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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    You cannot.

    Socialist and intrusive government regulations prohibit it.

    Nor can you use your own home to shelter homeless in cold weather, or you will find "authorities" on you door, threatening to condemn and take your home.

    A great deal of what the problem is in health care and homelessness can be laid at the feet of intrusive and all powerful government.
    Well, he can start by doing what the hospitals are doing right now and just add in more free shyte.



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    I think the only way the hospital will recover from this is to march the administrators and the board out the door, barefoot, and in hospital gowns with their pink slips.
    and on video
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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    Well, it is a hospital, not a homeless shelter or a hotel. I'm sorry that sounds mean, but the hospital discharges patients when they are no longer sick. .
    I haven't been in a hospital for almost 20 years but when I left, the doctor apologized because he thought I was still sick enough to justify another day or two but the insurance co disagreed. He gave me his personal cell number - that's how worried he was.

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    That is because in a more capitalist system people like her without money would never be able to step inside a hospital like that in the first place.
    Capitalism isn't the problem.

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Capitalism isn't the problem.
    Capitalism a problem? as far as I am concerned, I see no problem. My post is addressing the people who think someone was wronged in this whole story, people so militant that they are going as far as calling for people to be fired.

    Also not saying anyone should get an award either. I would never chastise any business/business owner for not going above and beyond the call of duty.

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Capitalism a problem? as far as I am concerned, I see no problem. My post is addressing the people who think someone was wronged in this whole story, people so militant that they are going as far as calling for people to be fired.

    Also not saying anyone should get an award either. I would never chastise any business/business owner for not going above and beyond the call of duty.
    You think it would be beyond the call of duty to make sure the woman was dressed in clothes and shoes before being sent out the door? esp. during winter? You think it was all good to kick her out wearing only a hospital gown?

  9. #37
    The New York Times first began writing about the issues in the 1870s, when private hospitals were sending patients to the city’s public hospital, according to a 2011 report in the American Journal of Public Health
    Not sure why this is a problem. This is why public hospitals exist, isn't it?

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    You think it would be beyond the call of duty to make sure the woman was dressed in clothes and shoes before being sent out the door? esp. during winter? You think it was all good to kick her out wearing only a hospital gown?
    The original tweet was upset because she was discharged because she didn't have insurance, which isn't accurate. Obviously she should have been dressed, but for all we know she threw a tantrum and discharged herself.

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    The original tweet was upset because she was discharged because she didn't have insurance, which isn't accurate. Obviously she should have been dressed, but for all we know she threw a tantrum and discharged herself.
    no... that was not the 'original' tweet. See above.

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    You think it would be beyond the call of duty to make sure the woman was dressed in clothes and shoes before being sent out the door? esp. during winter? You think it was all good to kick her out wearing only a hospital gown?
    I see blood on her forehead which could be a sign of some struggle. Maybe they tried and failed to dress her up. Maybe they were understaffed and couldn't babysit her until they find proper placement for her. Like I said, I am not giving anyone a medal for what happened. Btw, the family members who brought her in and/or neglected her should take the brunt of the blame for this story.



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    no... that was not the 'original' tweet. See above.
    Oops! Got it!

    The guy filming is a psychotherapist - why didn't he take her in?

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Oops! Got it!

    The guy filming is a psychotherapist - why didn't he take her in?
    I found a little more in these 2 articles

    'The man who recorded the video called 911, and says medics ended up taking the patient back to the same hospital. Now a review is underway that could lead to personnel action against the hospital employees involved.'

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/health/b...112-story.html

    Baraka said that he stopped videotaping at some point to call 911 and an ambulance crew came and took the woman back into the hospital. He said he waited for two hours to make sure they didn’t bring her back out to the bus stop. He said he heard her say “thank you” as she was led away.

    Baraka has since spoken with the woman’s mother, who contacted him after seeing the video. During the three-hour discussion, she told him her daughter was 22 years old. The woman is now safe with family and being well taken care of, he said.

    The family told Baraka that the hospital had put the woman in a cab to a homeless shelter and that was where the mother found her. He declined to describe her mental or medical conditions or why her family didn’t know where she was.

