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Thread: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House

  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    From Target Liberty:
    "The key player is retired Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn, who Trump has picked to be his National Security Adviser. … Flynn is a problem for the CIA. In 2014, he was forced out of his position as Defense Intelligence Agency director, no doubt with a push from the CIA. … Now with Flynn's men all over Trump's incoming administration, it is a real problem for the CIA. …

    The CIA is fighting for its life---the only way it knows how by destabilization (well, that is one way they know how to change a regime). The "Russia influencing elections" story was well timed. It will dominate news talk shows this Sunday. It is designed to influence members of the electoral college to flip and not cast their votes for Trump. The electoral college vote takes place on December 19."
    And this from Jason Ditz:
    The CIA’s claims appear to dramatically undercut the rest of the government’s narrative, which includes a White House confirmation that there was no measurable increase in cyber activity around the election, nor any indication Russia had planned any malicious cyber activity for the US election.

    That the allegations are coming out of the CIA at all is noteworthy, as the investigation into the allegations against Russia was carried out by the FBI, and all indications were that they had come up empty. With no evidence, the FBI was unwilling to issue any statements supporting the accusations.

    The CIA offered no real evidence themselves, simply making some references to unnamed people involved in leaking data to WikiLeaks being somewhat close to the Russian government. WikiLeaks denied Russia was the source of the leaks long ago.
    Indeed, that the CIA is not only suddenly involved, but suddenly at the forefront, may well reflect President-elect Trump’s stated policy intentions being far removed from those that the CIA has endorsed, and might be done with an eye toward undermining Trump’s position in those upcoming policy battles.

    At the center of those Trump vs. CIA battles is Syria, as the CIA has for years pushed to move away from the ISIS war and toward imposing regime change in Syria. Trump, by contrast, has said he intends to end the CIA-Saudi program arming the Syrian rebels, and focus on fighting ISIS. Trump was even said to be seeking to coordinate anti-ISIS operations with Russia. …
    http://news.antiwar.com/2016/12/09/c...trump-elected/
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    https://twitter.com/MiriamElder/stat...41158746783745
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

  4. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post

    https://twitter.com/MiriamElder/stat...41158746783745
    fake news^

    even if it weren't fake, wtf with all the hand-wringing? paybacks are a bitch lol
    Last edited by Jamesiv1; 12-10-2016 at 01:19 PM.
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  5. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Looks like the CIA is coming for Trump. I thought it was funny the CIA ran someone for president and tried to claim he was the true conservative running to stop a dictator. They always want to muddy the waters and hoped to siphon the never Trumps in key battleground states. Nevertrumps disappeared when Trump brought out his drain the swamp rhetoric but now that Trump is making the swamp great again I don't think there will be much opposition.

    The scariest part of this whole thing is people still have this rationalization to hate Trump and it even gets pushed onto his isupporterrs and the media cultivated anger during the election season. I am terrified of what people will think is acceptable to do and treat Trump supporters if he ends up destroying our country.
    Ha! Because the perps weapon was unloaded unbeknownst to them, does not mean you forgive them for pulling the trigger.



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  8. #66
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

  9. #67
    Secret CIA Assessment Story About Russia Helping Trump is the ‘Fake News’ You’ve Been Warned About
    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/sec...-warned-about/

    Acting once again as the de facto public propaganda mouthpiece for U.S. intelligence/deep state interests within the U.S. government, The Washington Post reported in a scurrilous piece of yellow journalism yesterday that “the CIA concluded in a secret assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election to help Donald Trump win the presidency, rather than just to undermine confidence in the U.S. electoral system.”

    Make no mistake that this is the ‘Fake News’ the mainstream media has been warning the public about. … “the key claims are based exclusively on the unverified assertions of anonymous officials, who in turn are disseminating their own claims about what the CIA purportedly believes, all based on evidence that remains completely secret.”

