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    Sen. Flake says he'll retire

    Sen. Jeff Flake, an Arizona Republican, announced Tuesday he would not run for re-election in 2018, condemning in a speech aimed at President Donald Trump the "flagrant disregard of truth and decency" Flake says is undermining American democracy."There are times we must risk our careers," Flake said in a speech on the Senate floor. "Now is such a time."

    Flake, who has criticized the path that the Republican Party has taken under Trump, said the impulse "to threaten and scapegoat" could turn America and the GOP into a "fearful, backward-looking people" and a "fearful, backward- looking party." Flake didn't mention Trump by name, but clearly was directing his remarks at the president and his administration.

    More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/arizona-g...-election.html
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    If he thought the Senate was gonna be a "career" for him, it's probably best he leave.
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    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
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    adios, mofo.
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    Full Transcript Of Sen. Flake's Scathing, Anti-Trump Speech

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-24/heaven-help-us-full-transcript-sen-flakes-scathing-anti-trump-speech
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    Remember when Flake's buddy Marco Rubio said he wasn't going to run? It's a tactic. A redo. He can escape the campaign limelight for a while. Karl Rove will throw in a couple of shills who will create a sh!tstorm, and if no establishment shill is clearly in the lead, Flake can get back in the race, fresh and clean.
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    They can do better than the two they have .
    Do something Danke

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    Looks like Kelli Ward will be up against Kirsten Sinema... one would think Ward would be a shoe-in.
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    i live and vote in az , i have always voted for flake , i liked him when he was in the house and the senate .

    the main reasons i like him is he is not a bobble head or a puppet , he does love america .

    its seams to me the last few potus think they are kings .
    Last edited by ILUVRP; 10-24-2017 at 04:15 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ILUVRP View Post
    i live and vote in az , i have always voted for flake , i liked him when he was in the house and the senate .

    the main reasons i like him is he is not a bobble head or a puppet , he does love america .
    Back in the day when RP was still in congress and the freedom index voting evaluation always scored him a 100%, Jeff Flake was the 80% which was better than 98% of congress. Jeff really is a man of character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by klamath View Post
    Back in the day when RP was still in congress and the freedom index voting evaluation always scored him a 100%, Jeff Flake was the 80% which was better than 98% of congress. Jeff really is a man of character.
    Yeah, but by every metric Flake has become much more liberal/statist since joining the U.S Senate. He's not the same person he was when he was in the house.

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    i don't think flake has become more liberal , i think since the tea party movement the r's have went more right than flake is .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett85 View Post
    Yeah, but by every metric Flake has become much more liberal/statist since joining the U.S Senate. He's not the same person he was when he was in the house.
    By every matrix the RP forums and former Paul voters have shifted sharply anti freedom and pro collective nation socialist and lost almost all concept of principals espoused pa Ron Paul. No I can't be to hard on Jeff. I see a man that put his integrity over partisan politics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by klamath View Post
    By every matrix the RP forums and former Paul voters have shifted sharply anti freedom and pro collective nation socialist and lost almost all concept of principals espoused pa Ron Paul. No I can't be to hard on Jeff. I see a man that put his integrity over partisan politics.
    How did he put his integrity over partisan politics? He did a 180 once he came to the U.S Senate and became just another big government politician. When he was in the hosue he was Ron Paul-esque in his voting record. He sold out on his principles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesiv1 View Post
    adios, mofo.
    If he can't Senate he should get the hell out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett85 View Post
    How did he put his integrity over partisan politics? He did a 180 once he came to the U.S Senate and became just another big government politician. When he was in the hosue he was Ron Paul-esque in his voting record. He sold out on his principles.
    Simple. He didn't back Trump because Trump won as a R president. What I saw most was a shift in RP voters to extreme anti immigrant, and Jeff is not a foaming at the mouth anti immigrant so they accused him of changing. If you were not anti Mexican and muslim you were NOT a libertarian or republican anymore.
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    https://www.thenewamerican.com/freedom-index
    Arizona


    Sen. Jeff Flake - 79%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    https://www.thenewamerican.com/freedom-index
    Arizona


    Sen. Jeff Flake - 79%
    Rand, Massie, Amish, and jones were the only ones to get 90 and 100 percent. 79% is way above average for republican senators.
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    If Flake is a "man of character", then how does quitting and crying like a little bitch reflect this?