    “She said her daughter had been missing,” he said. “She did some momma bear stuff to find her after she saw the video.”

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/health/b...ml#nt=inbody-1

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    I think the problem is right there in that first sentence.

    Not ,, Ease suffering.
    Not, cure the sick, and injured
    Not, give rest to the dying

    Not care..

    Run the business.
    Somebody has to or the hospital closes for lack of funds.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Nice of you to prove it.

    I really don't care what kind of facility it was..

    You don't force a half naked person out into the cold. Period.

    It is offensive,, it is inhuman. Period..

    Get her a coat,, or get her to a shelter.. There are many.
    Give her a blanket and a corner..

    Decent human beings do not treat other human beings like this..
    some do,,but not decent humans.
    Absolutely true.

    Why was it done at night by the way?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  18. #45
    Where was this loving mother before?

    It wouldn't surprise me if the loving mother had previously thrown her out on the street.

    Who's responsibility is it to take care of a 22 year old?

    Must the mother or any other family member take this woman in and care for her?


    Why didn't this lady call her mother or make arraignments to go to her mothers from the hospital?

    What should have been the proper intervention? Should this woman's alleged needs be put ahead of people that have been waiting months or years for subsidized housing? Should this person get subsidized food, shelter, medical, transportation.........?

    Thinking that letting in more people from $#@!hole countries will not add to more of the same problem is insane.

    This lady has family and was on the street.

  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    You think it would be beyond the call of duty to make sure the woman was dressed in clothes and shoes before being sent out the door? esp. during winter? You think it was all good to kick her out wearing only a hospital gown?
    Hell, they let her keep the gown. That was "free" along with the thousands of dollars it cost to keep her hospitalized for the duration of her stay. That's just taken for granted these days. Nurses still gotta be paid. Medicines have to be bought. The cafeteria's gotta be stocked. But she'll never pay a penny of it. She can't. Someone else is gonna eat that cost. So, what more do people want? I mean seriously, folks, think about what the hospital has already done for her. No mention of gratitude anywhere in the news coverage, only, 'ermegerd, hErtlesS baStids!'

    And yep, it's cold up north. They could have kicked her out in the summertime and she'd still be stuck outside by winter.

    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    I found a little more in these 2 articles

    'The man who recorded the video called 911, and says medics ended up taking the patient back to the same hospital. Now a review is underway that could lead to personnel action against the hospital employees involved.'
    Free ambulance ride . . .

    The guy could have taken her to the homeless shelter himself but that would have cost gas money. It's free if the hospital does it.
    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 01-14-2018 at 07:46 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men

    "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato

    We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me

    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm
    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.

  20. #47
    No matter how it's portrayed this is the eviction of a freeloader.

    Good Samaritan laws have forced hospitals to take in every freeloader who is depressed or has the sniffles.

    The very best argument for government run and funded 'hospitals' is the affect that the freeloaders have on the paying patients.

    Playing games with 'insurance' won't fix this BS either, surely this fine woman had Obamacare of some sort...

  21. #48
    You know.....I have major guilt issues in my old age due to some really cold hearted $#@! I've done in the past. I'm talking stuff that makes me hope there isn't a God because the thought of having to answer for some of the things I have done is scary.

    But from a quick read, this woman suffers from some obvious mental disorder and had somehow wandered away from home and was missing. Found her way somehow to that hospital where I'm assuming she was treated somehow for something. Then they had some of their security guards drive her to a bus stop in the middle of town and left her there in a gown. There are behavioral health departments she could have been sent to for 72 hours while someone figured out who she was or at least find a homeless shelter to take her to. But $#@! that.....they dropped her off half naked t a bus stop in the middle of town.

    That's the appalling thing about this....that they had some security guards drop her off at a bus stop in the middle of the night in a gown in winter temperatures. A person who obviously has a mental disorder.

    If that isn't registering with people then you are one superficial SOB.

    Which brings me back to my opening statement. Because even in my hateful youth I wouldn't have left that woman had I seen her. Because regardless of any of our collective character...there are rules that apply to certain things and people. And justifying a human being suffering from a mental disorder that basically makes them a child in an adult's body being thrown away like unwanted trash? That's not being logical speaking only to the bottom number. It's not being "hard". It's quite honestly disgusting.
    "Self conquest is the greatest of all victories." - Plato



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  23. #49
    Any person can go out in the cold and find mentally ill homeless people. What will you do when you find one?

