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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    If you need plumbing you hire a plumber. If you need security you should hire security. The police shouldn't be the one escorting passengers off of airplanes who haven't posed an actual threat. The police shouldn't be escorting people off of golf courses who haven't posed an actual threat. In my city we are told through commercials over and over again "911 are for life threatening emergencies only." What was the life threatening emergency?



    So let me get this straight. You are okay with the owners calling the cops and with the customers not leaving when asked if they feel they are still within their contract rights to do so? Mind = blown.
    Someone refusing to leave the property is a crime. The golf course owners would be the victims.

    You don't want businesses calling the police? Abolish the police.

    I'd love to live to see the day where rather than calling some group of people who have no vested interest in your property, trespassers are simply manhandled and thrown the $#@! out (injuries to the party being understood as having happened under their own accord).

    Much the way a trespasser in the home would be handled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    I think the real explanation is buried in this article.
    https://www.ydr.com/story/news/local...rse/540439002/



    So, at least one of the women is a politician and she wants to orchestrate some outrage. She has to know who Chronister is, and she's most likely well-aquainted with the democrat state senator (Vincent Hughes) who's pushing for an investigation. Could possibly even have been an intentional set-up. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.9cee28c76365
    They're even trying to tie this in with the Starbucks incident to make it more sensational.
    Fantastic!

    Everything about this story is fantastic. We need two-three of these stories per week, ad infinitum, getting front billing as national news.




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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    They didn't call 911, they called the regular police phone number..
    I'm going by the article:

    On April 21, the women were told by owners and employees of the Grandview Golf Course in York County, Pa., that they were taking too long. The club offered to refund their memberships and then called 911.

    If you have another source please post.

    I think they should have just let them play the rest of their game, then refunded their membership and simply not reserved them any tee times in the future.
    I agree.
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  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    Someone refusing to leave the property is a crime. The golf course owners would be the victims.

    You don't want businesses calling the police? Abolish the police.
    You're saying that as if you believe I think that's a bad idea. (Abolishing the police). That said, good customer relations = not calling the police in a situation like this or a situation like what happened on United Airlines. This isn't some people who came on the property without permission. They stayed after permission was withdrawn. The smartest business decision would simply be to never let them come back.
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    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I'm going by the article


    Yes!

    Do that!

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by H_H View Post


    Yes!

    Do that!
    Oh, my bad. I should just go by facts that you and Dannno make up as you go along. Can I play the "make up your own facts and don't provide a source" game too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    You're saying that as if you believe I think that's a bad idea. (Abolishing the police). That said, good customer relations = not calling the police in a situation like this or a situation like what happened on United Airlines. This isn't some people who came on the property without permission. They stayed after permission was withdrawn. The smartest business decision would simply be to never let them come back.
    We can agree on that.

    In my experience, however, businesses don't just up and call the police on someone who was not being a nuisance and had not already been asked repeatedly to leave (especially on a bunch of middle aged women, who pose no threat to anyone, FFS).

    If you are in an establishment you agree to abide by their rules. If, for instance, a moviegoer was talking, laughing, and taking cellphone calls, would the decision be made to let them continue to affect the experience of other paying customers? They would be asked to leave and if they refused the police may very well be called.

    At what point police are called to escort trespassers off of private property is the determination of the property owner.
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  10. #38
    So it looks to me like the golf club made a misstep in letting an extra person play. Seems to me they should have just eaten their mistake. Did I miss something? And calling the kops on some fat old women? Well, duh.

    Anyway, I've never played no golf, so my only golf story is when my neighbor tried to steal a purebred Doberman of a neighbor they hated. I got along with both neighbors, but felt really bad for that poor dog. We broke in the house of those thieves and stole the dog back. I felt so bad for the dog that I came back months later, went in their house, and took their golf clubs for good measure. I probably could have sold them, but played it safe and threw them away. $#@! them. The funny thing is they always figured that I did it. LOL



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  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post

    In my experience, however, businesses don't just up and call the police on someone who was not being a nuisance and had not already been asked repeatedly to leave (especially on a bunch of middle aged women, who pose no threat to anyone, FFS).
    Right. Here is what the course owner says "“players who have not followed the rules, specifically pace of play, have voluntarily left at our request as our scorecard states. During the second conversation we asked members to leave as per our policy noted on the scorecard, voices escalated, and police were called to ensure an amicable resolution.”

    That matches my view of reality and seems very possible. That seems much more like than these versions:

    ESPN:
    Calling police on black women at golf course is latest example of ‘White Fear Weaponized’

    or The Daily Show host said their crime was golfing while black.

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Oh, my bad. I should just go by facts that you and Dannno make up as you go along. Can I play the "make up your own facts and don't provide a source" game too?
    If you want! I will welcome you!



    Now, will you need me to provide you with a rule book?
    Last edited by H_H; 04-30-2018 at 11:13 AM.



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    If you need plumbing you hire a plumber. If you need security you should hire security. The police shouldn't be the one escorting passengers off of airplanes who haven't posed an actual threat. The police shouldn't be escorting people off of golf courses who haven't posed an actual threat. In my city we are told through commercials over and over again "911 are for life threatening emergencies only." What was the life threatening emergency?



    So let me get this straight. You are okay with the owners calling the cops and with the customers not leaving when asked if they feel they are still within their contract rights to do so? Mind = blown.
    Just went back to correct the many typos made in that post that made it a bit hard to understand. Now that s out of the way.

