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  1. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    there's a security/liberty choice going on here. Patriot Act and TARP thinking will not get us closer to Kahless' "libertarian like" society. Well, for myself and my children, I don't want a libertarian like society of white Europeans. I want actual liberty.

    Anti-immigrationists are asking me to pay for the government to build a wall around my property that I don't want. Well they need to GET OFF MY LAWN AND OUT OF MY BUSINESS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Yeah but lots of people don't even have fences, and they do perfectly fine without them. They never have anyone crawl into their window or beat down their door, or if they do they pull out their gun and hold their ground.
    And lots of people without fences have problem neighbors, some of them end up with broken ribs.
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    If we had reasonable border controls we wouldn't need police-state measures to deal with illegals.
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  5. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    If we had reasonable border controls we wouldn't need police-state measures to deal with illegals.
    Your neighbors are helping them in and giving them jobs, security starts with every citizen.

  6. #95
    Most Americans will settle for a bio-metric wall and lip service to their concerns.

    Good fences make for good neighbors.

    Our government does not practice this when it comes to messing with the individual. I find no reason to believe that government will ever somehow correctly apply the "fences" wisdom on a larger scale from here on in.

    Human nature and power, ya know.
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  7. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    I consider you one of the best, and most logical, forum members on RPF- but I do not agree on using Big Gov as a solution for a problem created by Big Gov, which got us where we are today.

    Immigrants are NOT the problem- gov in every aspect of our lives is the problem. Freedom lovers should be working together to get gov out of education, medicine, business, and entitlements and a million other parts of everyday life.
    And the same in return brother, we have been reading each other's thoughts for over ten years now, and I almost always find myself in solidarity with yours.

    We're just at an imapsse on this.

    Like I said, I'm not sure any solution is ideal, or reasonably achievable, given the current state of affairs.

    The founders were very fond of the Swiss system, I have spent time there and am fond of it as well, by almost any metric out there, it is the most free and best country in the world to live in.

    And they severely limit and restrict immigration.



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    I'm not afraid of getting gang-raped, and I'm not afraid for anybody. As far as I'm concerned, except in situations where the woman or girl are ambushed out of the blue, I'm willing to bet women were confronted with the facts of their situation, and either arrogantly or stupidly ignored warnings and signs of what was surely to happen. Its a Man's world, baby - try as you might to be edgy and push your own limits.

    Once again, working tax-free for an employer who doesn't like blacks or Mexicans pays. If y'all are losing yer jerbs and women folk to the brown man, well... :P That said, abolish the 14th Amendment, and everybody's happy.

  12. #100
    I love how erstwhile liberty folks go into "Please big government save me from gang rape" mode on this issue. It's identical to neocon War on Terror and War on Drugs propaganda.

    Safetytarianism has never resulted in more safety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    And the same in return brother, we have been reading each other's thoughts for over ten years now, and I almost always find myself in solidarity with yours.

    We're just at an imapsse on this.

    Like I said, I'm not sure any solution is ideal, or reasonably achievable, given the current state of affairs.

    The founders were very fond of the Swiss system, I have spent time there and am fond of it as well, by almost any metric out there, it is the most free and best country in the world to live in.

    And they severely limit and restrict immigration.
    Mexico and Latin America are anti-liberty cesspools. This shouldn't even be an argument, in wiser libertarian circles. Once the demographic shift occurs, the lights go out permanently here and we officially transform into the banana republic the pundits scoff at.

  15. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Mexico and Latin America are anti-liberty cesspools. This shouldn't even be an argument, in wiser libertarian circles. Once the demographic shift occurs, the lights go out permanently here and we officially transform into the banana republic the pundits scoff at.
    Yes, I agree...and I also agree that our meddling and tomfuckery for over 200 years in their affairs have gone a long way to causing that.

    Regardless, the fact remains, the lights will go out once that demographic Rubicon is reached.

    And of course, it's always about "race", when I could give a $#@! less about that in this regard.

