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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post


    This is only a partisan foodfight, like the Russia investigation, birtherism, or blowjobgate.

    It won't put chickens in pots, un-bomb any civilians, or lower the yield on the 10Y.

    But carry on..
    Emphasis!!! drama!! f*ck off!



    This is soap opera for people who too busy to watch the real ones on TV. Political drama to give the people an illusion that those people in Washington are on different sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Which speaks volumes about the worthlessness of it's contents, DJTvsg isn't the least bit worried about the Russiagate witch hunt.
    "Not the least bit worried" fails to explain all of the actions he, the administration, and the party have taken. People who were "not the least bit worried" would not act in such a way.


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    and hopefully send a few Dems to prison.
    For what crime?
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    This is soap opera for people who too busy to watch the real ones on TV. Political drama to give the people an illusion that those people in Washington are on different sides.
    On some issues there are quantifiable and readily identified differences.

    Some of those issues are ones I care a great deal about: guns, environmental regulations, homeschooling, to name three off the top of my head.

    I'll give credit and support where due and justified.

    Scorn and derision where justified as well.

    So, based on that, I find myself generally in agreement with a "generic" Republican much more often than a "generic" Democrat.

    YMMV

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    This is America, we don't need to charge someone before we can lock them up indefinitely.
    John Doe American Citizen is still nameless and detained in Iraq. Going on 5 months.
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    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    On some issues there are quantifiable and readily identified differences.

    Some of those issues are ones I care a great deal about: guns, environmental regulations, homeschooling, to name three off the top of my head.

    I'll give credit and support where due and justified.

    Scorn and derision where justified as well.

    So, based on that, I find myself generally in agreement with a "generic" Republican much more often than a "generic" Democrat.

    YMMV
    That’s a big part of their scam. The only differences are on the surface to keep the masses nodding their heads in approval to “agendas”. See our current guns, drugs, money, and healthcare laws just to name a few. A few more are war, prison, and land ownership policies. My Police State has been run by (R)s for generations now. The beat marches on.

    Show me something other than mealy mouthed promises and fake votes and I may concede my extremely negative views towards our handlers.

    I almost hold the (R)s with the most disdain. At least the (D)s don’t hide their complete disregard to my individual liberty.
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    Trump's election was a flashpoint for exposing this uniparty deception. Priebus was the one who essentially installed Rod Rosenstein to assistant AG. Once you start asking yourself why Rosenstein is aiding the deep state, then you will have your answers. Foot soldiers for the Clinton and Bush crime families maintain the status quo at all costs. There are no real parties, with a fraction of real Republicans trapped & disabled behind a facade of slogans & a complex web of patronage.
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    The FBI and CIA Failed Coup Against Trump Unravels
    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_s...s-tacitus.html

    Current and former members of the FBI and the Department of Justice who signed off on applications to the

    Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court seem to be facing contempt of court charges.
    Who? James Comey, Andy McCabe, Sally Yates, Dana Boente and Rob Rosenstein.
    The effectively lied to a Federal judge. That is not only stupid but illegal.

    The first FISA warrant was obtained on 21 October 2016
    Hillary Clinton campaign is mentioned in the memo.
    The FBI signers of the FISA applications/renewals were James Comey and Andy McCabe.
    The DOJ signers of the FISA applications/renewals were Sally Yates, Dana Boente and Rod Rosenstein.
    Even after Steele was terminated by the FBI, he remained in contact with Deputy Attorney General Bruce Our,
    whose wife worked for FUSION GPS and was involved with the Steele dossier.


    Brennan and Comey's tweets yesterday decrying the memo implies a larger battle ahead.
    The Dems were claiming that releasing the memo was an attack on law enforcement and US national security. Today they claim the memo is a nothingburger.


    Is there additional evidence that was in the warrant that Nunes didn't mention in his memo because he knew it
    would be really hard for that evidence to be declassified?


    Who were the "intelligence officials" briefing the select members of the House and Senate? That will be one of the next shoes to drop.
    We are likely to learn in the coming days that John Brennan and Jim Clapper were also trying to help the FBI build a fallacious case against Trump.

    The rats will start scrambling in earnest for the lifeboats. The Trump coup has failed.

    The question to me is still who came up with the whole idea of commissioning Steele to write up "Russian dirt"?
    Clapper? Brennan? One of their British friends?

    GPS Fusion had earlier collected opposition research dirt on Trump but only after the Dems started paying for it did they hire Steele.
    Who came up with this idea?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Trump's election was a flashpoint for exposing this uniparty deception.
    ... why Rosenstein is aiding the deep state, then you will have your answers. Foot soldiers for the Clinton and Bush crime families maintain the status quo at all costs.
    Rosenstein and McCabe made similar bad moves about the Uranium One deal to protect Bill and Hillary Clinton -
    I'll call them seditious conspirators against the Government of the US.
    If convicted, they could also lose the possibility to ever work for the United States.
    McCabe can lose his pension, and be a lopper in prison for 57 cents an hour instead.

