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    Cato, "a focus on domestic manufacturing is simply a fetish..."

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    Damn white people, always oppressing others by being gainfully employed and $#@!
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    We should just shut up and be subjugated exterminated.
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    It's not really Cato saying this. It's a speaker, who I don't think is affiliated with Cato, speaking at a Cato event.

    I wouldn't be surprised to find a lot of anti-libertarian things said by Adam Posen, but the quote in the OP isn't one of them.
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
    Ron Paul
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    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    It's not really Cato saying this. It's a speaker, who I don't think is affiliated with Cato, speaking at a Cato event.

    I wouldn't be surprised to find a lot of anti-libertarian things said by Adam Posen, but the quote in the OP isn't one of them.
    It may or may not be "anti-libertarian", but it is nonsense, and woke scripture. I hope someone rebutted him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    It's not really Cato saying this. It's a speaker, who I don't think is affiliated with Cato, speaking at a Cato event.
    Being invited to speak at their event doesn't fit any definition of an affiliation at all?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Being invited to speak at their event doesn't fit any definition of an affiliation at all?
    OK. That's a kind of affiliation, the same kind of affiliation that Ron Paul has with CNN, but not the kind that makes them a representative of the group.
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
    Ron Paul
    Congressional Record (March 13, 2001)

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    It may or may not be "anti-libertarian", but it is nonsense, and woke scripture. I hope someone rebutted him.
    Have no fear. There have already been throngs of white males with low education rebutting him with, "They took our jobs!"
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
    Ron Paul
    Congressional Record (March 13, 2001)



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    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    OK.
    Don't you know a rhetorical question when you hear one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    That's a kind of affiliation, the same kind of affiliation that Ron Paul has with CNN...
    Being invited to give a speech at an event is exactly the same thing in your mind as a three minute hostile cross examination? Since when?

    You know CNN purports to be a news service, and to maintain that cover they must conduct interviews with somebody. You also know that none of these things are true of CATO.

    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    Have no fear. There have already been throngs of white males with low education rebutting him with, "They took our jobs!"
    Did the systematic, federal policy-driven gutting of domestic industry leave only white males truthfully making that claim?

    You can sound as snidely arrogant as you want to about people who don't meet your arbitrary education threshold, but domestic manufacturing evened out the wealth distribution in this nation, required less carbon-belching transportation of goods worldwide, and Americans were once damned good at it.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 10-08-2022 at 09:27 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Cato has always had an open mic type of policy where they will let anyone use their platform to say anything, which is asinine. Their minds are so open their brains are falling out. And yes Cato has gone libtard in recent years.

    That being said the guy's point that domestic manufacturing is worshipped by people who don't know any better (his racism against white people aside), is pretty spot on. As an economy matures the idea is to shed the lower end work over to developing economies. Most people don't understand that, or care to. Higher end and precision / technical manufacturing (think tech stuff, pharmaceuticals, etc) is good, but the rest should be outsourced if possible simply for economic reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    That being said the guy's point that domestic manufacturing is worshipped by people who don't know any better (his racism against white people aside), is pretty spot on. As an economy matures the idea is to shed the lower end work over to developing economies. Most people don't understand that, or care to. Higher end and precision / technical manufacturing (think tech stuff, pharmaceuticals, etc) is good, but the rest should be outsourced if possible simply for economic reasons.
    There are also plenty of sound reasons why "the idea" you mention is a bad idea economically, environmentally and otherwise. It's no more sound than the notion that developing "higher end" activities means agriculture should be abandoned in favor of frozen and canned imported food.

    I think the wholly theoretical limitation of resources you two are using as justification is nothing but semi-intellectual mumbo jumbo of the exact type power-mongers use to justify the gutting of the middle class and the move toward socialist tyranny. The correct answer is, the market should make an unfettered decision as to where something is made. Anything else is mental masturbation at best, and at worst, a means to an end called slavery.

    If resources are so limited in this country that participation in the one activity limits the other, the free market is a damned sight better qualified to decide what to do about it than you, Posen or anyone else.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 10-08-2022 at 09:59 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    Have no fear. There have already been throngs of white males with low education rebutting him with, "They took our jobs!"
    Oh this makes total sense, because those are always the people with the "powerful positions".

    You know, if you're going to spew nonsense, try to be more subtle about it. Your post was just garbage, and you probably know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    The correct answer is, the market should make an unfettered decision as to where something is made.
    Yes, this, exactly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Cato has always had an open mic type of policy where they will let anyone use their platform to say anything, which is asinine. Their minds are so open their brains are falling out. And yes Cato has gone libtard in recent years.

    That being said the guy's point that domestic manufacturing is worshipped by people who don't know any better (his racism against white people aside), is pretty spot on. As an economy matures the idea is to shed the lower end work over to developing economies. Most people don't understand that, or care to. Higher end and precision / technical manufacturing (think tech stuff, pharmaceuticals, etc) is good, but the rest should be outsourced if possible simply for economic reasons.
    That's foolish and leads to interdependence and globalism.
    You are selling your birthright for a mess of pottage and calling it "Progress" just like the left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    That being said the guy's point that domestic manufacturing is worshipped by people who don't know any better (his racism against white people aside), is pretty spot on. As an economy matures the idea is to shed the lower end work over to developing economies.
    "lower end work"? Tell that to Tesla.

    If America had kept its factories, and modernized them, America as a country would be far better off.

    Cannibalizing your means of production for a short term discount on plastic lawn chairs is not "maturity". That's just idiocy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That's foolish and leads to interdependence and globalism.
    You are selling your birthright for a mess of pottage and calling it "Progress" just like the left.
    I'm frequently reminded of the thread where several people on this board kept trying to call plastic lawn chairs "wealth".

    True wealth comes from owning & leveraging means of production.

    America basically sold its bitcoin mining rigs for a large box of assorted pastic dildos. (a "mature" decision, indeed)
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
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    Well, there is an element of fetishism in a lot of the political dialogue surrounding domestic production. However, the real reasons that manufacturing has been offshoring for decades have nothing to do with economics -- it's not "more economically efficient" to ship raw American lumber to China, have it fabricated into furniture components, packaged and shipped back to an American so they can assemble it in their living room. Nothing in that chain of events has even the first thing to do with economic efficiency. What it does have everything to do with is geopolitical strategy and the global alliance among the world's international political "elites" (who are headquartered in DC) to enslave the entire population of the world, starting with Americans first. If you can enslave America, you can easily enslave the rest of the world without any trouble. That is why all forms of work -- including the very white-collar jobs that were supposed to be replacing manufacturing jobs! -- is being shipped overseas. Americans really only have two choices: join the Beast World Order or be enslaved by it. The coming global war will not end in America, but it has already started here...
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