FEE: "Choose: Diversity or the Welfare State," by Jeffrey Tucker

[Superfluous Man]

I’m guessing you have heard something like the following:

“The US can’t admit people from alien cultures with different religions and languages, because that will flood our democracy with dependents who will balloon the welfare state. This harms freedom. We must have a common culture that embraces limited government. Otherwise we’ll get big government, verging on socialism.”

This is actually a fairly testable proposition. Incredibly, without exception, every study finds the exact opposite to be true. It turns out that homogenous populations tend to create and sustain large welfare states.

The more diverse the population, the less welfare states tend to take hold and stabilize as a permanent part of the political culture.

https://fee.org/articles/choose-dive...welfare-state/

[euphemia]

That makes sense.

[Zippyjuan]

[Jamesiv1]

Anybody that thinks its wrong to fractionalize racials:

1. is a cuck
2. is no lover of liberty
3. can get the damn hell out

[Ron Paul in 2008]

DIverse societies don't have welfare states because they are too poor to support them.

I do believe that non-Europeans are a threat to democracy.

[NewRightLibertarian]

Tucker really does earn his Koch money producing this sort of drivel. What a weak pathetic man, allowing himself to be used like a 2-dollar whore to write this asinine crap.

[Zippyjuan]

DIverse societies don't have welfare states because they are too poor to support them.

I do believe that non-Europeans are a threat to democracy.

Aren't European states among the most socialist? (being poor didn't stop China or Russia)

[Ron Paul in 2008]

Aren't European states among the most socialist? (being poor didn't stop China or Russia)

Yes. You're right.

[Swordsmyth]

Correlation does not equal causation.
We should not have a welfare state, and we should not flood ourselves with statist, diseased, criminal, foreigners.

[Superfluous Man]

I do believe that non-Europeans are a threat to democracy.

So you're pro-democracy?

[helmuth_hubener]

Lame.

He's not even trying.

And yet, I'm pretty sure his heart is in it! Certainly erowe/Superfluous Man's heart is. So what gives?

Could it be they know they are losing the debate and they have no arguments whatsoever?

Ding, Ding, Ding!

[helmuth_hubener]

"We Are Coming To End Your Welfare States!"

[TheCount]

https://fee.org/articles/choose-dive...welfare-state/

Very interesting concept. My guess would be that this arises from the willingness to support government welfare for one's own tribe, but not for others'. This tendency can be seen in the political beliefs of many supporters of populist nationalist movements, such as Trump's.

[r3volution 3.0]

the willingness to support government welfare for one's own tribe, but not for others'.

That's certainly what's driving the anti-immigrant hysteria in the West today (to the extent it has anything to do with welfare).

[TheCount]

That's certainly what's driving the anti-immigrant hysteria in the West today (to the extent it has anything to do with welfare).

I certainly think that it has something to do with welfare. Specifically, the thing that chafes this sort of people is not that the welfare system exists, but that there are unworthy people receiving the welfare.


This welfare could come in the form of direct benefits from government to people, or in corporate welfare which in term provides (or is seen to provide) jobs to people, or whatever.

[juleswin]

Funny, I was watching this documentary when I came up on this thread.


Welfare English style

[dannno]

Funny, I was watching this documentary when I came up on this thread.


Welfare English style

lol, some British people on welfare dress better while laying in bed all day than I do when I go to work.

[dannno]

That makes sense.

The title or the substance?

The title makes sense, but the substance of the article does not.

[Ron Paul in 2008]

So you're pro-democracy?

Of course.

[Superfluous Man]

Of course.

That explains it.

[Ron Paul in 2008]

That explains it.

What other system is better than democracy?

[RestorationOfLiberty]

DIverse societies don't have welfare states because they are too poor to support them.

I do believe that non-Europeans are a threat to democracy.

They do not care, they would rather lose everything then be called "racist".

[merkelstan]

We do it even better. Migrants to Germany can claim they have children living in their home countries and get welfare to support them. Of course it's scammed hugely as well.

[helmuth_hubener]

What other system is better than democracy?

Look, erowe is too busy making breakfast for all the diseased Somalian refugees he's generously housing, so I'll answer.

Look, first off it depends how you define and think of democracy, right? If you define it juuust the right way, then you can do what L. Neil Smith did and have "hyper-democracy" equal "libertarian ideal political arrangement." Democracy has a great PR agent and is associated with such unmitigatedly warm, happy, wholesome feelings that maybe this is our best tactic. For branding.

Nah. Forget Democracy. Democracy is junk. Democracy = mob rule. Lousy idea. Just how catastrophic will depend upon what class of mob you have. In Anglo countries, we had a pretty good mob during our democratic period, so it was almost halfway sane and did not leave the countries in ruin. Most other places, it destroyed and was totally insane. Take, for example: Revolutionary France. Take also: Rhodesia cum Zimbabwe.

I can think of several better systems. Feudalism, for instance, was awesome and would be 1,000 times better. Monarchy, also, is a highly successful, free, and competitive framework. Feudalism even more-so, though. Other off-the-beaten-path options include kritarchy, patriarchy (Roman-style), and all the speculative libertarian visions: anarcho-capitalism, voluntary cities, neocameralism, propriety states, and other decentralized or patchwork-style polity arrangements.

Democracy, while it has great branding for now and a very favorable customer impression for now, is on the way out. It will eventually be associated with and incurably tarnished by all it's horrific crimes and disastrous failures. The truth will out. Ditch it now, or go down with it.

[Superfluous Man]

What other system is better than democracy?

Freedom is better.

So is monarchy.