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    Who's out of touch now? More than ten years ago.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Who's out of touch now? More than ten years ago.

    RP in 2008 campaign . . . We can have intelligence but "We have to have intelligent people interpreting this information".

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    The topic is the memo. The memo says nothing about the contents of the investigation, only its background
    Except that the memo reveals that that the entire underlying basis for the "investigation begun by the FBI and handed off to Mueller, the dossier, was a political creation, funded by political opponents to pay a highly partisan hack to bribe anonymous sources to manufacture invidious rumors about the political opposition, of which none of negative aspersions were confirmed true; that the FBI and DOJ parties were aware the partisan nature of the dossier and its creation and its lack of credibility; that the FBI additionally funded the hack to procure more rumors as part of the early stages of the investigation; that the FISA warrants obtained to spy on political opposition as part of the early investigation were based on the uncredible, politically funded, manufactured dossier; that the FBI and DOJ investigators handling the early stages of the investigation were additionally highly partisan and politically motivated; that FBI investigators themselves did not even believe the accusations.

    So almost everything in the memo says massive heaps about the investigation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Given that this memo is entirely designed to impugn the origins of the investigation without at all casting any doubt as to the material that the investigation has discovered,
    Count still living in delusion land. What "material"? The "investigation" has been going on for two year and has uncovered - nada, zilch, zip, zero, nothing, other than to reveal actual felonious crimes by people in the FBI, DOJ.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    Count still living in delusion land. What "material"? The "investigation" has been going on for two year and has uncovered - nada, zilch, zip, zero, nothing, other than to reveal actual felonious crimes by people in the FBI, DOJ.
    That's because it is a gift that can keep on giving. Why the hell would they want to wrap it up and call it a day? A little leak here, a little leak there, Russia, Russia, Russia!



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    WATERGATE X1000: What The MSM Is Hoping YOU Ignore About FISA MEMO Is More Than Dangerous, It’

    WATERGATE X1000: What The MSM Is Hoping YOU Ignore About FISA MEMO Is More Than Dangerous, It’s TERRIFYING
    by Lucian Wintrich


    The now-infamous memo was FINALLY released today! What we all have been too patiently waiting for. With the release of the memo, we finally have proof that, without a shadow of a doubt, the Clinton machine, powered by the Obama Administration, using the DNC as its main appendage, funded the creation of a false dossier, that they simultaneously leaked to the press and sold to the FBI, and then pressured top government employees to turn that into a FISA warrant, and more broadly into what the MSM refers to as the “Russia Investigation”. Do you remember following each step of the way? When the MSM was telling you that the Clinton investigation would be dismissed, that “Trump/Russia collusion” was what you *really needed to be worried about*? Well – again – with the release of this memo, it proves that the entire narrative was PAID FOR BY THE DNC, OKAYED BY OBAMA, and then FUNNELED TO THE LEFT-CONTROLLED MAINSTREAM MEDIA.

    This is blatant and rampant government corruption and it all points to the Left, it spells out to the American public what many in right-leaning media have been saying for two years now. It is a MAJOR victory, but it’s bittersweet. While many of us in the media, who have read and interacted with these people on a day-to-day basis, knew the elaborate scheme and continued to write about it – seeing the FBI, itself, fully aware of the criminality and attempt to dismiss it alongside leading Democrats and media figures in the past 24-hours, causes immense alarm. Have top branches of our government — that are supposedly nonpartisan, that have access to the information of every US citizen — under 8-years of Obama, truly become this corrupt?

    Hillary Clinton, her campaign, and the DNC manufactured a completely false dossier, which led to the United States government, under the Obama administration, spying on Trump staffers. The DNC paid for the Steele dossier and then used their Obama administration contacts to say that it’s grounds for an investigation. Because the document was unsubstantiated and they needed a second source to justify spying on American citizens, so what did they do? The same people behind the dossier “leaked” the inaccurate and unsubstantiated information to Yahoo! News, which ultimately to lead to the FISA warrant… Which then led to the MSM as a whole reporting on the investigation as valid, all to thwart the presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump. See how that worked? But the scheme didn’t end there…

    The information from the ongoing investigation – that was started from these false espionage “reports” – was THEN illegally (again) leaked to the press in an attempt to steer public opinion toward the impeachment of now elected President Trump. This is supposed to be OUR government, working for all Americans, and we have just seen plain as day that for years it was working purely as an arm of the DNC.

    In hindsight, it’s obvious – as if it wasn’t already – that president Trump was targeted during the election. They were seriously worried and so they took measures to ease their minds. The MSM kept saying that the Right was whining about the surveillance, about the collusion, it was obvious . . . And then the Russia narrative exploded onto the scene and suddenly the entire discussion had been flipped.

