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Yeah, they just want to talk. Why? Because they don't yet have their druthers. Assaulting a GOP politician would still land them in prison and a heap of trouble they're not ready for. These aren't hard scrabble working class hooligans. They're not even really revolutionary Marxists. They're over-educated bourgeois kids who are the tip of the spear of neoliberal corporate leftism. They're not throwing their very expensive education away just because they want to punch a politician.
But if they had their druthers, Rand and everyone remotely close to him politically would be dead. In the meantime they'll settle for submission.
NeoReactionary. American High Tory.
The counter-revolution will not be televised.
T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato
We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me
Originally Posted by Philhelm
Anything is possible. But there were cops around. And the whole point of any protest movement is to have cameras. There are violent cowardly rightest (Tim McVeigh anyone?) and violent cowardly leftists. And then there are people who simply want to be heard. They should be heard. I'm certain that Rand Paul was less concerned for his safety then you and other people here opining about it are. I personally know a lot of leftists, my own sons for example, who have protested and who would have love the chance to tell a sitting U.S. senator what they felt about the death of Breona Taylor and other cases of police brutality. You do yourself a disservice but lumping all leftest together in a whole the same way people on the left do themselves a disservice by lumping rightest together as a whole. Get out of the echo chamber long enough to hear the other side.
It's funny but I see right wing radicals "working together" with left wing radicals. In Nashville when the courthouse was vandalized and set on fire the one leading the violent mob was a white neo Nazi. Neo-Nazis have set up fake Twitter accounts to advocate for violence. And we see that Richard Spencer, who used to be a vocal Trump support and seen as extreme right, has all of a sudden jumped ship to team Biden. Get out of the echo chamber. Break out of the bubble. Talk to non-violent people on the other side. There are a lot more of them than you think. And there are a lot more Richard Spencers than you think as well.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
I just thought about something. What you're saying is exactly what people on the left say about Donald Trump not categorically condemning the right in Charlottesville. The "we just want our statues up" crowd was marching right along with the "May the Fuher rest in peace" tiki torch wielding neo Nazi crowd and the KKK. (There was a time when the KKK and the Nazis hated each other. Nazi stands for national socialism after all.) Everybody wants the other side to kick out the bad elements. Meanwhile the bad elements infiltrate both the left and the right. One of the leaders of Charlottesville came from Occupy Wallstreet. And neo-Nazis have instigated BLM violence.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
I am tired of this garbage, if they want a new civil war, I am not sure this generation is ready for causalities.
They are pushing for a war, even if Biden gets elected he will want to but this down as the destabilization and anarchy will have served his political purpose.
Et cognoscetis veritatem et veritas liberabit vos
Thankfully Rand was ok.
"Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."
Calvin Coolidge
This pretty much sums it all up.
You can see the terror in Rand's face as this is happening, despite the fact he has worked harder than pretty much anyone else in both bodies of Congress to restore people's rights and preserve their liberty, including doing more for the supposed causes that BLM is fighting for than BLM themselves.
Why is it Rand continues to be targeted in dangerous situations over the last 3-4 years? Is he really just that unlucky? Gut instinct is telling me no.
In this particular case Rand chose to walk two blocks after being informed by the Secret Service that things were dangerous. (His words on Fox and Friends this morning). Based on that I don't know why he didn't call for a police escort before attempting to walk down the street instead of after he got hemmed up.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
I was going to say that.
Most politicians cower, worrying only about themselves, and seem to treat security like dumb brutes. Rand was concerned about others as all hell was breaking loose. To me, that says more about his character than any flowery rhetoric delivered from the safety of a podium.
Grace under pressure!
Rand Paul 2024!
Last edited by RJB; 08-28-2020 at 08:41 AM.
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Yup. We can still wake people up that already had 1 foot out the door or speak with people that have long been apolitical but have decided enough is enough due to the craziness of the times, but you can't rationalize with mobs like this. It will never happen, it's not supposed to happen by design. My naive former self believed this, and recent events have been more than enough to be a wake up call. Some people just want to watch the world burn and that's all this is about.