    The impetus behind the move is almost certainly to constrain Trump’s anticipated rapprochement with Russia by further tainting public perception of a U.S.-Russia reconciliation by intimating that Trump in some way won the U.S. presidency with the assistance of Russia — a continuation of a common theme of the Clinton campaign. …

    It should be noted that Julian Assange himself said that the information released by WikiLeaks did not come from Russian sources. Many suspect that murdered DNC staffer Seth Rich was potentially behind the leaked information after WikiLeaks offered a reward of $20,000 for information leading to the arrest of Rich’s killer. …

    The deep state bureaucracy is now attempting a last ditch effort to frame Russia in such a way in the American psyche, as to try and make it virtually impossible for Trump to work constructively with Vladimir Putin. …

    This newest piece of neo-Red Scare propaganda, being pushed by the Post, comes on the heels of them just last week publishing a journalistically inept piece of likely state-produced propaganda. …

    When the Washington Post Ran the CIA’s Propaganda Network, which discusses the connections between The Washington Post & Operation Mockingbird – a CIA program to infiltrate journalism began in the 50’s and still in operation today: …

    Last week, the Washington Post published a scurrilous piece by a heretofore obscure technology reporter named Craig Timberg, alleging without the faintest evidence that Russian intelligence was using more than 200 independent news sites to pump out pro-Putin and anti-Clinton propaganda during the election campaign. … Timberg concocted his story based on allegations from a vaporous group called ProporNot, run by nameless individuals of unknown origin … ProporNot’s catalogue of supposed Putin-controlled outlets reeks of the McCarthyite smears of the Red Scare era. The blacklist includes some of the most esteemed alternative news sites on the web …

    at the height of the Cold War the CIA developed it’s very own stable of writers, editors and publishers (swelling to as many as 3000 individuals) that it paid to scribble Agency propaganda under a program called Operation Mockingbird. The disinformation network was supervised by the late Philip Graham, former publisher of Timberg’s very own paper, the Washington Post.

    Craig Timberg’s story, which was about as substantial as anonymous slurs scrawled on a bathroom stall …

    This latest piece by The Washington Post, about a secret CIA assessment, is simply more of the same from the standard bearer of state-sponsored propaganda. …

    The people pulling the strings from behind the scenes are upset that they were unable to control the narrative in the latest election, largely due to the coverage of WikiLeaks and the exposure of U.S. efforts to propagandize the American public into supporting an increased and active effort to utilize U.S. assets in the overthrow of the government of Bashar al-Assad in Syria …

    What you see taking place regarding the ‘Evil Russia’ narrative being perpetuated by the Post is simply the deep state trying to reassert its dominance over U.S. foreign policy for fear that Trump will destroy the sacred cash cow of the military industrial complex – public fear of Russia.

    Make no mistake that there is an information war taking place, and outlets like The Washington Post, as evidenced by the publishing of the PropOrNot article and this latest CIA propaganda piece are operating not as journalistic outlets, but as propagandists for deep state interests. …
    Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/sec...OxVD8wg8wrS.99
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  10. #68

    https://twitter.com/yashar/status/807657210012717058
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

  11. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post

    https://twitter.com/yashar/status/807657210012717058
    If getting along with Russia is the goal, this is one more proof Trump is making all the right moves.
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  12. #70
    Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
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  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    lol

    Clinton and Company be like

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    http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/09/tr...iraq-had-wmds/

    These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. The election ended a long time ago in one of the biggest Electoral College victories in history. It’s now time to move on and ‘Make America Great Again,'” Trump’s transition team said in an unsigned statement.
    BOWLING GREEN, Kentucky – Washington liberals are trying to push through the so-called DREAM Act, which creates an official path to Democrat voter registration for 2 million college-age illegal immigrants.
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  17. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesiv1 View Post
    lol

    Clinton and Company be like
    LOL

    I thought of the progs' anti-Russian hysteria recently when I saw these:



    Except Calvin Webber is nice, and a more sympathetic character.