    The memo is exactly what all of the voices on the Right were shouting about and reporting on for a year. We were called “conspiracy theorists” and were labeled tinfoil hat-wearing fools by the mainstream media – and yet we were right.

    What the memo did, and what the fallout will expand upon, is expose the FBI, DNC, DOJ, and the MSM for the deceptive, manipulative forces that they are. The mainstream media colluded with the DNC who were colluding with the FBI and CLINTON is at the center of it all.

    These supposedly neutral government agencies acted and functioned as wings and branches of the DNC under the Obama administration and now they’re a deeply entrenched machine that’s proved difficult to break up. Heads need to role and a restructuring of all these departments needs to be seen if any restoration of trust in our government is to happen.

    The MSM, in the aftermath of the memo’s release, complained that it was all a “coordinated distraction” from the “Russia Investigation”. The memo revealed the truth and it has placed the “Russia Investigation” in sunlight – it’s a scam and always was. Everyone who covered this up should be horrified and I’m quite sure they are. Heads undoubtedly will roll.

    What president Obama established is a precedent of abuse that can lead to tyranny. Had Hillary Clinton been elected and then another Democrat after her, the cycle would be complete and the Democrats would have secured a tyrannical, monopolistic control over the nation. This would happen if a conservative wanted to consolidate the power of the government agencies for their own benefit. Our intelligence agencies are being weaponized by the people at the highest rungs of our government.

    A note to MSM Liberals: Imagine that after Donald Trump’s 8 years and your influence in our government fades, a Big Brother Neo-Con like Romney is elected. Romney decides to not only allow the surveillance of your preferred political candidates and their staff, but he allows the surveillance of YOU, as originally normalized and established by Obama. Would you feel safe? By failing to report on this accurately, is this the precedent you want to set?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    Except that the memo reveals that that the entire underlying basis for the "investigation begun by the FBI and handed off to Mueller, the dossier, was a political creation, funded by political opponents to pay a highly partisan hack to bribe anonymous sources to manufacture invidious rumors about the political opposition, of which none of negative aspersions were confirmed true; that the FBI and DOJ parties were aware the partisan nature of the dossier and its creation and its lack of credibility; that the FBI additionally funded the hack to procure more rumors as part of the early stages of the investigation; that the FISA warrants obtained to spy on political opposition as part of the early investigation were based on the uncredible, politically funded, manufactured dossier; that the FBI and DOJ investigators handling the early stages of the investigation were additionally highly partisan and politically motivated; that FBI investigators themselves did not even believe the accusations.

    So almost everything in the memo says massive heaps about the investigation.
    Thank god for people that can actually see what is happening and not be tricked / distracted by the many talking heads or internet trolls !!!

    + Rep

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    FBI/CIA Failed Coup, Publius Summarizes Memo Critical Points

    Based on the memo … current and former members of the FBI and the Department of Justice who signed off on applications to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court will likely face contempt of court charges. … James Comey, Andy McCabe, Sally Yates, Dana Boente and Rob Rosenstein. They effectively lied to a Federal judge. That is not only stupid but illegal. …

    • The Steele Dossier played a critical role in obtaining approval from the FISA court to carry out surveillance of Carter Page …
    • Christopher Steele was getting paid by the DNC and the FBI for the same information.
    • No one at either the FBI nor the DOJ disclosed to the court that the Steele dossier was paid for by an opposition political campaign.
    • The first FISA warrant was obtained on 21 October 2016 based on a story written by Michael Isikoff for Yahoo News based on information he received directly from Christopher Steele--THE FBI DID NOT DISCLOSE IN THE FISA APPLICATION THAT STEELE WAS THE ORIGINAL SOURCE OF THE INFORMATION. ...

    If you go back and read carefully what Isikoff reported in September 2016 it appears that the CIA and the DNI (as well as the FBI) are implicated in spreading the disinformation about Trump and Russia. …

    Who were the "intelligence officials" briefing the select members of the House and Senate? That will be one of the next shoes to drop. We are likely to learn in the coming days that John Brennan and Jim Clapper were also trying to help the FBI build a fallacious case ...

    ------------------

    The FISA Memo also reveals that in order to corroborate the discredited Steele dossier, the FBI “extensively” cited a news article [by Michael Isikoff] from Yahoo that was based entirely on the dossier.
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    While many of us in the media, who have read and interacted with these people on a day-to-day basis, knew the elaborate scheme and continued to write about it – seeing the FBI, itself, fully aware of the criminality and attempt to dismiss it alongside leading Democrats and media figures in the past 24-hours, causes immense alarm. Have top branches of our government — that are supposedly nonpartisan, that have access to the information of every US citizen — under 8-years of Obama, truly become this corrupt?
    No. They were corrupt before Obama. They've been corrupt since their inception. The DNC is/was the current face of the "nonpartisan" deep state. Like the Neoconservative GOP before it, as evidenced by the "conservative" pundits in lock-step with the whiny progs in full damage control mode this morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    Except that the memo reveals that that the entire underlying basis for the "investigation begun by the FBI and handed off to Mueller, the dossier, was a political creation, funded by political opponents to pay a highly partisan hack to bribe anonymous sources to manufacture invidious rumors about the political opposition, of which none of negative aspersions were confirmed true;
    The Benghazi investigations lasted four years. There were more than a half dozen separate inquiries, which cost millions of dollars. They resulted in precisely nothing.