    I don't want a bunch of Caucasian German socialists invading either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Yes, I agree...and I also agree that our meddling and tomfuckery for over 200 years in their affairs have gone a long way to causing that.

    Regardless, the fact remains, the lights will go out once that demographic Rubicon is reached.

    And of course, it's always about "race", when I could give a $#@! less about that in this regard.

    I don't want a bunch of Caucasian German socialists invading either.
    If Scandinavia was displaced into the mainland US, we would turn into Greater Minnesota. We have to keep the locusts out by any means necessary.



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  18. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    I love how erstwhile liberty folks go into "Please big government save me from gang rape" mode on this issue. It's identical to neocon War on Terror and War on Drugs propaganda.

    Safetytarianism has never resulted in more safety.
    Please don't jump off the cliff. Yet.

  19. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Yes, I agree...and I also agree that our meddling and tomfuckery for over 200 years in their affairs have gone a long way to causing that.

    Regardless, the fact remains, the lights will go out once that demographic Rubicon is reached.

    And of course, it's always about "race", when I could give a $#@! less about that in this regard.

    I don't want a bunch of Caucasian German socialists invading either.
    Far worse than Socialism is coming to our future brought and sponsored by the Democrats, GOP-E and libertarians support of open borders.

    It is so obvious that I believe the LP and many libertarians are really just scam artists using the label to promote that cause and undermine the threat of libertarian beliefs in our political system.

    The legitimate libertarians are either too afraid of being called racist or are unable to think for themselves while clinging to either some textbook definition or their favorite fraudulent LP hero or LP hero afraid of being labeled a racist.

    Just like the two main parties people without backbones afraid to speak the truth when it comes to their own beliefs.

  20. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Mexico and Latin America are anti-liberty cesspools. This shouldn't even be an argument, in wiser libertarian circles. Once the demographic shift occurs, the lights go out permanently here and we officially transform into the banana republic the pundits scoff at.
    We would like to maintain an intellectual purity and keep arguing about the number of angels dancing on the top of a pin ad infinitum. Being forced to perform a fellatio twice a day on somebody I do not really like does not bother me that much.

  21. #108


    The same people that push militarism in the media are the same pushing globalism and open borders. This includes pushing open borders in the Libertarian movement. Gary Johnson his VP and staff all closely tied to CFR, just one example.

  22. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Mexico and Latin America are anti-liberty cesspools. This shouldn't even be an argument, in wiser libertarian circles. Once the demographic shift occurs, the lights go out permanently here and we officially transform into the banana republic the pundits scoff at.
    Mexico is NOT an anti-liberty cesspool. Most who are familiar with Mexico consider it freer than the US.

    As for immigration, I agree with Judge Nap:

    Immigration and Freedom
    By Andrew P. Napolitano

    January 31, 2013

    As President Obama and Congress grapple for prominence in the debate over immigration, both have lost sight of the true nature of the issue at hand.

    The issue the politicians and bureaucrats would rather avoid is the natural law. The natural law is a term used to refer to human rights that all persons possess by virtue of our humanity. These rights encompass areas of human behavior where individuals are sovereign and thus need no permission from the government before making choices in those areas. Truly, in the Judeo-Christian tradition, only God is sovereign — meaning He is the source of His own power.

    Having received freedom from our Creator and, in America, thanks to the values embraced by most of the Founding Fathers, individuals are sovereign with respect to our natural rights. St. Thomas Aquinas taught that our sovereignty is a part of our human nature, and our humanity is a gift from God. In 1776, Thomas Jefferson himself recognized personal sovereignty in the Declaration of Independence when he wrote about Nature's God as the Creator and thus the originator of our inalienable human rights.

    The rights that Jefferson identified consist of the well-known litany of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. By the time his ideological soul mate James Madison was serving as the scrivener at the Constitutional Convention in 1787, the list of natural rights had been expanded to include those now encompassed by the Bill of Rights. Yet again, the authors of the Constitution and its first 10 amendments recognized that the rights being insulated from government interference had their origin in a source other than the government.