These people are not self-aware rational thinkers, they are minions, in some cases literally MKultra'd, for well funded elites that are sending them out as their personal human shields to do their bidding for them so they do not have to have their own blood spilled to enact their doctrines. You cannot have a conversation or talk sense with people that have been twisted into this false state of humanity.
wow...you should see all the comments on the lib sites. completely opposite.
A couple of good points. Why did Rand see it as wise to leave the area on foot with all the possible danger, especially with his wife? I'm not going to say it was for a scene to unfold, but why not just take the limo to your next location
Opposite as in they didn't see Rand in any danger, or opposite as in they were verbally attacking Rand?
Yeah...I'm still trying to figure that one out. Rand said that on the advice of the Secret Service, even though he could have walked from the White House to his hotel, he first took a bus to the Trump hotel which took 45 minutes. Then he said he took and Uber but they couldn't get all the way back because the streets were blocked. So....he decides to walk the last couple of blocks? That just doesn't make sense.A couple of good points. Why did Rand see it as wise to leave the area on foot with all the possible danger, especially with his wife? I'm not going to say it was for a scene to unfold, but why not just take the limo to your next location
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9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
I know some hardcore leftists. Rand is regularly demonized on MSNBC. Communists, socialists, fascists and crony corporatists all know that libertarianism is the true opposite of their philosophy. There would be no BLM riots in the streets if not for the continuous and ongoing conditioning and brainwashing by CNN & MSNBC.
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The streets were blocked so no vehicle could get to the hotel. The last two blocks probably looked safe enough to walk, but that is deceiving. It's like a zombie show. One sees you, and they all come running.
The guy taking video was the first to recognize Rand, and by warning Rand and taking video, probably brought attention to Rand. The mob will gather if they think there is something going on or someone to assault. It doesn't matter who it is, they don't even have to know who it is, they are just looking for someone to assault.
Another major tactical error was staying in one place for so long. That just invites the zombie mobs to gather and grow.
"Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
"Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
"Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
"Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
Proponent of real science.
The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.
That is VERY wrong. You really shouldn't post stuff you don't know about. There were about 80 or so tiki torch $#@!s, they had their own space. There were hundreds of people on the right protesting the statue removal, they were in a different area. The police were protecting the nazi area and told other people not to go down to the nazi rally... the nazi rally was not advertised as such, it was advertised as a "Unite the Right" rally. Most of the statue people were there because they heard about it on the news, anyway.
So no, the statue people did not "march alongside" the nazis, they didn't know nazis were even going to be there.
Trump condemned in no uncertain terms the nazis and white supremacists, he condemned them TOTALLY.
Stop promoting the "fine people" hoax, it is literally the dumbest thing in the entire world. All you have to do is read the transcript.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
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"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
And that's what you don't get. They declared me their enemy. I could care less to be involved with them whatsoever, but they insist, so here we are. War doesn't require both sides to be in agreement for the war to take place. So please, stop implying that we're actively seeking out this confrontation.
Besides it seems much more practical to take down one wing of this bird at a time, and if the left wants to go first, so be it.
I DON'T see the practicality of unnecessarily burdening ourselves with reaching out to a mere handful of sane lefties who for whatever reason are still supporting democrats. The payoff seems incredibly miniscule. And having people come around and chastise us for not being willing to engage in such folly is getting pretty. damn. old.
Last edited by nobody's_hero; 08-28-2020 at 11:04 AM.
T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato
We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me
Originally Posted by Philhelm
The problem is that the right will never fight back en masse. What will happen if Joe Biden wins? The right will grumble and move on until the next election.
The right is like a submissive boyfriend who hates his relationship. He is biding his time waiting for his girlfriend to end it because he can't take confrontation.
My own son is a leftist. I assure you that he doesn't see you as an "enemy." Hell, he doesn't even know you. Living in both worlds at the same time I see a lot of needless fear mongering from both sides. This reminds me of the times my mom and her twin sister (may she rest in peace) didn't get along. What each said about the other mirrored perfectly.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
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