Why?Originally Posted by misterx
Neither side needs to refrain from physical confrontation.
This country needs more fistfights and less kops-n-courts.
The "Just-Us" system is the epitome of big government and calling it to bear is giving creedence to the government most claim to want shrunk...
See the post above this.
Government and her goons are violence personified..............For chickenshits.
Why do you act like this is something that only happens to your king? It's happen to a lot of politicians, Hillary Clinton, George W. Bush, Jeb Bush. None of them cried their first amendment was violated like you and teh Donald are. It will continue to happen as long as free speech is around. Sorry, perhaps the Donald will make laws banning this behavior when he becomes president.
A sense of danger gives birth to fear. And fear is the time-honored cross for the crucifixion of liberty.
I can't imagine why anyone would distrust the word of the super-honest Chicago PD.
Heck, they handled the Communist rioters so well that one of the cops had his head bashed in.
Let me rephrase the original poster's statement. The protesters need to refrain from violence and threatening gestures if they don't want to end up in the hospital.
They feel they are entitled to do those things. When someone, even a 78 year old man, socks them, they complain. We saw some of that on here. They even write books with rules for radicals and dedicate it to lucifer. They've built an entire system on grossly breaking the rules and violating the rights of others, and yet they think they are entitled to it from others.
What I think the original poster meant is they need to refrain from it unless they want the much bigger crowd inside to do the same to them.
To which I add, people need to start defending themselves.
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Technically, it is illegal to protest inside of Trump rallies
I read him quite clearly calling for kops....
If he actually meant what you typed then I have no beef with his opinion...
Mind you now, I have no beef with "protesters" who kick ass either...
This is how cohesive neighborhoods that don't need or want kops-n-courts are formed..
Your road-warrior concept of civilization isn't normal.
Donald Trump > SJW ass-tears
More kops-n-courts.....
From your article:
Hey if its within his rights, go for it. You won't see me complaining. I will take issue with him crying that his civil rights were violated though. He is a crybaby and an authoritarian and when he uses his power to silence his critics, it will only make my point more clear.He has said, however, that he is "going to start pressing charges" against protesters as a way to intimidate them into thinking twice about demonstrating at his rallies.
Based on the change to H.R. 347 in 2012, he may have grounds to press for trespassing charges against any protester who walked into the rally knowing it was a restricted area, according to the ACLU.
A sense of danger gives birth to fear. And fear is the time-honored cross for the crucifixion of liberty.
And that is how this game is played, when what should be a rational discussion turns into one of insults, one upmanship, and caring about what other people think instead of the truth.
It's a big problem in our society, and most people choose the later instead of rational discussion.
fyi - well done.
Question - Which one is better for intellectuals? Serves liberty better?
Probably what I wrote is what most people want to say - they just have been brainwashed into thinking there is no other way.
The spirit is there - it's part of the nature of man and natural rights, but the words aren't, because they've been taught to say other things. (All of which is in the interest of having bigger government).
I wouldn't arrest them if they aren't disrupting the speech. If they want to engage is discourse with Trump supporters before or after there's nothing wrong with that. If they want to be raving lunatics because they think Trump is "racist", then they need to be escorted out. If they are being violent they need to be arrested. If they all agree to keep the cops out of it and fight it out, as tod evans suggests, the protestors need to make sure their medical insurance is in order.
I don't disagree with this. He has a right to have them removed, they can protest outside (that's the usual way campaigns handle that sort of thing.) I never condone physical violence or confrontations, so of course that's out of the question.
My main disagreement with the discussion that began this thread was calling what happened to Trump a "violation of his free speech rights." I'm still disagreeing with that. For one thing, he cancelled the event himself. For another, he got more press out of it than he would have if he had gone through with the event. Finally, it's not like his message isn't getting out all day, every day. So his free speech rights aren't being violated. He just decided it wasn't safe to speak at that venue.
He probably made the right decision. It probably wasn't safe to speak, and he's mostly to blame for that. He speaks of wanting to punch protesters in the face. Does he think those words won't have consequences? I guess he now knows, they do. If he values his future safety (and that of his supporters), he might consider toning down his rhetoric just a bit.
Agreed. Your boy Trump is the master of this.
A sense of danger gives birth to fear. And fear is the time-honored cross for the crucifixion of liberty.
You're not very good at that whole having a coherent point thing are you?
Donald Trump > SJW ass-tears
You guys really are desperate. What does that even mean? So let me make sure I understand you right: People go to a political rally to hear a man speak. They are all standing there peacefully, bothering no one. An organized and well funded mob shows up, destroys property, fires guns into the air, threatens people, attacks them, and you want them to do what exactly?
If you are suggesting from here on in all Trump rally attendees should pack heat and we have a bunch of shoot outs at the OK corral, well fine, but not exactly the route I would suggest....just yet.
Are you having trouble understanding a coherent point thing? Most people here don't have an issue with understanding me.
WoW talk about exaggeration?? Have you seen the videos? Both groups were antagonizing each other and NO where have I read that guns were fired into the air. Trump supporter lies again? No surprise there. Welcome to the forums by the way. Apparently this is Trump Central these days.
A sense of danger gives birth to fear. And fear is the time-honored cross for the crucifixion of liberty.
Notice he doesn't answer, I quit talking to that clown, him and "erowe1", they are either the biggest trolls I've ever met, or the two dumbest people I've ever met, I mean, disagreement is fine, but they would be great anchors at FOX, MSNBC, CNN, you name it. They got straw men, red herrings, demagoguery down perfect.
Really? Most People? Well, I guess understand you, I understand you will never admit you're wrong, so you dodge the issue, twist people's words, and come up with the most absurd "logic" to defend something you know you would never even suggest if it weren't happening to Trump.
I understand you just fine....
And I respect that you're nonviolent and I also respect that I haven't seen you calling for kops to be involved.
As I said earlier, kops are the epitome of violence............For chickenshits.
Let's start by addressing your first non-sequitur:
What the $#@! does the amount of coverage that Donald Trump received as a result of his cancellation of this event have to do with the question of whether or not his right to freedom of speech was violated?
The fact that you would even mention something that is so obviously irrelevant tells me that you are either:
1) A complete idiot.
2) Intentionally saying something that is totally idiotic for the sole purpose of confusing people.
Which is it, you insufferable dingleberry?
Donald Trump > SJW ass-tears
I did have an answer but you are too stupid to read it. Scroll up or put on your glasses or learn to read english.
A sense of danger gives birth to fear. And fear is the time-honored cross for the crucifixion of liberty.
It is the macho "let's go kick some ass" leadership which led to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Do we want another president to expand on those? Lets beat up on those we disagree with? It is childish.
A sense of danger gives birth to fear. And fear is the time-honored cross for the crucifixion of liberty.
I'll answer you when you can have a discussion without name-calling. Until then, you aren't worth it.
No, of course not. But the left has been running around like lunatics for decades while everyone appeases them. They have no idea what's coming down the pike. No clue. All the abuse has created some hardened, unstable individuals on the Trump side. The left should have left sleeping dogs to lie, but we all know the answer to that dysfunction.
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