Inside the mind of a "law and order" Republican

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Enforcing law doesn't necessarily require a formal, government body.

[Zippyjuan]

One problem I observe is that many people don't even bother to separate the two words "law" and "order." People put them together, as if they're inseparable. I don't hear people digging deep enough to discuss the differences. Most of today's new legislation and regulation is about order, not about law.

Laws occur naturally; Law has been around for eons. Do not murder. Do not steal. Man doesn't invent laws. Law precedes man. You don't need people who think they are so smart as to declare eureka, and then pretend they came up with something the rest of us did not know about.

Order code that has nothing to do with law:

consensual drug use and purchasing
smoking in a restaurant
occupational licensing
home schooling regs
Obama "Care"
minimum wage
seatbelt & helmet code
police roadblocks
marriage
gambling
gun statutes
rent stabilization/control
eminent domain
paid work family leave
blue "laws"
happy hour legislation
assisted suicide
firework selling restrictions
asset forfeiture
campaign contribution statutes
cable TV regulation
raw milk selling
trans-fat food bans
Etc, etc, etc, etc

So all laws come from God and therefore must all be just and fair since none were created by man. Or are they created by the Devil? What is their true source?

(I disagree- all laws aside from laws of physics are created by man).

[Zippyjuan]

Enforcing law doesn't necessarily require a formal, government body.

How does one encourage compliance with laws? If you want me to obey one of your laws, how can you prevent me from violating it? A law without enforcement capabilities is a useless law. More of a "suggestion" really.

[Anti Federalist]

How does one encourage compliance with laws? If you want me to obey one of your laws, how can you prevent me from violating it? A law without enforcement capabilities is a useless law. More of a "suggestion" really.

Natural law.

Which is a "physical" law - Equal and opposite reaction.

Don't threaten to hurt me or my family, or I'll turn your head into a canoe.

[Zippyjuan]

Natural law.

Which is a "physical" law - Equal and opposite reaction.

Don't threaten to hurt me or my family, or I'll turn your head into a canoe.

That's nice. But I have one of these- can you still enforce your laws?

[tod evans]

These systemic problems in society can't be fixed by government because they are caused by government. You can't remove the law though without removing the government otherwise there will be tyranny.

Well yeah....

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

So all laws come from God and therefore must all be just and fair since none were created by man. Or are they created by the Devil? What is their true source?

(I disagree- all laws aside from laws of physics are created by man).

So if a group of men suddenly declared murder as alright, then you'd be okay with that?

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

That's nice. But I have one of these- can you still enforce your laws?

Yes. I have one too.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

How does one encourage compliance with laws? If you want me to obey one of your laws, how can you prevent me from violating it?

If you try to kill me, then I can pull a gun and try to stop you. Law of self defense. All animals have a built-in survival instinct.

[tod evans]

How does one encourage compliance with laws? If you want me to obey one of your laws, how can you prevent me from violating it? A law without enforcement capabilities is a useless law. More of a "suggestion" really.

When a community passes and enforces its own laws everything is grand...

When Fed-Gov wants to pass and enforce laws remotely everything is askew...Same for many states....

Laws and law enforcement must revert to local, directly influenced by the citizens, endeavors....And some, many even, will run afoul of this feel good everybody is equal BS that we have now....

Out here in the Ozarks we have very little in common with those in Ca., why should we try to enforce our laws and beliefs on the libs? Or why should they try to enforce theirs on us?

And this isn't even taking into account the city/country disparity...

[Zippyjuan]

When a community passes and enforces its own laws everything is grand...

When Fed-Gov wants to pass and enforce laws remotely everything is askew...Same for many states....

Laws and law enforcement must revert to local, directly influenced by the citizens, endeavors....And some, many even, will run afoul of this feel good everybody is equal BS that we have now....

Out here in the Ozarks we have very little in common with those in Ca., why should we try to enforce our laws and beliefs on the libs? Or why should they try to enforce theirs on us?

And this isn't even taking into account the city/country disparity...

Isn't that government?

should we try to enforce our laws and beliefs on the libs? Or why should they try to enforce theirs on us?

Even in a community there are those who do not agree with the laws and beliefs. Should even that community be able to pass and enforce laws? Or should everything be lawless?

[nikcers]

Isn't that government?


Even in a community there are those who do not agree with the laws and beliefs. Should even that community be able to pass and enforce laws? Or should everything be lawless?

I don't think putting Kalief Browder in jail for years without trial is lawful so I just would have to disagree on what lawless means.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Or should everything be lawless?

"Everything?" A little hyperbolic, wouldn't you say?

...lawless?

Another misnomer. Rescinding statutes does not make law disappear.

[tod evans]

Isn't that government?

Yup.

Albeit small enough every resident affected could affect the government.

Even in a community there are those who do not agree with the laws and beliefs. Should even that community be able to pass and enforce laws? Or should everything be lawless?

Of course the community should be able to pass and institute laws, I addressed that very plainly;

Laws and law enforcement must revert to local, directly influenced by the citizens, endeavors....And some, many even, will run afoul of this feel good everybody is equal BS that we have now....

[devil21]

One problem I observe is that many people don't even bother to separate the two words "law" and "order." People put them together, as if they're inseparable. I don't hear people digging deep enough to discuss the differences. Most of today's new legislation and regulation is about order, not about law.

Laws occur naturally; Law has been around for eons. Do not murder. Do not steal. Man doesn't invent laws. Law precedes man. You don't need people who think they are so smart as to declare eureka, and then pretend they came up with something the rest of us did not know about.

Order code that has nothing to do with law:

consensual drug use and purchasing
smoking in a restaurant
occupational licensing
home schooling regs
Obama "Care"
minimum wage
seatbelt & helmet code
police roadblocks
marriage
gambling
gun statutes
rent stabilization/control
eminent domain
paid work family leave
blue "laws"
happy hour legislation
assisted suicide
firework selling restrictions
asset forfeiture
campaign contribution statutes
cable TV regulation
raw milk selling
trans-fat food bans
Etc, etc, etc, etc

All are corporate regulations, not laws, and most are by consent since they involve various corporate contracts. And most, if not all, are simply to criminalize behavior that threatens certain corporate monopolies and/or their control of industries for social engineering purposes.