    A real man of character, like Ron Paul, stays in the game as long as he can and fights for each and every one of his principles.

    Even if you stand alone.

    Buh, bye, Jeff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klamath View Post
    Rand, Massie, Amish, and jones were the only ones to get 90 and 100 percent. 79% is way above average for republican senators.
    But the average includes his record in the house where he was actually rather conservative. These days he's no better than Rubio. Ever seen him take a good tough vote in the senate? I haven't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    If Flake is a "man of character", then how does quitting and crying like a little bitch reflect this?

    A real man of character, like Ron Paul, stays in the game as long as he can and fights for each and every one of his principles.

    Even if you stand alone.

    Buh, bye, Jeff.
    Jeff he doesn't consider the Republican party to be his party anymore. The party became as a whole the Trump party. They as a whole defend and support anything and everything Trump says and as a whole attack and destroy anyone and everyone that disagrees with trump. Why stay with an organization that is no longer in line with your ideals? The trend in the party is solidly moving away from RP style republicans. Trump has attacked and tried to defeat the majority of the RP republicans that were elected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    If Flake is a "man of character", then how does quitting and crying like a little bitch reflect this?

    A real man of character, like Ron Paul, stays in the game as long as he can and fights for each and every one of his principles.

    Even if you stand alone.

    Buh, bye, Jeff.
    Exactly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    But the average includes his record in the house where he was actually rather conservative. These days he's no better than Rubio. Ever seen him take a good tough vote in the senate? I haven't.
    Rubio is at 60%
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    Quote Originally Posted by klamath View Post
    Rubio is at 60%
    Rubio was never any good so he doesn't have a past record to inflate his current number.
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    https://www.thenewamerican.com/freedom-index
    Arizona


    Sen. Jeff Flake - 79%
    Again, that includes his house votes where he was more conservative. I watched an interview he gave the other day where he said that he regretted voting against the TARP bailouts when he was in the house. Think about that for a second. He doesn't regret any of his anti liberty votes, but he regrets not voting to give taxpayer money to large corporations.



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    Quote Originally Posted by klamath View Post
    Jeff he doesn't consider the Republican party to be his party anymore. The party became as a whole the Trump party. They as a whole defend and support anything and everything Trump says and as a whole attack and destroy anyone and everyone that disagrees with trump. Why stay with an organization that is no longer in line with your ideals? The trend in the party is solidly moving away from RP style republicans. Trump has attacked and tried to defeat the majority of the RP republicans that were elected.
    A senator isn't elected by the party, he's elected by his constituents. Flake is free to leave the party, change parties, go independent, or start a party of his own for the balance of his term. His stated reasons for quitting are a thin disguise for the fact that he doesn't want to face a tough primary with a challenger who would, no doubt, confront him with his voting record.

    There is no way to spin this into an example of high principle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett85 View Post
    Again, that includes his house votes where he was more conservative. I watched an interview he gave the other day where he said that he regretted voting against the TARP bailouts when he was in the house. Think about that for a second. He doesn't regret any of his anti liberty votes, but he regrets not voting to give taxpayer money to large corporations.
    He is 70% in his senate votes, still why above average.
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    Quote Originally Posted by klamath View Post
    He is 70% in his senate votes, still why above average.
    Well, perhaps he's still above average, but that's not hard to accomplish. His voting record has become progressively worse over the years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klamath View Post
    Jeff he doesn't consider the Republican party to be his party anymore. The party became as a whole the Trump party. They as a whole defend and support anything and everything Trump says and as a whole attack and destroy anyone and everyone that disagrees with trump. Why stay with an organization that is no longer in line with your ideals? The trend in the party is solidly moving away from RP style republicans. Trump has attacked and tried to defeat the majority of the RP republicans that were elected.
    Wow, someone please remind me when Ron Paul was well-treated, supported, and not mocked by the Republican Party.

    And please remind me just when the Republican Party had a Ron Paul sensibility to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klamath View Post
    He is 70% in his senate votes, still why above average.

    Sen. Dean Heller - 70%
    Sen. Marco Rubio - 74%
    Sen. James Inhofe - 71%
    Sen. Tim Scott - 75%
    Sen. John Kennedy - 70%
    Sen. Ron Johnson - 70%
    Sen. Michael Enzi - 69%
    Sen. John Barrasso - 72%


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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Why didn't you include the rest of the republican senate? You will see the average then.
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