    Except Kenny Powers is smarter, and a more sympathetic character.
    Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
    --Albert J. Nock

  18. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    LOL!
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  19. #76

    https://twitter.com/WalshFreedom/sta...41582182735873



    https://twitter.com/justinamash/stat...98967664480256
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

  20. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post

    Post like this throws a monkey wrench in a nicely laid out propaganda situation.
    This discussion will never be same again.



    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Don't you understand how it works? The evidence is secret. The conclusions are public. That way you can not fact check trust the conclusions.
    Trust the President and the Media.

    But for the skeptics, an alternate public version has been introduced.

    Public DIY assessment says Media was trying to help Hillary win White House

  21. #78
    And Saudi Arabia and whoever else was not trying to help Hillary Clinton? They gave her a truckload of money, for sure.
    #NashvilleStrong

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  22. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    And Saudi Arabia and whoever else was not trying to help Hillary Clinton? They gave her a truckload of money, for sure.
    This point, albeit much more succinctly, has already been made by @Lucille in post #70.

  23. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    And Saudi Arabia and whoever else was not trying to help Hillary Clinton? They gave her a truckload of money, for sure.
    So it's perfectly okay that Russia has installed a possible brutal dictator because Clinton? Are we really going there again?



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  25. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This point, albeit much more succinctly, has already been made by @Lucille in post #70.
    So multiple branches of government are now working together to lie to the united states public just so they can accuse Russia of an act of war? Are you really calling this a false flag? If this is a false flag then is their intent to stop Trump or start war with Russia?

  26. #82
    Please. "Officials briefed on the matter"? The Washington Post?

    The American public has called the initial fake news bluff, so now they're going all in.
    They confronted me in the day of my calamity, but the Lord was my support.

  27. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    So it's perfectly okay that Russia has installed a possible brutal dictator because Clinton? Are we really going there again?
    Talk about being out in tinfoil hat lalaland. Come back to earth nikcers. It was the US electorate that, despite the best efforts of the MSM and CIA's preference, installed Trump (and in doing so rejected a psycho warmongering corrupt likely brutal dictator Hitalry Clinton.)
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

  28. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    Talk about being out in tinfoil hat lalaland. Come back to earth nikcers. It was the US electorate that, despite the best efforts of the MSM and CIA's preference, installed Trump (and in doing so rejected a psycho warmongering corrupt likely brutal dictator Hitalry Clinton.)
    You Trump supporters have walked everything back from day one. How is Bolton even being considered? You don't even dare defend it because you are a chicken.

  29. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    You Trump supporters have walked everything back from day one. How is Bolton even being considered? You don't even dare defend it because you are a chicken.
    Talk about irrational rantings. Yup, Bolton is horrible. Almost half as bad as Hitlary. (Thank god at least we aren't getting Hitlary's pick of Victoria Nuland). But what in the world has that got to do with nikcers' tinfoil hat theory that Russia installed the US President.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

  30. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    Talk about irrational rantings. Yup, Bolton is horrible. Almost half as bad as Hitlary. (Thank god at least we aren't getting Hitlary's pick of Victoria Nuland). But what in the world has that got to do with nikcers' tinfoil hat theory that Russia installed the US President.
    Bolton is half as bad as Hillary? There isn't a place Bolton doesn't want to bomb.

  31. #87
    If it was the Russians, where do I send my letter of gratitude for ending Hillary?

  32. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Contumacious View Post
    I can understand Russia being concerned about Hillary when she was determined to start WWIII in order to intervene in Syria to defend Isral.


    .
    That's kinda how I'm taking it. If I were Russia I'd have wanted to stop that nuclear-packing witch too. I don't believe this, but even if I did I don't care. My understanding of personal philosophical morality is, if I were in their shoes and would have done the same thing, then I have no business judging them for it or being angry. So. :shrug:



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  34. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    So multiple branches of government are now working together to lie to the united states public just so they can accuse Russia of an act of war? Are you really calling this a false flag? If this is a false flag then is their intent to stop Trump or start war with Russia?
    With all the information available just on this thread, somebody is once again being intentionally willfully ignorant.

