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    Man Reports Police Visitation After Posting Pictures of Morel Mushrooms on Facebook

    Darlington, MD— On May 11, a man named John Garrison posted a public photo on Facebook showing morel mushrooms he had gathered while foraging with his girlfriend Hope Deery, and wrote of his plans to “sautee them with brown sugar and cinnamon and see how that turns out.”
    Garrison went on to claim that his original Facebook post about morel mushrooms, which are a legal and sought-after delicacy, led to a visit to his home hours later from law enforcement apparently investigating possible use of psychedelic mushrooms commonly referred to as “magic mushrooms.”
    Photography is Not a Crime reported that police appeared at his house less than 24 hours later, questioning Garrison and Deery about why they were “eating mushrooms and posting about it online.”

    “We had just finished eating the Morels we found today and heard a knock on the door. A police officer and an RA were standing outside. We let them in and as soon as the police officer walked in he asked us why we were eating mushrooms and posting about it online. He thought he was on the biggest bust of his career thinking we were having a magic mushroom party before I explained to him that Morels are a native choice edible mushroom similar to truffles,” Garrison wrote in an additional Facebook post.
    The officer allegedly refused to believe that the couple ingested legal mushrooms. Garrison, in an effort to prove that they were simply morel mushrooms, said that he retrieved a piece of the mushroom from the trash— but the officer still refused to believe they hadn’t broken the law until a second officer arrived on the scene and confirmed it was a legal mushroom. Before the officers left, Garrison said his ID was processed.
    “He wasn’t convinced. So I rummaged through the trash to find a peice of a Morel so that he would have evidence that we weren’t taking psychedelic mushrooms. I showed him and he still wasn’t convinced that they weren’t magic mushrooms, Which was shocking to me because morels look nothing like a psychedelic psilocybin mushrooms and I figured a police officer would know what illegal drugs looked like. A second police officer showed up and I showed her the Morel and she immediately knew it was a Morel which was a relief. They processed our ID’s and eventually left. What an experience,” Garrison wrote.
    http://truthinmedia.com/maryland-man-police-pictures-morel-mushrooms/

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    Qualified immunity - it stifles any recourse that John Garrison might have for the police harassment he's received.

    Get rid of the qualified immunity and this nonsense goes away.

    Why is it necessary for police, people of such high moral standard, to have a veil of immunity from their actions? After all, police are to be held at a higher standard than regular folk, right? Police go through a special selection process, and are specially trained. Police are expected know and protect the rights of citizens - its one of their key roles - why is it necessary to shield them from this key role?

    Would you fly on an airline that was immune to any safety infraction? How might such an immunity influence an airline's safety record? What's more, what if that immunity was coupled with a monopoly? No free citizen should ever tolerate qualified immunity.

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    What the $#@! is an RA?

    And the cop is partly right: why the $#@! are you posting your life on FedBook, while living in a police state?

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    They processed our ID’s and eventually left
    Ha! You're in the system now, hippies.

    Expect more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    What the $#@! is an RA?

    And the cop is partly right: why the $#@! are you posting your life on FedBook, while living in a police state?
    yeah, right?... why not just eat yer f'ing mushrooms in private?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brushfire View Post
    After all, police are to be held at a higher standard than regular folk, right? Police go through a special selection process, and are specially trained. Police are expected know and protect the rights of citizens - its one of their key roles - why is it necessary to shield them from this key role?
    Do you really believe this???

    You've been around here for seven years now, and you haven't gotten confirmation, ad nauseum, that police are held to a LOWER standard than regular folk - when they are held to any standard at all?

    Have you ever talked to police? As in, have you had their attention directed to you? How could you possibly have the impression that police are expected to know and protect citizens' rights? If police have any training in rights at all, it is presented as a list of things that have a potential to result in their bust not ending up in a conviction, and nothing more. They're not rights of citizens, they're hurdles for police.

    I would hope that everyone here would know at this point - not suspect, but KNOW - that qualified immunity is a key feature of police and is completely in line with their job as it was originally created.

    They were created initially to push people around, violate their rights, make their lives miserable, and punish them on behalf of the state for violation of its edicts. That is their job. If you look you can find examples of them doing this that go back to the 1840s when the job was first delineated in its modern form.

    Qualified immunity was not defined originally - it is a legal doctrine that came about when courts had to rule on whether the things THEY WERE ALREADY DOING became a subject of lawsuits.

    I mean, for $#@!'s sake, POLICE IN AMERICA POPULARIZED WATERBOARDING AS AN INTERROGATION TECHNIQUE AT THE START OF THE 20th CENTURY.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterb...fore_the_1940s

    What more will it take to convince people here - HERE of all places - that there is no $#@!ing baby in this bathwater?
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    In case anyone doesn't connect the dots - Miranda V Arizona was in 1966.
    That means modern policing existed for 120 years before anyone thought it might be a good idea to inform people being arrested that they supposedly have rights at all.
    ETA that was 35 years AFTER it became widely known they were TORTURING SUSPECTS.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakey1 View Post
    yeah, right?... why not just eat yer f'ing mushrooms in private?
    In a free society you'd have no repercussions on posting your whole damn life for the world to see on the intertubes.

