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“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
Here's that verse in context:
Don't you think that Paul's saying that these people with liberty where the Spirit of the Lord is, are exclusively Christians, and not all of humanity?12 Therefore, since we have such hope, we use great boldness of speech— 13 unlike Moses, who put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the end of what was passing away. 14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ. 15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart. 16 Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
To repeat, I said that proper man to man relations are the product of the spiritual brothers under the fatherhood of God. That's what I said.
I did not once say claim that all human beings are spiritual brothers under the fatherhood of God. Some choose otherwise. However, all men have the spiritual nature to receive Grace. And herein lies the problem. S_F, and perhaps you as well if I recall your thought on it over the years, rejects that fact. Predestination is an unbiblical fiction. Jesus did not doe in vain. Predestination is something that some friends use to divide believers in order to pad their own egos and to talk down to other believers as if they're part of some inner circle of worthier-than-though Christian.
Last edited by Natural Citizen; 06-12-2017 at 11:25 AM.
I agree with this. I don't know why you are projecting the notion that I don't. In fact, this is precisely what I was saying. I asked you to not spin my words. Did I not?
My problem, and everyone elses problem as well, is that S_F (as a matter of theological activism) purposefully creates division among Christians. S_F condemns the Christianity of about 99% of the Believers here. S_F thinks he's of the position to verify everyone's Christianity based on his 16th century doctrine that tells him that God predestined him to receive Grace and that he is a tue Christian versus most everyone else here. What an arrogant turd. As if no other man here beyond him has the ability and nature to repent and to know God. What a load of self-righteous horse pucky.
That's the problem. He is a divider. His goal is not peace through religion. His goal is chaos. That man has openly professed that he believes he's in a spiritual war with other professed Christians here. More than once, he's professed that.
Last edited by Natural Citizen; 06-12-2017 at 11:46 AM.
Oh, here you are!
You seem to be missing it in the other thread, so I'll ask you where you are, as well as where you ain't. A self-confessed former atheist running around laying childish sophist traps for Christians to stick their feet into is a great service to the Lord by means of... how, exactly?
That's not at all what I said. You're full of it. In fact, you're claiming precisely the opposite of what I said. Ya weasel. What I said, to repeat, is that a proper man to government relationship is the product of a proper man to man relationship. Which is, itself, the product of the brotherhood of men under the common fatherhood of God.
That means that a proper government to man relationship is one that is based on the primary foundation for moral code. Natural Law. God's Law.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only-begotten Son, that whoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him may be saved.
This is the word of the LORD. And the LORD is bigger than you, boy.
Last edited by Natural Citizen; 06-12-2017 at 12:00 PM.
Yes. That is the Word.16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Another childish, sophist trick designed solely to drag a deep conversation into the shallow water.
The Pharisees who were there that day said He violated their rules regarding the Sabbath. And that is a gospel verse, so it must be true. So, the question becomes, how does it serve the Lord for you to reduce an important discussion to a childish dispute on whether those Pharisees were lying about whether Jesus violated their silly-assed Sabbath rules? Especially when Jesus did not deny it?
Sophist tricks designed to short-circuit meaningful conversation. My, how noble!
Amen, indeed.
Absolutely.
To reiterate..
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
Whoever believes in him is not condemned...whoever does not believe stands condemned already...
To be clear, this indicates that 'whoever" has a choice.
As always, you remove the tenor of scripture from your pablum. You're a deceiver, S_F.
I know that you're a deceiver. And I know that your goal here is to divide believers. And I know that you believe that you're in a special group of worthier-than-though Christians.
But you're not. You do the Devil's work here. You're a Deceiver. You're a Destroyer. You're an Accuser. You're a Mocker. But you are not a Ruler.
Here is a verse that describes man's will in salvation.
You are deceived, and a deceiver, because you don't believe what is in God's Word.Romans 9:16
So then it does not depend on human will or effort but on God who shows mercy.
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