    Will your government or landlord allow you to bring unrelated people into your home?

    Do you assume liability for their health and well being once you invite them into your home?

    Once you get tired of them and they refuse to leave and you go thru the eviction process, what kind of compassion will the judge have on the poor person? Will the judge make sure the person has a place to go?
    Last edited by Schifference; 01-14-2018 at 07:28 AM.

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    I think the problem is right there in that first sentence.

    Not ,, Ease suffering.
    Not, cure the sick, and injured

    Not, give rest to the dying

    Not care..

    Run the business.
    Um. They did that? This would be more newsworthy if they had looked at her from the first assessment and said, 'hey, it doesn't seem you can pay. There's the door!'

    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    Any person can go out in the cold and find mentally ill homeless people. What will you do when you find one?
    A) Call someone else and make it their problem.
    B) Show some initiative.
    C) Whip out the camera phone.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men

    "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato

    We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me

    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm
    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.

  25. #51
    Next up an expose on overcrowding and or mistreatment of mentally ill people in public psychiatric facilities.

    In related fake news: Homeowner's rally in opposition to proposed group homeless shelter. Concerns of safety, drugs, and property values weigh heavily on homeowners.

  26. #52
    I think most shelters are run by private or charitable entities.

    Why don't cities, states, or our grand federal government have shelters? We are supposed to take in more people but cannot care for those already here.

    The city simply makes it illegal to be homeless. Cannot sleep here or stand over there.

  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Intoxiklown View Post
    You know.....I have major guilt issues in my old age due to some really cold hearted $#@! I've done in the past. I'm talking stuff that makes me hope there isn't a God because the thought of having to answer for some of the things I have done is scary.

    But from a quick read, this woman suffers from some obvious mental disorder and had somehow wandered away from home and was missing. Found her way somehow to that hospital where I'm assuming she was treated somehow for something. Then they had some of their security guards drive her to a bus stop in the middle of town and left her there in a gown. There are behavioral health departments she could have been sent to for 72 hours while someone figured out who she was or at least find a homeless shelter to take her to. But $#@! that.....they dropped her off half naked t a bus stop in the middle of town.

    That's the appalling thing about this....that they had some security guards drop her off at a bus stop in the middle of the night in a gown in winter temperatures. A person who obviously has a mental disorder.

    If that isn't registering with people then you are one superficial SOB.

    Which brings me back to my opening statement. Because even in my hateful youth I wouldn't have left that woman had I seen her. Because regardless of any of our collective character...there are rules that apply to certain things and people. And justifying a human being suffering from a mental disorder that basically makes them a child in an adult's body being thrown away like unwanted trash? That's not being logical speaking only to the bottom number. It's not being "hard". It's quite honestly disgusting.
    AMEN.

    In 1000% agreement.
    There is no spoon.

  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men

    "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato

    We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me

    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm
    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    Can't possibly think of a better wrap to this thread. Excellent, excellent find.
    We will see more of this.
    The 'tension' is good for Americans.
    Good for the politcal theatre/dialog.
    ......
    She becomes an 'icon' for the issue.
    That's ok. It deserves attention.

  30. #56
    All the rooms were full.
    Patients were 2 deep in the hallways.
    All gurneys were occupied.
    No seating available in the main waiting room.
    Patient safely escorted to the standby waiting room.



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    I think most shelters are run by private or charitable entities.
    Why don't cities, states, or our grand federal government have shelters? We are supposed to take in more people but cannot care for those already here.
    The city simply makes it illegal to be homeless. Cannot sleep here or stand over there.
    A judge in Key west ruled that the city couldn't enforce vagrancy laws since they didn't have any city owned shelters as an alternative. This led to a homeless "invasion" in 2003 or 2004. Hundreds of them migrated to KW setting up tent cities on all the public beaches. The city finally solved the "problem" they built their own homeless shelter/tent city across the street from the sheriff station/jails.

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