    Stupid, but you'd generally be OK, outside of highwaymen, pervs and creeps of various sorts.

    But we do not live in a free society.

    We live in, by any credible and objective metric, a full blown police state.

    Posting your private life, however innocent, but especially something that could be seen the "wrong way" by authority, under such conditions is sheer, blatant and utter stupidity.



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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    Do you really believe this???

    You've been around here for seven years now, and you haven't gotten confirmation, ad nauseum, that police are held to a LOWER standard than regular folk - when they are held to any standard at all?

    What more will it take to convince people here - HERE of all places - that there is no $#@!ing baby in this bathwater?
    What an unfortunate remark. You're clearly overlooking my post - the context in its entirety - and your attack is uncalled for... Perhaps you have been triggered? It happens.

    The statement is not what I believe, but rather what our society believes. I think you agree - we do hear it all the time as justification for subservience, off duty carry, pensions, etc... The rest of your remark just affirms what I've already stated, so I'll not rehash that.

    Gulag Chief:
    "Article 58-1a, twenty five years... What did you get it for?"
    Gulag Prisoner: "For nothing at all."
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    “We had just finished eating the Morels we found today and heard a knock on the door. A police officer and an RA were standing outside. We let them in and...
    Ok, I stopped there. They deserve whatever they get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brushfire View Post
    What an unfortunate remark. You're clearly overlooking my post - the context in its entirety - and your attack is uncalled for... Perhaps you have been triggered? It happens.
    Nobody has attacked anyone... yet. I attacked a position you seemed to hold and assumed else would take it in also.
    I started the post by asking questions. I am asking for clarification.
    Note: I am still asking for clarification. Like right now. I'm not throwing some alternate context on this and I'm not using nuance. I'm asking point blank: please clarify.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    I figured a police officer would know what illegal drugs looked like
    Why would he think that? They can't tell doughnut glaze (doughnut glaze, ffs) from meth.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...doughnut+glaze
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    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
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    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    Start with "three felonies things some random cop says are crimes that actually are not a day."

    Add an equal measure of qualified immunity / "get out of jail free" and a liberal dash of officer safety / "I feared for my life."

    Sprinkle in a soupçon of "he moved (or spoke or looked at me) the wrong way."

    Mix well, garnish with Circular Force Continuum, and serve ...

    A second police officer showed up and I showed her the Morel and she immediately knew it was a Morel which was a relief. They processed our ID’s and eventually left. What an experience,” Garrison wrote.
    John Garrison and his girlfriend should be trembling at just how close they came to having an "experience" much worse than merely having their IDs processed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    What the $#@! is an RA?
    Resident Assistant for an academic dormitory. That is who that lady at Yale probably should have contacted before contacting the police, they usually live on the premises, but it is possible they were not available for some reason.

    My RA in college was a really cool dude, kinda reminds me of Killer Mike. Everybody in our hall chipped in $5 at the end of the year to buy him a "Playstation" as a gift but we actually bought him a bong.
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    The Banana gets +rep for use of soupçon AND Circular Force Continuum

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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    Nobody has attacked anyone... yet.
    ...
    I started the post by asking questions. I am asking for clarification.
    Yes - that was not lost on me. The triple question mark was sufficient indication of this.

    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    I attacked a position you seemed to hold and assumed else would take it in also.

    You've been around here for seven years now, and you haven't gotten confirmation, ad nauseum, that police are held to a LOWER standard than regular folk - when they are held to any standard at all?
    Sorry, thanks for clarifying - you were using the royal "you've / you" - anticipating my response to your first question.

    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    I am still asking for clarification. Like right now. I'm not throwing some alternate context on this and I'm not using nuance. I'm asking point blank: please clarify.

    I cant get much clearer - The statement, relative to standards is not what I believe, but rather what our society believes.

    Regardless, I believe if the police could be sued, and held personally responsible for their actions, the standard to which they were held at would be the same as you or I. Just as with my airline analogy, they should be accountable, and should not be given a veil of legal immunity.


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    Gulag Prisoner: "For nothing at all."
    Gulag Chief: "You're lying... The sentence for nothing at all is 10 years"





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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    What the $#@! is an RA?

    And the cop is partly right: why the $#@! are you posting your life on FedBook, while living in a police state?
    Yeah, the cop was actually a minister of freedom, warning of the pitfalls of security states.

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    RA is probably a Ride Along guest in the police car. This seems to encourage the popo to show off how wonderful they are. NOT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    What the $#@! is an RA?

    And the cop is partly right: why the $#@! are you posting your life on FedBook, while living in a police state?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Start with "three felonies things some random cop says are crimes that actually are not a day."

    Add an equal measure of qualified immunity / "get out of jail free" and a liberal dash of officer safety / "I feared for my life."

    Sprinkle in a soupçon of "he moved (or spoke or looked at me) the wrong way."

    Mix well, garnish with Circular Force Continuum, and serve ...



    John Garrison and his girlfriend should be trembling at just how close they came to having an "experience" much worse than merely having their IDs processed.

    yep... certainly coulda easily been way worse.