    This view of the natural law is sweet to the heart and pleasing to the ear when politicians praise it at patriotic events, but it is also a bane to them when it restrains their exercise of the coercive powers of the government. Thus, since the freedom of speech, the development of personality, the right to worship or not to worship, the right to use technologically contemporary means for self-defense, the right to be left alone, and the right to own and use property all stem from our humanity, the government simply is without authority to regulate human behavior in these areas, no matter what powers it purports to give to itself and no matter what crises may occur. Among the rights in this category is the freedom of movement, which today is called the right to travel.

    The right to travel is an individual personal human right, long recognized under the natural law as immune from governmental interference. Of course, governments have been interfering with this right for millennia. The Romans restricted the travel of Jews; Parliament restricted the travel of serfs; Congress restricted the travel of slaves; and starting in the late 19th century, the federal government has restricted the travel of non-Americans who want to come here and even the travel of those already here. All of these abominable restrictions of the right to travel are based not on any culpability of individuals, but rather on membership in the groups to which persons have belonged from birth.

    The initial reasons for these immigration restrictions involved the different appearance and culture of those seeking to come here and the nativism of those running the government here. Somehow, the people who ran the government believed that they who were born here were superior persons and more worthy of American-style freedoms than those who sought to come here. This extols nativism.

    Nativism is the arch-enemy of the freedom to travel, as its adherents believe they can use the coercive power of the government to impair the freedom of travel of persons who are unwanted not because of personal behavior, but solely on the basis of where they were born. Nativism teaches that we lack natural rights and enjoy only those rights the government permits us to exercise.

    Yet, the freedom to travel is a fundamental natural right. This is not a novel view. In addition to Aquinas and Jefferson, it has been embraced by St. Augustine, John Locke, Thomas Paine, Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Pope John Paul II and Justice Clarence Thomas. Our fundamental human rights are not conditioned or even conditionable on the laws or traditions of the place where our mothers were physically located when we were born. They are not attenuated because our mothers were not in the United States at the moment of our births. Stated differently, we all possess natural rights, no more and no less than any others. All humans have the full panoply of freedom of choice in areas of personal behavior protected from governmental interference by the natural law, no matter where they were born.

    Americans are not possessed of more natural rights than non-Americans; rather, we enjoy more opportunities to exercise those rights because the government is theoretically restrained by the Constitution, which explicitly recognizes the natural law. That recognition is articulated in the Ninth Amendment, which declares that the enumeration of certain rights in the Constitution shall not be used by the government as an excuse to deny or disparage other unnamed and unnamable rights retained by the people.

    So, if I want to invite my cousins from Florence, Italy, to come here and live in my house and work on my farm in New Jersey, or if a multinational corporation wants the best engineers from India to work in its labs in Texas, or if my neighbor wants a friend of a friend from Mexico City to come here to work in his shop, we have the natural right to ask, they have the natural right to come here, and the government has no moral right to interfere with any of these freely made decisions.

    If the government can restrain the freedom to travel on the basis of an immutable characteristic of birth, there is no limit to the restraints it can impose.
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  23. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Mexico is NOT an anti-liberty cesspool. Most who are familiar with Mexico consider it freer than the US.

    As for immigration, I agree with Judge Nap:
    LOL at you and Judge Swamp.
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  24. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL at you and Judge Swamp.
    I am surprised by his position on immigration when you consider the problem Muslim immigration presents to his homosexual community.

    He does however interpret Trump's immigration ban somewhat correctly albeit he says temporary here.


  25. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    I am surprised by his position on immigration when you consider the problem Muslim immigration presents to his homosexual community.

    He does however interpret Trump's immigration ban somewhat correctly albeit he says temporary here.

