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I don't care what kind of horse you think it is.
They want gun control. They want speech control.
You want gun control. You want speech control.
You can explain all you like about how your excuses for being a speech-banning gun grabber are different from their excuses for being speech-banning gun grabbers.
But it makes no difference. You are all still a bunch of speech-banning gun grabbers.
Last edited by Occam's Banana; 08-16-2019 at 05:23 PM.
You can't bring a knife to a gun fight. Right now they are not being honest actors with their agenda, we have to use their power against them. Its what Trump has done all along. While everyone else was getting censored by social media and the mainstream media Trump wasn't because he fights fire with fire.
Also, there is no way of telling if they are "truly" a danger to themselves and others until they actually do something "dangerous" to themselves or others.
That is not to say that there cannot be reasonable "warning signs" of impending disaster - but you may rest assured that any "official" list of "warning signs" that might be used to identify someone who may be about to "go postal" will be gradually (or even not so gradually) expanded to include more and increasingly dubious "warning signs" that are not so reasonable at all.
Last edited by Occam's Banana; 08-16-2019 at 05:38 PM.
How is it a SWAT team can show up at the wrong persons house and kill people and animals? Poor inadequate detective work.
That is worse than a surgeon cutting off the wrong body part.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
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You aren't understanding my point.
It is the person and not the weapon that matters, if you take a weapon away from a dangerous person they will get mad and find another weapon.
If a person is violent and dangerous (you would need to prove that completely) then the person needs to be taken away and not the weapon.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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I don't know. Some problems just don't have solutions.
Bad and/or broken people will do bad and/or broken things.
This is an existential fact of the human condition that those in the utopian "there oughtta be a law!" camp refuse to accept (or even acknowledge).
As the author of an article posted a few days ago by @Anti Federalist says:
As long as we have free speech, gun rights, an aversion to involuntary institutionalization, and a society not yet as neutered as Canada and Europe, we’re gonna have mass shootings. And yes, there will be spikes both real (the March ’98 to May ’99 school shooting wave) and imagined (“Two in one day! It’s statistically impossible!”). As Steve Sailer recently pointed out on Twitter, in the ’60s and ’70s political assassinations seemed to be the new norm in America. Then the spike just tapered off. Sometimes the ebb comes as suddenly as the flow, and if you think you’re in the middle of a flow, it really is best to hold your damn fudge and retain perspective.
That doesn’t mean do nothing. There are all kinds of precautions that can be taken to reduce the carnage caused by mass shootings. But if you’re trying to find “the cause” or “the answer,” you’re wasting your time.
In fact, you might even be approaching the issue from the wrong perspective. You’re searching for the bad things about this country that create mass shooters. Perhaps instead you should be considering the possibility that mass shootings are actually by-products of the good things about the U.S.—gun rights, free speech, and a system that favors individual freedom over public safety when it comes to mental health.
You believe in utopia? Go be a communist. In the real world, no society is perfect and you have to accept the bad with the good. It’s like the song “Pennies From Heaven.” Rain is the price we pay to have flowers, so don’t start building an ark just because we got two cloudbursts in one day. Mass shootings are still rare, and violent crime in general is down across the board in the U.S.
Last edited by Occam's Banana; 08-16-2019 at 06:25 PM.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Yes. As the guy in the article I quoted said:
A stronger "gun culture" is one of those precautions.That doesn’t mean do nothing. There are all kinds of precautions that can be taken to reduce the carnage caused by mass shootings.
It's not a solution, though:
[If] you’re trying to find “the cause” or “the answer,” you’re wasting your time.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
I don't know of any contenders - at least, not any "officially declared" ones. Are there any at all yet? Are there even any serious prospects?
P.S.: Sorry I derailed your thread with the gun-grabber and speech-banner stuff. I just couldn't let that guff pass unchallenged - tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito!!
Last edited by Occam's Banana; 08-16-2019 at 07:12 PM.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
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