    The business believed the customers posed a threat to their livelihood and I am OK with the business believing that. Now I am OK with them calling the police as a fair 3rd party to figure out who is in the wrong. The police service is a socialist service we all pay for and that is OK to give them a call when u need protection from a customer.

    So yea, I am also OK with both sides standing their ground until the issue has been settled. I as a customer would not leave until the service I paid for is rendered or my money is refunded(depends on the service)

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Even for pirates?
    With somalian , barbary , berber pirates etc I suggest just shooting them and keep quiet about it . Works for me .
    Do something Danke

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    This should go nicely with the Starbuck's "incident".
    yeah, will probably generate a $hitstorm in a similar vain.

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  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Now I am OK with them calling the police as a fair 3rd party to figure out who is in the wrong.
    If only that were true.
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    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    I think the real explanation is buried in this article.
    https://www.ydr.com/story/news/local...rse/540439002/



    So, at least one of the women is a politician and she wants to orchestrate some outrage. She has to know who Chronister is, and she's most likely well-aquainted with the democrat state senator (Vincent Hughes) who's pushing for an investigation. Could possibly even have been an intentional set-up. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.9cee28c76365
    They're even trying to tie this in with the Starbucks incident to make it more sensational.
    There is an agenda other than playing golf involved, no doubt about that.
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  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    If only that were true.
    Come on, JM. These women were discriminated against. Can't you see that? This was straight-up racism. Admit it.

  20. #47
    If I see 5 women teeing off you can bet your ass I'm not...

    If I see 5 loud women clumped together in one gaggle I'm headed for the next county.

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    If I see 5 women teeing off you can bet your ass I'm not...

    If I see 5 loud women clumped together in one gaggle I'm headed for the next county.
    Shouldn't this advice be in some Poor Richard's Almanac somewhere? So the future generations. You know?



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    If only that were true.
    I didn't see a sarc tag.
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  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    90% of the time, calling the cops enables a business whose duty is to provide a great golfing experience to continue doing that and not get their hands dirty bouncing people off their property. The same way they call the plumber when their pipes are clogged, they call the police when they need security.



    Are you telling me that you always leave whenever a business asks you to leave? That is just weak in my book. I leave depending on the contract I have made with the business. In this case, they have already paid for a service and were in the middle of receiving that service. At that point, you should not leave before your account with them have been cleared or agreed to be cleared.
    That seems to be a general lack of experience and wisdom . Trespass is prosecuted here . I have better things to waste my money on .
    Do something Danke

  25. #51
    If they just didn't allow black women over 35 this wouldn't happen, right?
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  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    If they just didn't allow black women over 35 this wouldn't happen, right?
    As long as there isn't too much chit chat and mulligans and they don't slow up the whole course, why not?
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  27. #53
    BTW, it's true that a little bit of jizz on your golf ball will help your iron shots stick to the green better.
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  28. #54
    Some interesting claims here. I'm not WaPo fan, but the things reported here still sway me to the women's side.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.7dc4ef5a2395

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by buck000 View Post
    Some interesting claims here. I'm not WaPo fan, but the things reported here still sway me to the women's side.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.7dc4ef5a2395
    So they skipped hole 3....


    Chronister then turns toward the camera and tells the women to leave the course in the next five minutes and that the police have been called. The other man in the frame tells Chronister that “this is what she wants. This is what she does for a living.”


    And apparently they knew this was a political stunt.
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    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by buck000 View Post
    Some interesting claims here. I'm not WaPo fan, but the things reported here still sway me to the women's side.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.7dc4ef5a2395
    ...Sandra Thompson, another of the women who is also the president of the York chapter of the NAACP... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.949fedd93c50
    I missed that one. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-state-investi

    So now we know that she's an attorney with law offices in York county, vice chair of the Democratic Party of York County, ran unsuccessfully to be York County judge and she's president of the York chapter of the NAACP.
    Meanwhile, one of the Chronisters affiliated with the golf course (which is owned by his relative) is a former York County Commissioner (Let me guess - could he be a republican?)

    The media has been ensuring us for years that the America is now more racist than ever at anytime in history, because democrats got nothing else to campaign on. Whatever's going on here is purely political.
    Quote Originally Posted by H_H View Post
    Everything about this story is fantastic. We need two-three of these stories per week, ad infinitum, getting front billing as national news.
    This is absolutely what we should expect! It's what democrats consider "campaigning".
    Last edited by Valli6; 05-01-2018 at 11:02 AM.



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I'm going by the article:

    On April 21, the women were told by owners and employees of the Grandview Golf Course in York County, Pa., that they were taking too long. The club offered to refund their memberships and then called 911.

    If you have another source please post.
    The media reported in the Starbucks incident that 911 was called, but another member here said they listened to the recording and it was not 911.

    Not sure if we have the facts here yet, all I know is you should be skeptical if they report that 911 was called.
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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    The media reported in the Starbucks incident that 911 was called, but another member here said they listened to the recording and it was not 911.

    Not sure if we have the facts here yet, all I know is you should be skeptical if they report that 911 was called.
    There are a lot of people who think 911 is the only number for the police, fire, and ambulance. When I was a volunteer FF there were people dialing 911 for information about the guns n hoses softball game.
    ...

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