    I didn't know Judge Swamp was a q u e e r, that makes my reasons to reject him complete.
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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

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  27. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I didn't know Judge Swamp was a q u e e r, that makes my reasons to reject him complete.
    Lol. You better reject Timosman too. He can't stop himself posting his fellatio and sodomy fantasies the last few days.
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  28. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    If Scandinavia was displaced into the mainland US, we would turn into Greater Minnesota. We have to keep the locusts out by any means necessary.

    A lot of Minnesotans are reasonable.
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  29. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL at you and Judge Swamp.
    LOL- another Judge Nap is soooo wonderful when he supports Trump but when he does not supports my precious hate-topic, he's swamp.

    How about Ron Paul? Gonna call him names too?

    [QUOTE]How to Solve the Illegal Immigration Problem
    By Ron Paul

    Ron Paul Institute

    September 6, 2016

    Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump’s recent speech on immigration really missed the point. I understand Trump’s frustration over the US government’s inability to control the US borders and keep out those who would come to this country illegally. Trump was right that the media ignore legitimate questions we have on our immigration policy and he is right that special interests have a great interest in maintaining the status quo.

    However, when it comes to really solving the immigration problem he gets it all wrong. And instead of making us more free and prosperous, his solutions will accelerate our downward slide toward authoritarianism.

    First, let’s consider his idea of building a big wall between the US and Mexico. It is said that all one needs to get over an eight-foot fence is a nine-foot ladder. Or perhaps a shovel. So walls are never very good at keeping people out. But they are very good at keeping people in. Just ask the East Germans. The communist government claimed in 1961 that it had to build a wall around the portion of Berlin it controlled to keep the population safe from the evil capitalist wreckers and saboteurs. It didn’t take long for the world to realize that the real threat to the East German leaders was that the people trapped in East Berlin would try to get out. We have all seen the horrific videos of East German civilians risking – and losing – their lives to escape that prison of razor wire and cinder block.

    Is this really what we want for our own future?

    What a wild conspiracy theory, some may claim. The wall would never be meant to keep us from leaving. Well, ask the IRS. Under a tax enforcement provision passed in 2015, the US government claimed the right to cancel any American citizen’s passport if Washington claims it is owed money.

    Trump also made E-Verify the center of his immigration speech. He said, “We will ensure that E-Verify is used to the fullest extent possible under existing law, and we will work with Congress to strengthen and expand its use across the country.”

    While preventing those here illegally from being able to gain employment may appeal to many who would like to protect American jobs, E-Verify is the worst possible solution. It is a police state non-solution, as it would require the rest of us legal American citizens to carry a biometric national ID card connected to a government database to prove that the government allows us to work. A false positive would result in financial disaster for millions of American families, as one would be forced to fight a faceless government bureaucracy to correct the mistake. Want to put TSA in charge of deciding if you are eligible to work?

    The battle against illegal immigration is a ploy to gain more control over our lives. We are supposed to be terrified of the hoards of Mexicans streaming into our country and thus grant the government new authority over the rest of us. But in fact, a Pew study found that between 2009 and 2014 there was a net loss of 140,000 Mexican immigrants from the United States. Yes, this is a government “solution” in search of a real problem.

    How to tackle the real immigration problem? Eliminate incentives for those who would come here to live off the rest of us, and make it easier and more rational for those who wish to come here legally to contribute to our economy. No walls, no government databases, no biometric national ID cards. But not a penny in welfare for immigrants. It’s really that simple.[/QUOTE]
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  30. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    How about Ron Paul? Gonna call him names too?
    @kahless, is Ron Paul really just a scam artist undermining the threat of libertarian beliefs in our political system?

    Is he a person without a backbone afraid to speak the truth when it comes to his own beliefs?

    Or is he just somebody woefully misguided who hasn't thought it through?

    Explain Ron Paul to me please.
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

  31. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    @kahless, is Ron Paul really just a scam artist undermining the threat of libertarian beliefs in our political system?

    Is he a person without a backbone afraid to speak the truth when it comes to his own beliefs?

    Or is he just somebody woefully misguided who hasn't thought it through?

