also includes a 5 cent tax, per round. They have amended the bill to not include long gun ammo (this still would apply to pistol caliber ammo that is used in a long gun). They also amended the bill to not collect the ammo made prior to the start date.


The bill includes, as far as we can tell, all ammo that is used in a regulated firearm. Specifically handguns but, many long guns are also regulated.


The very bottom line is this would effect all of us in Maryland because the shooting sports would end and ranges would close. Period.


Competitions with out of state participants would end, as they could not bring recently manufactured ammo into our state. The real horror is no company would make any ammo for the little state of Maryland.


The only two people that spoke in favor of the bill were the author (Delegate Emmett Burns from Baltimore), and owner the company that developed and patented the concept of micro stamping. He is taking his dog and pony show to the other 11 states that are considering a bill of this type. He is not about saving lives, he about revenue on the sale of every piece of ammo sold. He will not go away and there are plenty of people, in the legislature, that like what he is saying.


There were 35 people that spoke in opposition of HB-517.


The very first two were representatives of Remington and Federal. Both fierce competitors but united against this bill. When questioned by the Delegates, they explained that even though the technology was available to micro stamp the ammunition, from a manufacturing standpoint, it was not feasible. It would add considerable cost to a box of ammo. (I asked one of them how much a box of 38 special would cost and he said around $50). The "Initial" cost to build a plant was estimated at 10 million dollars. From a business standpoint, it would not be cost effective to build and man a plant to produce ammunition for Maryland. Hence, we would have no ammunition sales.


All of the shotgun users are sitting back saying this does not effect them. Believe me, if you think shogun sales would support all of our gun shops think again. The effect of this bill would put them out of business. It would kill the ranges we have, it would prevent competitions from out of state shooters, it would kill 70% of the income for DNR and their programs. The snowball effect would be devastating and in the long run effect the Maryland economy.


We were well represented, and the 35 people that spoke against the bill impressed the panel. I thank, Chuck Limparis (Dogmeat Dad), Paul Bluteau (Tug Hill), Dave Elston (DQ Dave), Henry Heymering (Lucky Horseshoe) and many others for spending an entire day and eventually evening, to tell our side of the story.


I was however, very disappointed at how few were there. The consequences of this bill are devastating. SILENCE IS ACCEPTANCE. These elected people do respond to numbers. And quite frankly, I don't think 35 people is a big number for something so important.


The next step for the Delegates is to review the bill again and make a decision on its fate. There is still time to make an impact. Contact your Delegate and let them know you oppose this bill and why. Don't rant and rave, don't be belligerent. Be, factual and sincere.


There is another piece of this legislation that is current going to be read by the House Ways and Means committee. They were supposed to cover this bill at the same time but did not. We don't know if they were waiting to see what happened yesterday or not but it could come up for a hearing any day.


How do it think it went? I think we have a good shot of killing this in the house. We did have friends on the Judicial Committee. We can hope that they can convince their peers how the bill could effect many state programs and solve no crimes.


Call or write your Delegate today. They do listen. To find you representative and check the status of a bill, take this link. http://mdelect.net/electedofficials/


It does not matter if you are a hunter, shoot skeet, trap shooter, cowboy, IPSC, IDPA or a casual plinker, this bill, or any like it, will effect these activities in Maryland.


Chuck Crooks (Chuckaroo)
BOD Wildlife Achievement Chapter IWLA
BOD Thurmont Conservation and Sportsman's Club
SASS Territorial Governor


SILENCE IS ACCEPTANCE
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Now, before they vote on the bill in committee is the time to let them know how you feel. Contact your Delegates, but also email all of the members of the Judiciary Committee:

ACTION: Please email the below list of members of the House Judiciary

curt.anderson@house.state.md.us, todd.schuler@house.state.md.us, susan.mccomas@house.state.md.us, kathleen.dumais@house.state.md.us, joseph.vallario@house.state.md.us, jill.carter@house.state.md.us, don.dwyer@house.state.md.us, michael.smigiel@house.state.md.us, jeff.waldstreicher@house.state.md.us, tony.mcconkey@house.state.md.us, ben.barnes@house.state.md.us, samuel.rosenberg@house.state.md.us, susan.lee@house.state.md.us, william.frank@house.state.md.us, victor.ramirez@house.state.md.us, benjamin.kramer@house.state.md.us, frank.conaway@house.state.md.us, Christopher.Shank@house.state.md.us, luiz.simmons@house.state.md.us, kris.valderrama@house.state.md.us, gerron.levi@house.state.md.us

Here is some newspaper coverage of the hearing:
http://www.herald-mail.com/?cmd=disp...14&format=html
or
http://tinyurl.com/yvohxu


2) Maryland state Libertarian convention

Will be held this Saturday, March 1st. Sebastian Sassi (MSI Vice President, and www.progunprogressive.com blogger) will be a guest speaker. Feel free to come on by! Details: March 1(Saturday): MdLP annual convention. Location: Squire's Italian Restaurant, 6723 Holabird Avenue, Dundalk, MD 21222. Click for more information. Contact: Bob JohnstonBob Johnston.