    Welcome to DC. This is exceedingly normal.
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    Read up on Bush with his Stellar Wind violations. This is bipartisan treachery that has been institutionalized for many decades. Neocons and the neoprogs are brothers when you strip it all down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Maybe you shouldn't be so obvious.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Obvious about stirring up trouble with no purpose and promoting policies and narratives that are destructive to the movement and the country.

    Zippy is the only frequent poster who is more ham-handed than you.
    Maybe you should move out of that glass house, or keep those stones in your pocket.

    Partisanship serves only the powerful, and is a bane to the nation and its people. And your promotion of blind partisanship is not exactly subtle. Partisanship is good for one thing, and one thing only--it allows the total megalomaniacs like Richard Nixon and Hillary Clinton to go off the deep end and totally destroy themselves. But far more harm gets done by partisanship, as people compromise their principles, their well-being and their freedoms, and stand for it because 'at least their team won'.

    The troll playing the "bad cop" is supposed to be more ham-handed than the troll playing "good cop". So why are you being as ham-handed as Zippy?
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    We believe our lying eyes...

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    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

  30. #146
    Originally Posted by TheCount
    Given that this memo is entirely designed to impugn the origins of the investigation without at all casting any doubt as to the material that the investigation has discovered,
    The Origins of the investigation..? I think that is the point.. or one of them.

    And what is Law Enforcement's role in Perpetuating and Broadcasting this False story?
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slave Mentality View Post
    Show me something other than mealy mouthed promises and fake votes and I may concede my extremely negative views towards our handlers.
    Guns.

    I'm old enough to remember when there was serious talk and legislation being considered that would have totally banned all handguns at the federal level.

    Sales, possession and use...banned, outright.

    Now there are a dozen states with "constitutional carry", almost every state has some form of handgun carry permit system, SCOTUS has ruled that Second Amendment does mean individual citizens have a right to KABA, local total bans have been struck down, and violent crime is at record low levels.

    Brother, I feel your frustration and anger at the current situation as much as anybody and I share it as well.

    All I'm saying is that there can still be progress made on the political front, and Republicans, for all their backstabbing, stupidity, fecklessness and faults, are where "our" allies naturally are.

    There is a reason Ron was a Republican for almost his entire political career.

    The Democrat party, and their fellow travelers, have truly turned themselves over to a form of Red Soviet Bolshevism that is, frankly, alarming. Rand for example, has been the victim of not one, but two assassination attempts so far.

    I'm far from a "rah rah" straw hat wearing "party faithful" type of guy, but credit where it is due, allies in a dangerous a lonely battlefield and at least some form of common goal is all I am looking for at this point.

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    So funny watching this, in light of the concrete evidence. Corporate media should just close shop.



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    In 1955, a grand jury returned a one-count indictment charging violation of the seditious conspiracy statute 18 U.S.C. Section 2384
    to members of a political organization opposing the authority of the United States.

    All seventeen defendants were members of the National Party of Puerto Rico.

    Pistols were used in an attack by four individuals upon Congressman in which five members of the House of Representatives were wounded,
    the pistols were purchased by the Chicago "junta" and delivered to the New York group, and there were plans uncovered to assassinate Truman at Blair House in Washington, DC.

    The evidence was sufficient to permit a jury to find a single continuous conspiracy operating at least from from September 1950 to 1954, the period covered by the indictment.

    There was a government informer (Sorrell) with "no recollection" of certain discussions that could have been used in a defense
    for at least some of the 17 defendants, as there were four gunman that used force.

    "The judgments of conviction are affirmed" at United States of America v. Lebron, Miranda, et al. 222 F2d 531(Second Circuit) 1955


    There has been organization and force used against members of the GOP - the baseball practice gunman had asked if this was a GOP baseball practice.
    A train carrying GOP members of Congress collides with a truck.

    One point I take from the 1955 conviction of seventeen defendants on a single count of conspiracy is that all seventeen
    did not need to use "force" to be convicted of seditious conspiracy.

    Also, check out the "no recollection" litany of Hillary Rodham Clinton FBI interview . . .

    Hillary Clinton FBI 302 -V2-6
    https://www.scribd.com/document/3228...dium=affiliate

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    Rosenstein looks like a flunky too.


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