BREAKING: US Launches Tomahawks Into Syria

[AZJoe]

So Washington fires 59 cruise missiles at a cost of up to $100 million at the Sharat airfield,
and only 23 of those missiles actually strike the airfield. None of the actual functioning aircraft are destroyed (only six non-functioning salvage aircraft). (And oh yes murdering a handful of civilians with missiles that went off target.)
Only minor damage is sustained to the runway, and it is in fact used a day later to carry out airstrikes against Washington's Al Qaeda insurgents.

If Washington thought this was to send a message of its ability to at will implement decisive bullying power and threat by force of might using any false pretext, they completely failed and sent the opposite message. (Shattering the wet dream glories of McCain, Graham and the neocon psychopaths). While it does reveal reckless, impulsive foolishness, it doesn't project the competent bullying menace able to crush any victim at will.
The message Washington's action sent instead is one stupidity, incompetence, inept, amateurish, wasteful, an impotent (not to mention deceitful, backstabbing, untrustworthy, hypocritical, and law breaking). 59 cruise missiles with nothing to show from any military or strategic standpoint beyond completely inconsequential and trivial damage.

[kcchiefs6465]

So Washington fires 59 cruise missiles at a cost of up to $100 million at the Sharat airfield,
and only 23 of those missiles actually strike the airfield. None of the actual functioning aircraft are destroyed (only six non-functioning salvage aircraft). (And oh yes murdering a handful of civilians with missiles that went off target.)
Only minor damage is sustained to the runway, and it is in fact used a day later to carry out airstrikes against Washington's Al Qaeda insurgents.

If Washington thought this was to send a message of its ability to at will implement decisive bullying power and threat by force of might using any false pretext, they completely failed and sent the opposite message. (Shattering the wet dream glories of McCain, Graham and the neocon psychopaths). While it does reveal reckless, impulsive foolishness, it doesn't project the competent bullying menace able to crush any victim at will.
The message Washington's action sent instead is one stupidity, incompetence, inept, amateurish, wasteful, an impotent (not to mention deceitful, backstabbing, untrustworthy, hypocritical, and law breaking). 59 cruise missiles with nothing to show from any military or strategic standpoint beyond completely inconsequential and trivial damage.

This.

[Jan2017]

Tomahawk missile casings being collected in Sharat airbase hangar


World reaction to airstrike on Syria differs from that in US

Many United Nations members, China included, have called for an independent investigation into who the perpetrator was.
But before such an investigation could be carried out, the White House quickly decided by itself that it was the Syrian government army that carried out the attack.

Sacha Llorenti, the Bolivian ambassador to the UN, was among the most outspoken on Friday at the UN emergency meeting.
He held an enlarged photo of Colin Powell, then-US secretary of state, making a case for a war on Iraq in a 2003 presentation at the UN.
Powell's argument was later proven to be based on false evidence.

"I believe it's vital for us to remember what history teaches us, and on this occasion (in 2003), the United States did affirm, they affirmed that
they had all the proof necessary to show that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction but they were never found … never were they found,"
Llorenti told the UN meeting on Friday.

Olof Skoog, Sweden's ambassador to the UN, also said the US missile strike "raises questions of compatibility with international law".
http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2...t_28852227.htm

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

From an isolationist (the term is fine, stop being afraid of it) point of view, this is obviously a bad thing. I don't think too many people on this forum need to be convinced of that.

From a realpolitik perspective, however, it remains to be seen. If there is an invasion of Syria and Assad is ousted, that is bad and it would be clear that Trump has been turned, or was never who he said he was in the first place. If, however, it doesn't escalate too much beyond this and Assad is brought to the table, it may have been Trump's way of throwing the neocons a bone (they certainly seem to be on his side about this), without indulging in their more insane interventionist schemes, the kind that Hillary Clinton would surely be doing had she won the election. Let's hope it's the latter.

[EBounding]

So Washington fires 59 cruise missiles at a cost of up to $100 million at the Sharat airfield,
and only 23 of those missiles actually strike the airfield. None of the actual functioning aircraft are destroyed (only six non-functioning salvage aircraft). (And oh yes murdering a handful of civilians with missiles that went off target.)
Only minor damage is sustained to the runway, and it is in fact used a day later to carry out airstrikes against Washington's Al Qaeda insurgents

Pbbbbbtttt! Maybe you should start thinking like a BIG LEAGUE ALPHA!

