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Old 02-17-2008, 03:44 PM   #1
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An independent Scotland would have to choose between raising taxes and cutting public spending within a decade, as oil revenues dwindle alongside production in the North Sea.
A Financial Times analysis shows that the current high level of oil prices would allow Scotland to declare independence from the rest of the UK without having to cut public spending. In 2007-08 the nation would have lower government borrowing than the UK.Scotland would also be at the mercy of volatile North Sea oil revenues, according to the analysis, which would account for more than 6 per cent of its economy and more than 20 per cent of its tax revenues.

As opinion polls suggest the SNP is on course to become the biggest party in the devolved Scottish parliament after next Thursday’s election, the research offers support for Alex Salmond’s assertion that his country would be economically viable if stripped of support from the UK Treasury.
However, the FT research also chimes with Labour claims that without its “black gold” Scotland would struggle to fill a gaping Budget deficit that would force it to rethink its generously funded welfare model.

However, the Scottish National party’s plan to build a £90bn oil fund to endow the nation with riches in the future looks to be unrealistic because every penny of oil revenues would be needed to finance current public expenditure.

Within a decade of independence, Scotland would have to wean itself off North Sea revenues, even if oil prices remain high. The UK Offshore Operators’ Association forecast that oil production will fall from 3m barrels of oil (or equivalents) a day in 2007 to fewer than 1m by 2020.


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Old 02-17-2008, 04:10 PM   #2
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Lol!



FREEEEEEDOMMM!!!!

(My grandfather emigrated here from Scotland... I love the place). Damn English.
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Old 02-17-2008, 04:16 PM   #3
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Some sources say oil production will dwindle to under 1 mil bpd by 2010, some say 2020, etc., I don't know how solid an answer anyone can form on the question of how long an independent Scotland would last on its North Sea oil resources. Positive sources also say there's still more than 50% of the oil reserves still in the North Sea currently. Personally, I don't think a nation can put all its trust into one basket, especially as sources are unreliable on how long we'd last..and then there's the question of where the income comes from if and when the oil resources become unprofitable.. A part of me knows not to fully trust MSM reports anyway - for all I know, there could be 500 years worth of oil somewhere just off the North-east coast

Politically, I can only say I'm fully behind the SNP and the hopes of an independent Scotland, I hate being "British", it's disgusting, in my opinion. I don't want to be considered British as much as I don't want to be part of a super-Euro-state, whose population is universally known as European. I'm Scottish, and and independent Scotland is a step AWAY from a one-world government, hopefully. However, I think a lot of people, myself included, have only a casual opinion, as the SNP is ambitious, but probably rubbish. But hey, it's something to put hope in, and not just the lesser of 2 (or 3) rubbish evils - it actually cares about national sovereignty. And as for Alex Salmond, I've met the guy, he's one of the good guys, he's misguided on a few issues, but at least he gives a damn! Unlike most politicians who just give a damn about their own well-being, he actually gives a damn about his constituents and his country and our well-beings.
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Old 02-17-2008, 06:57 PM   #4
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The real question is this:

When will the Scottish Labour mafia relinquish control of the UK?

Or, to phrase it another way, when will England declare independence from the UK?
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Old 02-21-2008, 11:38 AM   #5
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The real question is this:

When will the Scottish Labour mafia relinquish control of the UK?

Or, to phrase it another way, when will England declare independence from the UK?
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Old 02-21-2008, 11:44 AM   #6
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What you're saying in your orignial post then, is sort of contradictory. You say free Scotland, yet you also say that the freedom would cost more than it would gain, hence damaging the society.. and effectively sending it right back to the UK. I say don't open a can of worms.
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Zolah, I have a question......
Here's a quote from The Declaration of Arbroath:


Most Holy Father and Lord, we know and from the chronicles and books of the ancients we find that among other famous nations our own, the Scots, has been graced with widespread renown. They journeyed from Greater Scythia by way of the Tyrrhenian Sea and the Pillars of Hercules, and dwelt for a long course of time in Spain among the most savage tribes, but nowhere could they be subdued by any race, however barbarous. Thence they came, twelve hundred years after the people of Israel crossed the Red Sea, to their home in the west where they still live today. The Britons they first drove out, the Picts they utterly destroyed, and, even though very often assailed by the Norwegians, the Danes and the English, they took possession of that home with many victories and untold efforts; and, as the historians of old time bear witness, they have held it free of all bondage ever since. In their kingdom there have reigned one hundred and thirteen kings of their own royal stock, the line unbroken a single foreigner.

http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/home/scotlan...h_english.html


The Scots came from Scythia?
Is this claim - "They journeyed from Greater Scythia" - a common knowledge in Scotland?

But Scythia is.... Russia.





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"Most Holy Father and Lord, we know and from the chronicles and books of the ancients we find that among other famous nations our own, the Scots, has been graced with widespread renown. They journeyed from Greater Scythia by way of the Tyrrhenian Sea and the Pillars of Hercules, and dwelt for a long course of time in Spain among the most savage tribes, but nowhere could they be subdued by any race, however barbarous."

http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/home/scotlan...h_english.html



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The Declaration of Arbroath was sent to the Pope in 1320, six years after the battle of Bannockburn. King Edward II had refused to make peace with Scotland and the Pope had not recognised Robert the Bruce as King of Scotland.
It is thought eight Scottish earls and 38 barons sealed the Declaration – the sole survivor of three letters written from Scotland to the Pope at the time –
urging the Pope to recognise Robert the Bruce as King of Scotland.
Due to its fragile state, the Declaration is on display in a purpose-built hermetically sealed display case to protect it for future generations.

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The Scottish descended from the northern kingdom of Israel, as did most Europeans. No believing this does not make you a racist so don't start that crapola with me I'm not a racist. In the declaration of Arbroath mention is made of this fact of Israeli descent. There is much evidence the Scythians were the Israelis who were carried away captive by Assyria. They later migrated into Europe. This "claim" is not a claim it is a fact and no it is not common knowledge. The people running the show prefer this knowledge to remain obscure.

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