Sebastian was on Baltimore's Fox 45 TV last Friday. The video is here:
http://www.foxbaltimore.com/players/.../vid_132.shtml
... but even after registering I couldn't get it to play for me ....



- Henry Heymering, President


Maryland Shall Issue, Inc.

P.O. Box 314

Libertytown, MD 21762

240-446-6782
http://www.marylandshallissue.org
henry@marylandshallissue.org

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here is a report from a Ron Paul supporter:

Here's my take on yesterday's events.

We arrived in Annapolis around 1:00 and listened to the committee go over several other bills before 517 came up.
It was standing room only - 95% of the visitors were there because of this gun bill. Sheriffs - a bunch of them, normal people like us, and some other organizations. Like Second Amendment Sisters and some people who are the presidents of gun clubs. The only ones there who wanted the bill was Delegate Burns, because it would track criminals, and the inventor of the serial numbering technology.
It was !!!!!!SO OBVIOUS!!!!!! that the inventor wants MD to be the first to implement it because then other states would implement it and he would become a multi-millionaire within a year. I'm dead serious. It reminded me of those old cartoons when the $ signs flashed in the character's eyes. He was trying to be humble, but that's how he came across.
The proof he had that the serial numbering technology works wasn't proof at all. For instance - he provided a bullet for each delegate, to show them the serial number on the bottom. But he didn't provide one that had been shot into a wall or something like that. Many bullets fragment on impact. He had no proof that the number wouldn't be destroyed.
Something else - about a billion rounds are sold in MD every year.
If a box of bullets has 50 rounds in it, that means that there would be about 200,000,000 different serial numbers for very box. (did I do that math right?) That means the last bullet that would be manufactured would have a number 9 digits long. I don't think you can see a 9-digit number lasered onto the back of the bullet with a 99cent magnifying glass.
One other thing - if this was implemented, gun owners would just go to PA or VA or Delaware to buy bullets.
Sales would drop dramatically. You know what else? It would take $10,000,000 for ONE factory to change around its machines for this new technology. I'm dead serious. 10 millions bucks! Money doesn't grow on trees! Well, actually it does...paper is made out of wood. Anyway, back to the subject at hand.

Delegate Smigeil - God bless his heart, I want to live wherever he's representing - said something along the line of, "If you want to curb crime, give everyone where you live, a gun! That's what stops crime - when people can defend themselves!" Then later he said to the inventor of the technology, "I hope your company doesn't make a cent!"
My dad cried out, "Amen!" and all the gun people started clapping. It was cool.
Delegate Burns and the inventor guy, who, by the way, wasn't dressed for the occasion, left their seats.
Then the chairman of the committee said since there were about 35 people that were going to testify against the bill, all the other bills were going to be introduced first, then all the gun people could speak.

At about 7:20-7:30 the committee was ready to proceed with the gun bill.
But first, they gave all of us a hand of applause for waiting over 6 hours to testify.
That committee of delegates, clapping for us, warmed my heart. For the moment, we were among friends. I assure you, the way and manner those delegates treated us, with respect(other than waiting for about 6 hours), this bill won't go past committee. A suspicious inventor along with one delegate, against sherriffs, gun clubs, gun owneres, fellow MD citizens, and a some outspoken committe members, especially Smigiel, this bill ain't going anywhere.
All in all, a very good day. Very tiring, but very good.

[tangent4ronpaul]

We WON! - this round anyway...

Subject: HB 517: The Encoded Ammunition bill was given an unfavorable report by the House Judiciary Committee
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 18:06:17 -0500
From: Delegate.G.Levi@house.state.md.us
To: Gerron.Levi@house.state.md.us

The bill is dead for this session of the Maryland General Assembly.


on a side note, both ammo makers reps said it would not be practical to build a seperate ammo plant just for MD, so the bill would in fact be a ammo ban.

2 states down (HI was the other that rejected it) and 9 to go!

-n

[Doktor_Jeep]

Out-farking-standing.

This is the kind of information the internet was made for.

[kyleAF]

WTG!

One state at a time until the firearm industry is broken... seems like a good attack approach. Devilish bastards! Great job stopping it for now!