    Explain Ron Paul to me please.
    I was not referring to all Libertarians just ones that worship at the altar of open borders like it is some sort of religion that supersedes everything else while denying the obvious fact it makes living in a libertarian like society absolutely impossible given the data.

    I supported Ron's 2008 platform on immigration and his earlier writings. I disagree with his later writings including the virtue signaling to the media article written while his son was competing against Trump, during the height of the Republican primary, with Trump under attack by the media over this very issue.

    In my opinion Ron Paul in particular moved further to the left on immigration than his son and it is damaging their brand. It is failed strategy that was obvious to everyone during the 2016 race and damaged Rand's chances in the primary. This despite Rand having a pretty solid position on immigration albeit weaker than Trump in some areas.

    Ron has been more vocal on this since Trump took office which in my opinion was to appeal to the libertarian left since I assume the core of his audience has probably moved on from the Paul's to Trump and other associated personalities. Perhaps a strategic business decision to remain relevant. Regardless whether they think that was a good idea politically it is damaging their brand and could again deny any chance of Rand winning the nomination.

    Ron has done a good job strategically rebranding his positions over the years on immigration which has eliminated all false accusations of racism by the left wing media but it has been a complete disaster for the Pauls politically. The rebranding will certainly be less of an obstacle when Rand runs again. However any pandering to the media will be forgotten if Rand is a threat and he will be falsely called out as a racist for his beliefs on private property rights - CRA. So whats the point.
    Last edited by kahless; 02-04-2018 at 06:20 PM.

  32. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    I was not referring to all Libertarians just ones that worship at the altar of open borders like it is some sort of religion that supersedes everything else while denying the obvious fact it makes living in a libertarian like society absolutely impossible given the data.

    I supported Ron's 2008 platform on immigration and his earlier writings. I disagree with his later writings including the virtue signaling to the media article written while his son was competing against Trump, during the height of the Republican primary, with Trump under attack by the media over this very issue.

    In my opinion Ron Paul in particular moved further to the left on immigration than his son and it is damaging their brand. It is failed strategy that was obvious to everyone during the 2016 race and damaged Rand's chances in the primary. This despite Rand having a pretty solid position on immigration albeit weaker than Trump in some areas.

    Ron has been more vocal on this since Trump took office which in my opinion was to appeal to the libertarian left since I assume the core of his audience has probably moved on from the Paul's to Trump and other associated personalities. Perhaps a strategic business decision to remain relevant. Regardless whether they think that was a good idea politically it is damaging their brand and could again deny any chance of Rand winning the nomination.

    Ron has done a good job strategically rebranding his positions over the years on immigration which has eliminated all false accusations of racism by the left wing media but it has been a complete disaster for the Pauls politically. The rebranding will certainly be less of an obstacle when Rand runs again. However any pandering to the media will be forgotten if Rand is a threat and he will be falsely called out as a racist for his beliefs on private property rights - CRA. So whats the point.
    ^^^THIS^^^

    Ron used to be strong on border/immigration enforcement, @Ender and the open borders gang just ignore that, on this subject Ron is guilty of ideological and pragmatic errors.
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  33. #119
    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    @kahless, is Ron Paul really just a scam artist undermining the threat of libertarian beliefs in our political system?

    Is he a person without a backbone afraid to speak the truth when it comes to his own beliefs?

    Or is he just somebody woefully misguided who hasn't thought it through?

    Explain Ron Paul to me please.
    Assume Yes on all questions for a second. What is your goal here anyway? Why don't you take your **** and play with it elsewhere?

  34. #120
    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    @kahless, is Ron Paul really just a scam artist undermining the threat of libertarian beliefs in our political system?

    Is he a person without a backbone afraid to speak the truth when it comes to his own beliefs?

    Or is he just somebody woefully misguided who hasn't thought it through?

    Explain Ron Paul to me please.
    Only someone who knows Ron personally could make an educated guess about the answers to your questions, Ron hasn't done anything that would clarify which of those is correct yet.
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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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