    First the CIA "secret" assessment itself was not leaked - only anonymous claims about it which the WaPo ran with.

    Second, the WaPO itself confirms in its Fake News Propaganda Story, there is not evidence that the Kremlin directed any hacking operation, obtaining e-mails that went to Wikileaks, thereby helping Trump and hurting Clinton in the election. Rather they allege it was mysterious hackers "one step" removed. To quote the article:
    “…intelligence agencies do not have specific intelligence showing officials in the Kremlin ‘directing’ the identified individuals to pass the Democratic emails to WikiLeaks, a second senior U.S. official said. Those actors, according to the official, were ‘one step’ removed [which of course includes anyone] from the Russian government, rather than government employees. Moscow has in the past used middlemen to participate in sensitive intelligence operations so it has plausible deniability.”
    In other words, WaPo has no evidence Russia "hacked" the Us elections, but WaPo is going to report it anyway.

    Third, contrary to nikcers claim, its not "multiple branches of government. In fact, so far it is only WaPo making an unverified claim from anonymous source of a "secret" assessment by CIA without evidence.

    Fourth, the WaPo allegations directly contradict White House's confirmation to the opposite. "CIA’s claims appear to dramatically undercut the rest of the government’s narrative, which includes a White House confirmation that there was no measurable increase in cyber activity around the election, nor any indication Russia had planned any malicious cyber activity for the US election."

    Fifth, the WaPo allegation also directly contradict the investigation by the FBI: "
    That the allegations are coming out of the CIA at all is noteworthy, as the investigation into the allegations against Russia was carried out by the FBI, and all indications were that they had come up empty. With no evidence, the FBI was unwilling to issue any statements supporting the accusations.

    The CIA offered no real evidence themselves, simply making some references to unnamed people involved in leaking data to WikiLeaks being somewhat close to the Russian government. WikiLeaks denied Russia was the source of the leaks long ago.

    Indeed, that the CIA is not only suddenly involved, but suddenly at the forefront, may well reflect President-elect Trump’s stated policy intentions being far removed from those that the CIA has endorsed, and might be done with an eye toward undermining Trump’s position in those upcoming policy battles. At the center of those Trump vs. CIA battles is Syria, as the CIA has for years pushed to move away from the ISIS war and toward imposing regime change in Syria. Trump, by contrast, has said he intends to end the CIA-Saudi program arming the Syrian rebels, and focus on fighting ISIS. Trump was even said to be seeking to coordinate anti-ISIS operations with Russia. …" http://news.antiwar.com/2016/12/09/c...trump-elected/

    Sixth, Julian Assange has confirmed that Russia is not the source for Wikileaks emails. In fact, the evidence indicates the now murdered DNC Staffer Seth Rich was the source of the DNC emails to Wikileaks, for which Wikileaks is still offering a cash reward for any information leading to solving the assassination.

    Seventh, it is highly improper for the US intelligence agency to attempt to directly interfere with a US election by directly leaking unsupported global reaching accusations to a news outlet for media hysteria.

    Eighth, not a single bit of evidence has been provided, but hey, reality and facts are no barrier to nikcers. Embrace the lies right.

    Lastly, even if the alleged "secret" CIA assessment were leaked (if it even exists), the CIA with its continuous long record of lies, disinformation, perjury under oath to Congress, history of direct interference in elections and governments, history of direct interference in msm, animosity to any non-interventionist or pro-peace foreign policy, has zero credibility at all.

    More:

    https://www.emptywheel.net/2016/12/10/evidence-prove-russian-hack/

    https://theintercept.com/2016/12/10/...-for-evidence/

    https://www.emptywheel.net/2016/12/0...tube-footnote/

    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/sec...-warned-about/

    http://www.strategic-culture.org/new...erattacks.html

    http://theduran.com/attempted-clinto...-donald-trump/

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-1...ve-ive-heard-z


    Last edited by AZJoe; 12-10-2016 at 10:57 PM.
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  35. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post

    ^^ not a Clinton backer, LOL
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