[phill4paul]

From an isolationist (the term is fine, stop being afraid of it) point of view, this is obviously a bad thing. I don't think too many people on this forum need to be convinced of that.

From a realpolitik perspective, however, it remains to be seen. If there is an invasion of Syria and Assad is ousted, that is bad and it would be clear that Trump has been turned, or was never who he said he was in the first place. If, however, it doesn't escalate too much beyond this and Assad is brought to the table, it may have been Trump's way of throwing the neocons a bone (they certainly seem to be on his side about this), without indulging in their more insane interventionist schemes, the kind that Hillary Clinton would surely be doing had she won the election. Let's hope it's the latter.

Lol. Still with "hopey" even after the "changey."

[Occam's Banana]

World reaction to airstrike on Syria differs from that in US

They hate us for our freedom ...

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Lol. Still with "hopey" even after the "changey."

What trenchant analysis.

"lollll u sed a word" *scratches ass*

[devil21]

So Washington fires 59 cruise missiles at a cost of up to $100 million at the Sharat airfield,
and only 23 of those missiles actually strike the airfield. None of the actual functioning aircraft are destroyed (only six non-functioning salvage aircraft). (And oh yes murdering a handful of civilians with missiles that went off target.)
Only minor damage is sustained to the runway, and it is in fact used a day later to carry out airstrikes against Washington's Al Qaeda insurgents.

If Washington thought this was to send a message of its ability to at will implement decisive bullying power and threat by force of might using any false pretext, they completely failed and sent the opposite message. (Shattering the wet dream glories of McCain, Graham and the neocon psychopaths). While it does reveal reckless, impulsive foolishness, it doesn't project the competent bullying menace able to crush any victim at will.
The message Washington's action sent instead is one stupidity, incompetence, inept, amateurish, wasteful, an impotent (not to mention deceitful, backstabbing, untrustworthy, hypocritical, and law breaking). 59 cruise missiles with nothing to show from any military or strategic standpoint beyond completely inconsequential and trivial damage.

Trump Inc. does own Raytheon stock. That cool $100m will be worth a few bucks per share in the short term.

[H. E. Panqui]

palelibertarian asserts: "From an isolationist (the term is fine, stop being afraid of it) point of view, this is obviously a bad thing."



...no, it is a crappy word/concept...it implies 'discouragement,' etc...to 'isolate' is to prevent contact, etc..the/?your stinking republicrats should neither encourage or discourage relationships among people...they should not intervene...'non intervention' is a much better/more thoughtful concept...

[phill4paul]

What trenchant analysis.

"lollll u sed a word" *scratches ass*

That's cuck burn you're experiencing. Doctors would recommend some Preparation H.

[AuH20]

I lost two followers for this retweet.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

That's cuck burn you're experiencing. Doctors would recommend some Preparation H.

The analysis continues!

"lolll u got berned" *scratches balls*

[merkelstan]

Why was that post #601 http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6450240 empty here in my browser?

[ChristianAnarchist]

Death and destruction... Have we had enough of goonerment yet??

[merkelstan]

Death and destruction... Have we had enough of goonerment yet??

Maybe you might benefit from studying what effects culture has on quality of government.

[EDiT] To expand a bit: A typical libertarian thinks the only factor in determining state oppression is what degree of economic and social control falls under the purvue of the State. However history shows that the culture and race of the population out of which state actors are drawn, has an effect on the degree of corruption, arbitrary abuse of inhabitants, etc.

[Firestarter]

Let’s see if I understand.

BOMBS TO CREATE FAMINE
When bombs are thrown on civilians by the US army this is not a war crime but an unfortunate accident. When bombs are thrown on food and water supply, this is not a war crime, but this also results in many dead civilians.
In 2016 there were stories about the starvation of Aleppo. I guess that according to the official story - not ISIS is to blame, but Assad’s regime.
In 2016 alone the US army dropped a whopping 26,171 bombs; that’s more than 500 bombs a week (3 bombs every hour): https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...6-obama-legacy
The Russian army has helped to cover Syria with bombs since September 2015.
Of course the state media can always explain that I’m wrong to think that bombing food and water by the US and Russian army and the sanctions against Syria are the main reason for the human catastrophe in Syria: http://www.voanews.com/a/syria-food-...w/3596722.html