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    Snitches get stitches.
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    which one of yall fuckers wrote the "ron paul" racist news letters
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    Quote Originally Posted by brushfire View Post
    Regardless, I believe if the police could be sued, and held personally responsible for their actions, the standard to which they were held at would be the same as you or I. Just as with my airline analogy, they should be accountable, and should not be given a veil of legal immunity.
    Oh I get that... and what I'm trying to point out is, if we're changing the fundamental nature of police to something other than what the original intent was, we end up with something other than police.

    If law enforcers are held to the same standards as the rest of us in their interaction with others - forget a higher standard for a second and let's just think about an equal standard - then there is absolutely no reason why it can't be a volunteer force of average Joes.

    Take away their blessing to commit random acts of violence and you've totally abolished the current idea of the constabulary. I see that as a good thing and I don't see a point in not being up front about that with whomever is genuinely interested in solving these problems.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    Take away their blessing to commit random acts of violence and you've totally abolished the current idea of the constabulary. I see that as a good thing and I don't see a point in not being up front about that with whomever is genuinely interested in solving these problems.
    For sure, we're on the same page. I guess the only discrepancy is tact.

    Dont get me wrong, whatever works - but I find that I'm not as effective in fighting the conditioning.

    ...something about convincing someone they've been fooled.


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    "Article 58-1a, twenty five years... What did you get it for?"
    Gulag Prisoner: "For nothing at all."
    Gulag Chief: "You're lying... The sentence for nothing at all is 10 years"



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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Start with "three felonies things some random cop says are crimes that actually are not a day."

    Add an equal measure of qualified immunity / "get out of jail free" and a liberal dash of officer safety / "I feared for my life."

    Sprinkle in a soupçon of "he moved (or spoke or looked at me) the wrong way."

    Mix well, garnish with Circular Force Continuum, and serve ...



    John Garrison and his girlfriend should be trembling at just how close they came to having an "experience" much worse than merely having their IDs processed.
    No doubt, Department Policy was followed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    The Banana gets +rep for use of soupçon AND Circular Force Continuum
    I'm familiar with CFC, but what is soupçon?
    Quote Originally Posted by BuddyRey View Post
    Do you think it's a coincidence that the most cherished standard of the Ron Paul campaign was a sign highlighting the word "love" inside the word "revolution"? A revolution not based on love is a revolution doomed to failure. So, at the risk of sounding corny, I just wanted to let you know that, wherever you stand on any of these hot-button issues, and even if we might have exchanged bitter words or harsh sentiments in the past, I love each and every one of you - no exceptions!

    "When goods do not cross borders, soldiers will." Frederic Bastiat

    Peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Rogue View Post
    I'm familiar with CFC, but what is soupçon?
    I had to look it up.

    soup·çon
    so͞opˈsoN/Submit
    noun
    a very small quantity of something.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    I had to look it up.

    soup·çon
    so͞opˈsoN/Submit
    noun
    a very small quantity of something.
    Edit
    I looked it up too, a small amount of suspicion.

    Culinary enthusiasts may think "soupçon" originated with a dash of garlic in the coq au vin or a splash of vanilla in the crème anglaise, but the etymology of the word has more to do with inklings and suspicions than with food. Sometime in the 18th century, English speakers borrowed "soupçon" from the French, who were using the word to mean "drop," "touch," or "suspicion." The Old French form of the word was "sospeçon," which in turn comes from the Latin forms suspection- and suspectio. Etymologists have further traced the word's Latin ancestry to the verb suspicere, meaning "to suspect." "Suspicere," as you might expect, is also the source of the English words "suspect" and "suspicion."
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/soup%C3%A7on
    Last edited by Henry Rogue; 05-16-2018 at 09:21 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by BuddyRey View Post
    Do you think it's a coincidence that the most cherished standard of the Ron Paul campaign was a sign highlighting the word "love" inside the word "revolution"? A revolution not based on love is a revolution doomed to failure. So, at the risk of sounding corny, I just wanted to let you know that, wherever you stand on any of these hot-button issues, and even if we might have exchanged bitter words or harsh sentiments in the past, I love each and every one of you - no exceptions!

    "When goods do not cross borders, soldiers will." Frederic Bastiat

    Peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Ha! You're in the system now, hippies.

    Expect more.
    I have a nephew that posts such ,,and Asparagus wrapped in bacon on a Grill..

    but it's strictly to make the unenlightened jealous.


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  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Rogue View Post
    Edit
    I looked it up too, a small amount of suspicion.
    I saw that but decided to go with the definition in big letters.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    I saw that but decided to go with the definition in big letters.
    Bigger is Better.... sometimes.
    Quote Originally Posted by BuddyRey View Post
    Do you think it's a coincidence that the most cherished standard of the Ron Paul campaign was a sign highlighting the word "love" inside the word "revolution"? A revolution not based on love is a revolution doomed to failure. So, at the risk of sounding corny, I just wanted to let you know that, wherever you stand on any of these hot-button issues, and even if we might have exchanged bitter words or harsh sentiments in the past, I love each and every one of you - no exceptions!

    "When goods do not cross borders, soldiers will." Frederic Bastiat

    Peace.

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