WHITE HELMETS/SOHR
There are a total of 2 sources that have accused the Syrian government of the Sarin gas attack: the white helmets and SOHR.
That’s the White Helmets that are financed from the US/UK. Here’s a story on the great “humanitarian” work of the White helmets: http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/09/3...ore-questions/
Then there’s the undisputed Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) of Rami Abdulrahman. Abdulrahman is actually based in London, who hasn’t been in Syria for more than 15 years, and is probably a one man organisation: http://anonhq.com/truth-behind-oft-q...-human-rights/


FALSE FLAG ATTACK
Clearly we have to believe that the White helmets are completely insane; in the following picture we can see White helmets treating some child victims of the Sarin gas. One of them actually touches a child without hand gloves, while in the background we can see somebody without a gas mask. Sarin is highly toxic and leads to immediate health problems for idiots that act like this.
The only conclusion can be that these children weren’t gassed with Sarin: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...ident-question


Former British Ambassador to Syria, Peter Ford, has said that it’s improbable that Assad’s regime or the Russians are behind the chemical attack: https://youtu.be/pS6Oa_aDS6E
Former US representative Ron Paul has also explained that it’s unlikely that this gas attack is the work of the Syrian government.


GAS ATTACK ONE DAY BEFORE INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE
The reported Sarin gas attack of last April 4, was one day before the International conference on Syria in Brussels, Belgium: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mi...-idUSKBN176001
Decide for yourself...
Do we believe that President Assad is a complete imbecile that bombs his own people, one day before this conference?
Or is it more probable that the UK/US arranged a false flag attack, blame it on Assad, to make the most of the conference to condemn Assad?


GAS PIPELINE
According to the following article 2 gas pipelines are planned to go through Syria; either coming from Iran or Qatar.
Supposedly one of these is backed by Russia and the other by the USA: http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-...e280b63a9afb74
Of course in reality only one of these is really planned and the other is a decoy, as both Washington and Russia take their orders from London.


GOLAN HEIGHTS – WATER, OIL, AFEK
The Golan Heights that Israel has taken from Syria since 1981 are “strategically” important; like Israel has admitted (Israel admits this is the reason to keep it occupied).
There is a large amount of water there, while Israel (like Syria) has problems getting enough water: http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-isr...nd-oil/5521207

One of the reasons to discredit Assad’s regime is to squash criticism of the annexation of the Golan Heights by Israel.
There is also a lot of oil in the Golan Heights.

For some years now the company Afek Oil and Gas (a subsidiary of New Jersey-based Genie Energy Ltd.) is exploring the possibilities for oil drilling in the Golan Heights.
Maybe you’ve never of Afek, but some of the investors are well-known. Names on the Strategic Advisory Board (SAB) include: Baron Jacob Rothschild, Dick Cheney, Rupert Murdoch, and James Woolsey: http://www.mintpressnews.com/what-ro...-syria/209542/
The following video is mostly about this connection but also explores some other angles.

[ChristianAnarchist]

Maybe you might benefit from studying what effects culture has on quality of government.

[EDiT] To expand a bit: A typical libertarian thinks the only factor in determining state oppression is what degree of economic and social control falls under the purvue of the State. However history shows that the culture and race of the population out of which state actors are drawn, has an effect on the degree of corruption, arbitrary abuse of inhabitants, etc.

Oh, why yes, thank you! I'll get right on that...

[AZJoe]

[GunnyFreedom]

Lol. Still with "hopey" even after the "changey."

Damnit

[ChristianAnarchist]

Must... spread... rep... around...

[phill4paul]

Must... spread... rep... around...

Covered. Because it is true.

[Constitutional Moderate]

This wasn't a good move. We are supposed to be focusing our efforts on making America great again...not acting like globalists and trying to save the world. If we do not help ourselves first (Islam is a major threat and so is socialist obamacare that needs to be repealed not replaced before socialism is what we have because it spreads...control health care control the people is the first and most important in creating a socialist state), we won't be fit to help anyone else.

We inadvertently helped Isis by striking Syria. Assad and Isis have been at war. We have no proof that Assad even did this to his own people and we made it our business to attack and aid Isis in the process. Even if Assad did this it is nothing compared to the damage Isis has done.

We need to start holding the people serving and protecting our rights (government) accountable. They work for us. Each individual needs to write their Congressman to make them aware that we will not accept any further encroachment on our rights as well as any additional concerns you may have. We the people have not been acting while the Obama administration has rewritten law to make bills pass. We have to wake up and act in a way the system was designed. A Republican form of government is what we are promised in the constitution. The constitution is supreme law of the land.

Benjamin Franklin said when the lady asked him what have you given us on his way out of the constitutional convention. He said a republic ma'am, if you can keep it. A Constitutional republic is what we still have unless we keep letting them strip our rights and it will inevitably turn to democracy based on equality (produces crushing tyranny for those it robs and rules historically and always leads to dictatorship) and destroy our republic, based on individual liberty.

And to the Republic for which our flag stands!

Educate as he says back in 1966 in this factual video. When he is quoting he is not agreeing as he goes on to say the people who parrot those ideas are either ignorant or dishonest. Must watch in its entirety to get what he's saying.

https://youtu.be/ewJyuXSW5nA

[ChristianAnarchist]

This wasn't a good move. We are supposed to be focusing our efforts on making America great again...not acting like globalists and trying to save the world. If we do not help ourselves first (Islam is a major threat and so is socialist obamacare that needs to be repealed not replaced before socialism is what we have because it spreads...control health care control the people is the first and most important in creating a socialist state), we won't be fit to help anyone else.

We inadvertently helped Isis by striking Syria. Assad and Isis have been at war. We have no proof that Assad even did this to his own people and we made it our business to attack and aid Isis in the process. Even if Assad did this it is nothing compared to the damage Isis has done.

We need to start holding the people serving and protecting our rights (government) accountable. They work for us. Each individual needs to write their Congressman to make them aware that we will not accept any further encroachment on our rights as well as any additional concerns you may have. We the people have not been acting while the Obama administration has rewritten law to make bills pass. We have to wake up and act in a way the system was designed. A Republican form of government is what we are promised in the constitution. The constitution is supreme law of the land.

Benjamin Franklin said when the lady asked him what have you given us on his way out of the constitutional convention. He said a republic ma'am, if you can keep it. A Constitutional republic is what we still have unless we keep letting them strip our rights and it will inevitably turn to democracy based on equality (produces crushing tyranny for those it robs and rules historically and always leads to dictatorship) and destroy our republic, based on individual liberty.

And to the Republic for which our flag stands!

Educate as he says back in 1966 in this factual video. When he is quoting he is not agreeing as he goes on to say the people who parrot those ideas are either ignorant or dishonest. Must watch in its entirety to get what he's saying.

https://youtu.be/ewJyuXSW5nA

Write to them to let them know we won't stand for it any more??? And exactly what are we to say we are going to do about it?? Rise up in arms?? Please, they will be knocking on your door before you know it. Tell them we are going to "vote"?? Give me a break... What exactly are "we" going to do when they ignore the letters??

We won't do anything because we have passed the point of action years ago. Not much we can do now but watch it all fall apart and try to minimize the damage to ourselves and families. The "republic" died in the civil war. Most of us were just not aware because of the lies we grew up with.

They are "goons" and those goons gonna keep gooning until they kill what's left of the experiment that was destined to fail. Lets hope that what rises in it's place is not communism or fascism...

[AZJoe]

The Beginning of the End for Washington's Empire:

"last night’s strike represents the beginning of the end for U.S. empire. Although the U.S. has been declining domestically for this entire century, America has still been calling all the shots on the international front. This makes sense in late-stage empire, as the focus of the fat and happy “elite” becomes singularly obsessed with domination and power, while the situation back home festers and rots. ... We now know for certain [Trump's] been manipulated into the imperial mindset, and his recklessness will merely accelerate U.S. decline on the world stage, and in turn, back home. ...

The media is even worse. In what Glenn Greenwald accurately called “one of the sickest things ever to appear on US television,” MSNBC’s Brian Williams gushed about the “beauty” of U.S. cruise missiles. ... This is not the sort of thing you see in a confident, brave, and civilized nation, it’s the sort of stuff you’d expect to see toward the end. It’s the stuff of craven war-mongers, of dishonest cowards, of a totally deranged and very dangerous media. The signs are everywhere ... the American economy deteriorates further. Recall that the current very weak economic “recovery” has been going on for nearly a decade. This cycle is very long in the tooth ... Expect more of all the above as the U.S. empire enters its most devastating phase of collapse."

[tod evans]

The Beginning of the End for Washington's Empire:

"last night’s strike represents the beginning of the end for U.S. empire. Although the U.S. has been declining domestically for this entire century, America has still been calling all the shots on the international front. This makes sense in late-stage empire, as the focus of the fat and happy “elite” becomes singularly obsessed with domination and power, while the situation back home festers and rots. ... We now know for certain [Trump's] been manipulated into the imperial mindset, and his recklessness will merely accelerate U.S. decline on the world stage, and in turn, back home. ...

The media is even worse. In what Glenn Greenwald accurately called “one of the sickest things ever to appear on US television,” MSNBC’s Brian Williams gushed about the “beauty” of U.S. cruise missiles. ... This is not the sort of thing you see in a confident, brave, and civilized nation, it’s the sort of stuff you’d expect to see toward the end. It’s the stuff of craven war-mongers, of dishonest cowards, of a totally deranged and very dangerous media. The signs are everywhere ... the American economy deteriorates further. Recall that the current very weak economic “recovery” has been going on for nearly a decade. This cycle is very long in the tooth ... Expect more of all the above as the U.S. empire enters its most devastating phase of collapse."

4-Stars!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to AZJoe again.

[juleswin]

From an isolationist (the term is fine, stop being afraid of it) point of view, this is obviously a bad thing. I don't think too many people on this forum need to be convinced of that.

From a realpolitik perspective, however, it remains to be seen. If there is an invasion of Syria and Assad is ousted, that is bad and it would be clear that Trump has been turned, or was never who he said he was in the first place. If, however, it doesn't escalate too much beyond this and Assad is brought to the table, it may have been Trump's way of throwing the neocons a bone (they certainly seem to be on his side about this), without indulging in their more insane interventionist schemes, the kind that Hillary Clinton would surely be doing had she won the election. Let's hope it's the latter.

It is unbelievable how someone like you cannot see that Trump already played you. Trump already did the neocons a favor by filling his cabinet and appointees with neocons, he doesn't need to continue doing any favors for the neocons within the first 100 days. Also, how exactly do you think this would work out in the future by him bombing Syria? I mean, its not like they would expect anything less from him next time they pull off another false flag chemical attack seeing as Trump already acted unilaterally without evidence on this one.

Also, how many favors has he done for the sort of people like you who voted for him? and please meaningless executive actions like Obama signing EO to close Guantanamo bay which never actually happened. Has he done anything concrete for the nationalist type voters?

Sorry for you, but there is no hope, there was never any hope once you guys elected the Israeli firster to the White house.

[CPUd]

https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/s...14619261267970

[AuH20]

The Beginning of the End for Washington's Empire:

"last night’s strike represents the beginning of the end for U.S. empire. Although the U.S. has been declining domestically for this entire century, America has still been calling all the shots on the international front. This makes sense in late-stage empire, as the focus of the fat and happy “elite” becomes singularly obsessed with domination and power, while the situation back home festers and rots. ... We now know for certain [Trump's] been manipulated into the imperial mindset, and his recklessness will merely accelerate U.S. decline on the world stage, and in turn, back home. ...

The media is even worse. In what Glenn Greenwald accurately called “one of the sickest things ever to appear on US television,” MSNBC’s Brian Williams gushed about the “beauty” of U.S. cruise missiles. ... This is not the sort of thing you see in a confident, brave, and civilized nation, it’s the sort of stuff you’d expect to see toward the end. It’s the stuff of craven war-mongers, of dishonest cowards, of a totally deranged and very dangerous media. The signs are everywhere ... the American economy deteriorates further. Recall that the current very weak economic “recovery” has been going on for nearly a decade. This cycle is very long in the tooth ... Expect more of all the above as the U.S. empire enters its most devastating phase of collapse."

Sounds like Satanists and not the relatively mild kind that Anton LaVey typified. It's the only remaining answer that logically fits into what we're witnessing. Why go to such absurd lengths and risk the potential karmic fallout? This is a Faustian network built on the concept of irrevocable trust and the abominable acts which accompany this rite of passage.

[Jan2017]

https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/s...14619261267970

Published on Apr 28, 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A9ev44rQFc